Fuck You Lou!!

[Sewsojm]

I hate that lying POS Lou Dobbs, anyone else?

[flyarm]

1. Thank you Lou someone at least is telling the damn truth! eom

[OKthatsIT]

26. I SECOND THAT! THANKS LOU DOBBS!

I can't figure out why Democrats have sucked up to the corporate media psyops on Lou Dobbs. Why have Democrats been so centralized ...so centralized they can't think for themselves.

Just what exactly irks Democrats about Lou? Everytime I get any answers, it's always something that was never said...or worse, it was something they didn't understand.

You can't form an opinion on anything that comes from 5 min soundbytes via Corporate Media News, folks.

I do, however, understand how difficult it is to work hard all week and hardly enough time for anything else in your lives...so I excuse your inability to have all the information. But, you guys really are not getting the real scoop on what's going on with NAFTA, trucking, ports, labor, using 'imminent domain' laws to steal property from citizens, building highways, railways, selling infrastructure..STATE by STATE.

[DJ13]

2. What did he say?

[datadiva]

3. Doesn't matter,

He opens his mouth and the same shit comes out every time.

[SoFlaJet]

4. dirty Mexicans

were the ones who were making Barack and Michelle's Pastor say that shit ;P

[Fridays Child]

5. I almost could have believed that...

...if you hadn't added a winking smiley. Lou Dobbs is brimming with hate and fear.

[moondust]

6. He's on automatic MUTE here. n/t

[zorahopkins]

7. He Is NEVER On Here

I will NOT watch Lou Dobbss.

I NEVER have him on.

N.E.V.E.R.

[BearSquirrel2]

8. We can all pretend ...

We can all pretend that there is a unlimited wellspring of jobs in the United States ... there is not. We can pretend that there is an infinite capacity or absorbing new immigrants ... there is not.

Al Lou does is point out what his happening. He is very matter of factual. And it so happens that the phenomenon he is reporting on is illegal.

BTW, Dobbs is also a dedicated advocate against offshoring blue and white collar jobs to places like China. This is something pretty much everybody can appreciate here as it weakens our national defense and rewards slave drivers overseas.

At the very least, you have to admit that Dobbs is saying things every night that no one else is. He is unique among them all.

[OhioChick]

9. I Agree With You...

Who the hell else out there is talking about the economy day after day?

[hifalutin]

13. I think he is

the least biased on the cable channels.
He does look out for the working joes of this nation.

[War Pigs]

14. exactly. if you think 15 million people are here picking

strawberries, think again. Every fucker that says they're just doing jobs Americans won't do should watch a season of "Dirty Jobs". Regular americans supporting families doing mundane, filthy and dangerous shit on a daily basis(I work in a steel mill). I would make chimpy watch episodes with a good old non-torture waterboarding session in between. They're in every construction trade, manufacturing, and service job imaginable. Jails are full of these people and we don't have a clue who the fuck they are. Yea, modern history has many examples of a 1st World country being invaded by the least educated and criminal element of a 3rd World shithole country and being better for it. NO, that's right there isn't!!! Now STFU. Plus Bill Gates wants unlimited H1B visas for IT companies while IT unemployment is one of the highest of any skilled group. Being attacked at both ends of the job market, how's that workin' for us??

[BearSquirrel2]

15. New York Sanitation ...

New York Sanitation is a union job and it pays really well. There is a VERY long waiting list to get one of these jobs. It is dirty, disgusting back breaking work. But there is a WAITING LIST!!!

The reason American's "don't want" certain sectors of employment is because they pay lousy. We kinda turn a blind eye to seasonal labor, but these jobs used to be filled with youths. Besides, I happen to think that migrant laborers should be paid well for their work given it's sporadic and extraordinary demands. I know that "migrating" computer consultants always made more than those who worked in one spot.

If you stop flooding the labor market, wages will rise and Americans will "want" these jobs again.

Oh yeah, and being a guy out of the programmer field, I think Gates is an asshole for lobbying these H1-B concessions. They told me to go get a computer job as this was the future. Then they sent that job overseas. Society broke it's covenant with me and I'm pissed!!!

[Hippo_Tron]

29. Nobody believes that we can have unlimited immigration

His reporting on the immigration is short sighted and reflects that he has little understanding of the problems that we have beyond our own borders.

[treestar]

33. There is an unlimited wellsrping

How do we manage, with twice as many people as we had in the 19th century?

The economy grows. That is basic to capitalism. In fact, the problem with capitalism is that there has to be growth.

Your arguments were made in the 19th century, and we're still here and still the richest country in the world.

People who come contribute, with their muscles and their brains. Often more than the people who were already here.

We in fact need immigrants, as they are more entrepreneurial types among them. We as a nation seem to have lost that ability and become overly dependent on others to create jobs for us.

[go west young man]

10. Definitely dislike him and wish him all the worst!

He was one of the top cheerleaders in the run up to the Iraq War. Afterward he's used immigration and sending jobs overseas to blanket himself from the disdain he deserves. I'm not fooled. He's a pathetic person who's actions helped start a war that has led to an enormous loss of life. he belongs in the Hague with the rest of em. I'm surprised many at DU want to give him a free pass now that he trumpets immigration.

[go west young man]

11. For those who may doubt.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3001566

[go west young man]

12. Dobbs said this of Iraq war legality and Kofi Annan...

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2828

When U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan said in a September 15 interview that he thought the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq was illegal, CNN's Lou Dobbs was outraged, calling it "another incredible outburst by Kofi Annan" ( 9/16/04). But Dobbs and his CNN reporters neglected to pursue the most important aspect of the story: Was Annan right?

In a BBC interview, Annan said the war was "not in conformity with the Security Council, with the U.N. charter." When asked, "It was illegal?," Annan replied: "Yes, if you wish," adding: "I have indicated it is not in conformity with the U.N. Charter; from our point of view and from the Charter point of view, it was illegal."

This did not sit well with Dobbs, whose September 16 report began: "Outrage and anger today after an astonishing statement about Iraq by U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan. Annan said the United States-led invasion of Iraq was illegal

[goforit]

16. Lou is tooo crazy.....I honestly think he may secretly part of some sex ring.

All power hungry, vein people are.

[proud2BlibKansan]

17. Yes I can't stand him

:puke:

[Rex]

18. I must admit, his hatred for immigrants (and he seems to pick a certain group)

that come here to make 13 cents an hour picking cabbage. A lot of things he says makes sense and is good in the world, but it is all moot when he gets on his Mexican Boarder kick. It shames the nation, honestly but no more than crazy ass Glenn Beck and his hour of hate.

CNN is the new dumping grounds of fringe loonies that can wear a suit and look into a camera.

[napi21]

19. Do YOU ever listen to him, or are you just parroting what you heat

or read? Lou has consistently said he has nothing against IMMIGRANTS! His gripe is with the people who come her, or simply stay here after their visa has expired. Don't you realize that it's really the GREEDY COMPANIES who are causing and promoting the mess we have? I live very near Gainesville Ga. the chicken capital of the world (or at least they claim it is). The jobs there USED to pay a pretty decent wage, the same as meat packers USED TO! Even now $19.00/hr is not bad! I wish my husband made that much! The pay rate for their workers now is $9.00/hr or LESS! Do you know why? Because there is a group of people who will do those nasty jobs for much less money, and endure being abused by their employers because they're happy to be making a lot more than they could in their home country, and they can't complain because if they get caught, they'll be deported!

Don't you understand that all your complaining about Dobbs and the people who complain about the undocumented workers is just HELPING those greedy employers stuff THEIR pockets at YOUR and the workers expense?

Lou is NOT the enemy here!

[TahitiNut]

20. Lou recognizes a system for trafficking in human labor when he sees it.

There's almost no "immigration" involved ... it's about cheap labor. Whether 'illegal' or H1B or 'guest worker' ... the whole system is bent to the purpose of cheap labor.

[Kitty Herder]

24. You're absolutely right about the cheap labor. And flooding the

labor market drives the wages down for everyone.

But when I listen to Lou Dobbs, I can see how he is inflaming racial hatred, whether that is his intention or not.

[TahitiNut]

30. It's not Dobbs doing the "inflaming" imho.

It's the same ol' story we've seen for a century or more. The corporatists have used racist/jingoistic animosities to divide and conquer the working class repeatedly ... and they have a vested interest in keeping such bigotries open wounds in the body politic. My grandparents were "filthy scandahoovians" in the 20s and 30s as they labored harder and longer for less. Minority miners, particularly Hispanic, were used as scabs to target the UMW in the 30s and 40s. "Coolie labor" was imported by the railroad barons in the 19th century. Sharecroppers and farm workers have been under assault by the plantations and corporate farms for more than two centuries. Even more recently, the "Reagan Democrats" (now renominated as "Suburblicans") were intoxicated with deliberate perversions of "equal opportunity" and "affirmative action" and herded to the right. The corporate barons have oppressed workers and pointed to the minority as a blame-shifting ploy for longer than I've been alive. Dobbs is consistent in ascribing the issue to the perversions of sociopathic capitalism - corporatists. He's the only media head that was unrelenting in his condemnation of Enron and the 'energy cabal,' even when it was completely ignored by the corporate media for months and years. (Dobbs and Ted Turner are allied in their sociopolitical ideologies.)

The personal attacks on Dobbs, imho, are predominatly (not 100%) fomented by the corporatists.

[TahitiNut]

31. (PS) It seems clear to me that most DUers don't fully appreciate the threat of "corporatism."

By far, the vast majority of DUers see the SOCIAL ("wedge issues") as the major (or only) basis upon which to rest their advocacy, votes, and choices of political activism. Indeed, few are demonstrably able or willing to extrapolate, step back, and see the forest for the trees, choosing instead to ally themselves with a single species of 'tree' while the corporatist clear-cutters rape our political landscape.

Let me be clearer. Homophobia, sexism, racism, antisemitism ... all are flavors of the objectification of human beings ... regarding human beings as a means to an end rather than an end in themselves. We commoditize human labor and thereby act in allegiance to predatory capitalism - the forces of which exploit our bigotries and fears for personal profit and power - insatiable appetites.

Even more tragic, many on DU seem to be fundamentally ignorant of what "capitalism" itself really means: The private ownership of the means of production. (The potential for abuse arises most when that "private" person is not the person investing labor in the production activity. At that point, it can become privatized feudalism and essentially indistinguishable from the tyranny of historical feudalism.) "Capitalism" isn't at all synonymous with "monetarism." "Capitalism" isn't at all synonymous with "entrepreneurialism." "Capitalism" isn't at all synonymous with "production" per se. "Capitalism" isn't at all synonymous with "trade" or "enterprise" or even "business." Capitalism was an economic movement that argued against state ownership of the means of production, whether that "state" be manifest in a monarchy, theocracy, or other totalitarian system. Simply stated, it was a reaction to the ages-old practices of landed aristocracies, an outgrowth of totalitarian agriculturalism. The history of the human race could be traced in terms of the desire/appetites of some to live off fruits of the labors of others. At the most fundamental level, the very young and the very old have done so. The very young as a result of the necessities if the survival of the species and the very old as a result of self-interest. Indeed, the very question of affording the very old an entitlement to continue to survive on the (excess?) fruits of another's labors has been the very basis of mankind's various and sundry "social welfare" systems. The basic notions of "investment" and "savings" are grounded in that dynamic as well. But I digress.

Human beings work. We work to survive. Some survive to work. And further, some are only permitted to survive in order to work. It is this latter dynamic that's exacerbated by predatory capitalism. The utmost perversions of this have been seen in slavery and Nazi labor camps. Lesser perversions are seen in corporate health care - whether it is health care solely granted as a "benefit" of employment or health care only for those able to aggregate sufficient wealth: capitalists (the "investment class").

Corporatism is akin to militarism. (I've spent time in the bellies of both beasts in my lifetime. I've swum in their digestive juices and been ejected. One could think of me as a turd - roughage - excreted by each.) Both are manifest in authoritarian organization. Too many DUers have neither experience - they've lived in the belly of neither beast. In the military, the "grunts" (boots on the ground) are almost solely driven by a mutual survival alliance. The most fundamental "command and control" approach is to rely upon the strong affiliation reflex in humans seeking to survive. Indeed, it's our social instinct - a sense of "us" pared to a narrow sense of "not them" ... and the exacerbated threat that's vested in "them." It's the politics of scarcity to the extreme. It's virtually identical in corporations, even though superficially less extreme. Employees of a corporation are indoctrinated in a very similar way as trainees are indoctrinated into the military. Such people are encouraged to associate their employment with "survival" and subordinate their very identity to that of the company. Thus, we have "IBMers" and "Xeroxers" and "Enron-ites" and every manifestation of the affiliation knee-jerk. The definition of "right" and "wrong" are perverted to the pretense of a meritocracy which places profit (the Love Of Money) above any independent morality.

Feudalism. It's not just history.

[hifalutin]

21. I seem to recall

he is only anti ILLEGAL, oh and I believe his wife is a Latina.

[Rex]

22. Yes duh.

Enemy? Where did I call him the enemy? Idiot, yes. Did you even read my post?

[galledgoblin]

27. I don't blame the immigrants in those situations,

I blame the corporations and the government for letting them get away with abuse.

the immigrants are victims too, and Dobbs incites anti-immigrant sentiment (laced with outright racism) rather than pointing the finger at the real criminals.

[treestar]

34. Every single night he obsesses on this subject, as if it is an

important issue, or THE most important issue.

It is not. The immigration situation is more or less the same as it has been for the past 30 years. We have un unjustified war going on and a moran in the White House, yet the immigrants are the problem?

[orleans]

23. lou dobbs is an asshole. i think he must have bugs eating away his brain. n/t

[Elidor]

25. Lou is indeed a POS

And gives a platform to racists, all the while crying that he has nothing against minorities. He's a liar, and he's part of the problem.

[better tomorrow]

28. I'm in with you.....

can't stand him. he should have gotten blown out with the tornado when it hit CNN.....

OK, Confession before Easter now.....

[margotb822]

32. I wish my TV had ignore

Then I wouldn't even have to see his name in the guide!