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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 12:12 PM
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How much do oil companies get in subsidies?
I'm fighting with someone about the subsidies that oil companies get and I'm having trouble finding a solid number on how much they received in 2007. Does anyone know where I can find that number from a reputable source?

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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 12:44 PM
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1. $15-$35 billion?
Edited on Sun Apr-13-08 12:51 PM by ColbertWatcher
Or $2.6 billion from the Washington Post, but that's for 2005.

An article that was on Digg and linked to by several blogs (like http://logicalscience.blogspot.com/2006/11/grudge-match-dems-vs-exxon-fight.html">this one) no longer exists, but it said $11.6 billion.

(EDIT: here is a link to a similar story in the International Herald Tribune, and the New York Times. Also http://media.cleantech.com/node/554">Clean Tech says $15-$35 billion a year)

Then, I found this.

Very interesting site.

And good question.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 03:26 PM
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8. Exxon Mobil = record $40.61 billion profit = CEO Had a $16.7 Million Year
Exxon CEO Had a $16.7 Million Year
As Oil Price Skyrocketed, Firm Had Record Profit And Chief's Pay Soared
By RUSSELL GOLD - April 11, 2008; Page B8 - http://online.wsj.com/public/article/0,,SB120787836194406873-9hkXWaP1KUUE6_4xrzlnmz_w2gM_20090411.html?mod=rss_Whos_News


How much compensation befits the chief executive who delivered the most profitable year ever for a U.S. company?

For the Exxon Mobil Corp. board of directors, the answer was a $16.7 million compensation package for Chairman and CEO Rex Tillerson, up 28.6% from a year earlier.

But the Exxon board didn't increase the amount of restricted stock it awarded Mr. Tillerson. And it stopped reimbursing all top executives for their country-club memberships.

Exxon Mobil, which finds and produces oil and natural gas as well as operates large refining and chemicals businesses, had a very good year. It reported a record $40.61 billion profit ............

...........
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 08:44 PM
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13. Lee Raymond...
Edited on Sun Apr-13-08 08:49 PM by ColbertWatcher
...got $400 million for http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=1841989">retirement.

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Rhansen Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 12:49 PM
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2. 1968-2000
I couldn't find anything more recent that was sourced, this dates from 2000. See page 2 for a summary.
http://www.ncga.com/ethanol/pdfs/EthanolPetroleumIncentives.pdf
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 12:58 PM
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3. It is a little difficult to get an exact number because there
many different types of tax breaks etc. for the different fields they produce. Oil fields are usually not a single unit but a combination of different units that are brought on line over a period of time. Tax breaks may very depending on the ease or difficulty of extracting the oil and what the price of oil was at the time when the field was brought on line. I would say that 2.6B is a very low number because that doesn't include the original "incentives" to drill.
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minavasht Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 03:49 PM
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9. OK, if they don't get these tax breaks
will the price at the pump change?
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 05:39 PM
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10. No. Most of the tax breaks were given when
oil was in the teens and twenties dollar a barrel range. Most oil corps didn't want invest in producing a field, thats why the state and feds gave them breaks. The price of oil is soooo high right now you could probally sell the oil in your car for more then the car itself. Alaska actually took some of the breaks away from the oil companies(raised royalties), thats why we are actually enjoying a budget surplus for the state (one of the few states that can say that).For a Republican Gov. Palin is actually pretty good even though her husband works for BP. The state repugs hate her guts because she actually leads for the people of Alaska and not every extraction company that wants to come here and strip mine our state.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 06:18 PM
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12. The oil they get off our public land is free for their taking. Then they sell it
overseas!
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elizfeelinggreat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 01:05 PM
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4. here's a link
The Best Energy Bill Corporations Could Buy: Summary of Industry Giveaways in the 2005 Energy Bill

OIL & GAS SUBSIDIES: $6 BILLION

from:
http://www.citizen.org/cmep/energy_enviro_nuclear/electricity/energybill/2005/articles.cfm?ID=13980

PS: My answer to your question before I looked for a link was TOO MUCH! ;)
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 01:48 PM
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5. Thanks all. I think I can turn these numbers into a good argument. :)
n/t
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 02:01 PM
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6. That number cannot be found, because it is cloaked by a huge give-away
of mineral rights transferred to BIG OIL.

How much are We the People getting for our oil as it is pumped from our resource base?
Therein lies a real shocker to add to the number you seek.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 02:12 PM
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7. Add to that, are they really paying for what is pumped?
============================
ExxonMobil’s Alabama Paydirt
Scott Horton - Nov 4, 2007 - http://www.harpers.org/archive/2007/11/hbc-90001584

Back in 1904, Ida Tarbell published what ultimately was to be seen as the seminal work of the muckrakers, The History of Standard Oil. It appeared first in nineteen installments in McClure’s Magazine, a rather less successful competitor of Harper’s, and shortly after the last installment appeared, Tarbell published the work in book form as well. In her work, Tarbell exposed the dark underside of corporate deal-making, the series of interlocking directorates and manipulations which had allowed John D. Rockefeller to build the oil leviathan and dominate the American market. Tarbell demonstrated that Rockefeller’s success came not so much from business acumen (though she never contested that he had plenty of that) as through a thorough understanding of how to game the system. John D. Rockefeller was a power unto himself. Politicians around the country were made and broken to suit him.

But Tarbell’s disclosures fueled the drive for antitrust legislation and a fairer and more competitive business environment—a drive which was, in its time, championed by progressive politicians of both parties, but particularly by Theodore Roosevelt. By 1911, Standard Oil was broken into thirty companies.

But over time, like the liquid-metal monster in the “Terminator” series, Standard Oil pulled itself back together again. It was aided in this process by a change in attitudes across the political spectrum, but most particularly it was aided by America’s campaign finance system in which politicians standing for election require increasingly larger sums of money to pursue their campaigns, and support from the corporate till is essential. The final act of rebirth occurred when the two principal surviving pieces of the company, Exxon and Mobil, merged at the close of 1999. The resulting behemoth, ExxonMobil, is the largest publicly traded integrated petroleum and natural gas company in the world. It is also the world’s largest petroleum and natural gas company by revenue, with revenues of $377.6 billion in fiscal year 2006.

The State of Alabama believes that it was victimized by ExxonMobil. According to the state’s complaint launched by the Administration of Governor Don Siegelman, ExxonMobil committed fraud and underpaid the state in a contract dispute over natural gas pumped from Mobile Bay. Alabama won that litigation, and a jury awarded the state a judgment against ExxonMobil of roughly $3.6 billion. Not chump change .....

.........

FROM: Gov. Don Siegelman, the Roughly $3.6 Billion, ExxonMobil, and Pissing Off BIG OIL.
Mar-27-08 - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3070446
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elizfeelinggreat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 05:42 PM
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11. good info there
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:31 PM
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14. 901 in 2007
901 soldiers died in 2007.
4034 have died since the invasion and occupation started.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 11:04 AM
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15. How much business does USG do with oil companies. Jet fuel, rocket fuel, ...
the military fleet, all these things put pressure on oil prices, and transfer big bucks to oil companies from your pockets!
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