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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:12 AM
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Cheney Could NOT Get Away With These "Brazen Acts Of Lawbreaking" Without Aide Of Reid/Rockefeller
Edited on Tue Feb-12-08 11:20 AM by kpete
Glenn Greenwald

All sorts of Committees were formed, papers written, speeches given, conferences convened, and editorials published to denounce this extreme abuse of presidential power. This was illegality and corruption at the highest level of government, on the grandest scale, and of the most transparent strain.

Tuesday February 12, 2008 07:01 EST
Amnesty Day for Bush and lawbreaking telecoms

The Senate today -- led by Jay Rockefeller, enabled by Harry Reid, and with the active support of at least 12 (and probably more) Democrats, in conjunction with an as-always lockstep GOP caucus -- will vote to legalize warrantless spying on the telephone calls and emails of Americans, and will also provide full retroactive amnesty to lawbreaking telecoms, thus forever putting an end to any efforts to investigate and obtain a judicial ruling regarding the Bush administration's years-long illegal spying programs aimed at Americans. The long, hard efforts by AT&T, Verizon and their all-star, bipartisan cast of lobbyists to grease the wheels of the Senate -- led by former Bush 41 Attorney General William Barr and former Clinton Deputy Attorney General Jamie Gorelick -- are about to pay huge dividends, as such noble efforts invariably do with our political establishment.

What was the outcome of all of that sturm und drang? What were the consequences for the President for having broken the law so deliberately and transparently? Absolutely nothing. To the contrary, the Senate is about to enact a bill which has two simple purposes: (1) to render retroactively legal the President's illegal spying program by legalizing its crux: warrantless eavesdropping on Americans, and (2) to stifle forever the sole remaining avenue for finding out what the Government did and obtaining a judicial ruling as to its legality: namely, the lawsuits brought against the co-conspiring telecoms. In other words, the only steps taken by our political class upon exposure by the NYT of this profound lawbreaking is to endorse it all and then suppress any and all efforts to investigate it and subject it to the rule of law.

To be sure, achieving this took some time. When Bill Frist was running the Senate and Pat Roberts was in charge of the Intelligence Committee, Bush and Cheney couldn't get this done (the same FISA and amnesty bill that the Senate will pass today stalled in the 2006 Senate). They had to wait until the Senate belonged (nominally) to Harry Reid and, more importantly, Jay Rockefeller was installed as Committee Chairman, and then -- and only then -- were they able to push the Senate to bequeath to them and their lawbreaking allies full-scale protection from investigation and immunity from the consequences of their lawbreaking.

That's really the most extraordinary aspect of all of this, if one really thinks about it -- it isn't merely that the Democratic Senate failed to investigate or bring about accountability for the clearest and more brazen acts of lawbreaking in the Bush administration, although that is true. Far beyond that, once in power, they are eagerly and aggressively taking affirmative steps -- extraordinary steps -- to protect Bush officials. While still knowing virtually nothing about what they did, they are acting to legalize Bush's illegal spying programs and put an end to all pending investigations and efforts to uncover what happened.


more at:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/02/12/amnesty_day/index.html
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:19 AM
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1. EXACTLY!
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kirby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:19 AM
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2. and do not forget Pelosi...
Edited on Tue Feb-12-08 11:22 AM by kirby
She had knowledge of this illegal stuff going and she took impeachment off the table...
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:29 AM
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3. Oh nuts. This is our leadership you're condemning. n/t
Edited on Tue Feb-12-08 11:29 AM by Fredda Weinberg
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:30 AM
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4. In this case the condemnations are pretty fair
Reid and Rockefeller have acted disgracefully.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:32 AM
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6. I'm watching the Senate vote today ... sorry, but this dialogue
bears no resemblance to reality. Beware those who condemn our party leadership.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:33 AM
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7. Beware those who condemn our party leadership?
What exactly do you think they are going to do?

Bryant
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:45 AM
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9. You have to excuse Fredda
That's just the way things are in her world. I would bet that Fredda could watch politicians bayoneting puppies and she would find some way to excuse their behavior.

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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:52 AM
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10. The Senate is voting right now to substitute the federal gov't for
the telecom companies. I can support that.
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 12:05 PM
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11. That one went down ... now Feinstein's effort to have the FISA
court examine the telecom's claims. I can support that too.
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 12:18 PM
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14. That one didn't pass either and they're ending debate. n/t
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:35 AM
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8. It's unbelievable and yet we're suppose to blindly support this?
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:31 AM
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5. we are being sold up the river without any paddles.
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 12:16 PM
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12. It is time for Dems to clean House (and the Senate).
:mad:
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 12:18 PM
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13. K&R
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 12:55 PM
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15. When I was stating that we need to let DINOs wither on the vine in 2006
Edited on Tue Feb-12-08 12:56 PM by Zodiak Ironfist
Chairmanships were the main refuting talking point...."but we'll have the chairs of the committees", they cried.

Now we see that the chair being Democrats has actually made it worse than it was under the Republicans.

NOW can we stop supporting all of the goddamned DINOs? Rockefeller, by the way, is one of the pricks that gave us Alito by negotiating our filibuster away with the gang of 14.

So if anyone here thinks that keeping these people around is going to "save the Supreme Court", I have a bridge to sell you. As long as they are around, Bushco and neocons in general will have their way EVERY TIME.

Worship that D at your peril.
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