Regarding the "Chelsea/Pimping" comment.

[Cyrano]

Some liberal radio talkers have been discussing the remark made by some MSNBC talking head who said something to the effect that "The Clinton's have Chelsea out there pimping for them."

The arguments are over whether Chelsea is being called a whore, or if an older generation just doesn't understand the newer meaning of the word "pimp" as in "Pimp My Ride." And then they turn their attention to Hillary for taking offense at the comment.

IMO, they're all missing the point. Regardless of the context of the word "pimp," how many times have we heard that term, or any other derogatory term, other than the word "dumb," applied to Republicans?

It seems that Dems can be called just about any name that will get past the FCC censors. How come it's never widely broadcast that Huckabee is a demented anus for wanting the bible to reflect the Constitution? How come we never hear much about McCain giving the Fuhrer a bear hug? How come even the small liberal media focuses only on issues like "Chelsea/pimping = Chelsea whore?"

We know the Conservative owned MSM will forever and a day spit on any Democrat. But I just can't understand liberal talk show hosts spending one instant on this rancid garbage.

[acmavm]

1. Tell me, how shit would the Obamites be flinging if someone

said that about Michelle or anyone in his family?

Think about it.

[Cyrano]

2. This isn't about Obama or Hillary. It's about our small contingent of

liberal talk show hosts.

Please Go start your war on General Discussion: Primaries

[napi21]

21. THAT'S part of the problem! It WASN'T a talk show host!

If it wouldve been Rush, Boortz, or Hannity, I think most of us would have griped a few times and then considered the source! It was David Schuster...someone who is promoted as a "reporter"! You COULD be partly right about a "new meaning of pimp", but to me and a whole lot of other people, it's a word tahat has no place in TV conversation, much less when talking about the daughter of a Presidential Candidate! Call me what ever you want, but I don't accept all the songs that refer to women as "ho's" or "my Bitches" either!

[Cyrano]

23. My point mentioned nothing about David Schuster. I am

talking about a couple of liberal talk show hosts making it the "issue of the day."

My complaint is that they should just leave it alone to slide into the bottomless pit of radio blather. Rather, it is they who are making an issue of it.

Such crap is to be expected from the Limbaugh's and Coulter's of the world. But one local liberal talk show host down here in Southern Fl actually was defending the comment by saying that a whole generation doesn't understand the "new" meaning of "pimp."

I personally think she's full of crap and should have just left it alone. But I guess when you've got to fill three hours of talk time, anything goes.

And finally, please read a post carefully before replying. I was condemning the remark, not defending it.

[CTyankee]

17. When Obama is elected president, you'll be seeing all kinds of

nasty, vile stuff about Michelle and the girls foaming out of the mouths of Limbaugh et al. Just like the RWingers had toilet paper rolls with Hillary's face on the sheets during the Clinton administration.

Let's start planning our counterattacks now because this is certain to come as long as we have these despicable RW walking creeps out there...

[niyad]

3. you don't understand sexism? NOBODY else's adult children have had

anything said about them for their roles in their MALE parents' campaigns. not obama, not huckabee, not romney, NOBODY.

and I don't CARE what the young people are using that word for--we KNOW what it means, and what is implied when used in "pimping her out"

if you don't understand, I feel sorry for you. would you like that sort of remark made about ANY female of your acquaintance?

[Cyrano]

6. I got it. And I know exactly what they were doing.

My dissapointment is that I've heard it from Dem radio hosts who should know better than to give any more publicity to this kind of crap.

[Lance_Boyle]

29. You didn't hear about Romney pimping his sons, right here

on DU? How about authors going on TV and radio shows pimping their books?

Much ado about nothing. Except to the professionally, terminally offended. :eyes:

[Iris]

4. ok, i know this isn't what you started this thread for, but what does "pimp my ride" actually mean?

I assume it means making something look "better".

[Hekate]

30. Ahhh, there used to be such things as "pimp cars," i.e. cars easily identifiable as ...

... owned by pimps. Pimps. The guys who own/control/take money from/beat up/sell the services of prostitutes/whores/hookers/sex-workers. Those guys.

They used to be known for flashy attire and expensive cars in unusual colors, like pink.

It's a nasty word. I don't care if it's moved into common use thanks to gangsta rappers -- who demean women in their music and speech in many ways. It's still nasty.

Hekate

[Iris]

40. so, it means to make your car look like a "pimp car"?

Not just to fix up a crappy car?


At any rate, I hate the word pimp used as if it's some ordinary adjective. If young people want to use it that way, that's fine, but when I was younger, we used the word "fuck" constantly and I never expected it to turn up in civilized conversation just because we talked like that.

[YankmeCrankme]

44. Thanks

You know I avoided these threads on Shuster's derogatory statement. It seemed that so many didn't even understand the word pimp, especially when they were comparing the usage to the term "pimp my ride".

To pimp your ride is to make your car gaudy and ostentatious, resembling a pimp's car. Maybe today's pimps don't go that route anymore, but it certainly was popular in the 70's.

The fact is to "pimp someone out" means to get someone to earn you money or favor by debasing themselves. Making women have sex for money and giving it to you is what a pimp did. So if you are pimping someone out you are basically making them whore themselves for you.

That's not an acceptable activity and it isn't an acceptable reference to someone unless you are being derogatory to the extreme.

[Hekate]

32. self-delete

[Hekate]

33. self delete--

[Ghost in the Machine]

5. It's the two pronged conservative mindset, as illustrated here....

See? You just need some conservative goggles...

That'll be $125 for my professional analysis, please. You can break it down to (5) $25 payments of you wish, all interest free...

:hi:

[11 Bravo]

7. Classic! I wish this was its own thread just so I could recommend it.

[Hippo_Tron]

13. LMAO... well done

[proud2BlibKansan]

25. Oh that's beautiful!!

[noamnety]

8. "I just can't understand... spending one instant on this ..."

But you have time to come in here to make a stand in SUPPORT of offensive language. Good for you.

[Cyrano]

11. Excuse me, but I don't have a radio show.

Further, I am condemning those who do and are taking one instant to cover this crap. But if I don't criticize them here where it's possible that many DUers may have heard their comments, where would you suggest I register my complaint?

[noamnety]

15. I am sorry you don't have better ways to spend your time today

than defending sexist remarks, instead of fighting against it.

Maybe, just maybe, if you are a guy, you should be quiet and listen when women are telling you what's offensive to them as women, rather than telling them you are in a better position than them to make that determination.

Are you white? Do you tell black people what is or isn't racist, cause they aren't smart enough to recognize it themselves? That's what you are doing here.

[Cyrano]

18. Sigh. How many ways do I have to explain that I too have taken

offense, not only at the remark, but at the radio people who are making a living off of it?

Let me try this one more time. I find the remark offensive. I find those who defend it offensive. I find the radio hosts harping on it offensive.

I remember back in 1993 when The Limbaugh Creature called the then thirteen-year old Chelsea a "dog." It's something I'll never forgive or forget. And I wish I could believe in a special kind of Hell for the likes of him and his ilk.

[noamnety]

27. The problem here

is that you are also taking offense at people speaking out against it. The implication is that we should just shut up and accept it when it happens. "Why do you always have to make a big deal about sexism and racism? Why can't you just let it go?"

We NEED to make a big stink about it, to get the message through the ignorant denseness that is Imus or Matthews or any of the other so-called liberals that this is unacceptable discourse, that it is a form of bigotry.

I don't really understand what your outrage is about. You are offended that people speak out against bigotry, and that they are trying to change our culture by sending the message that we aren't willing to tolerate it or overlook it? You're offended that we are having a discussion about sexism in the media? Or you feel there should be a time limit on it, and if we haven't solved sexism in the media in a 30 second sound bite, we should table the discussion so as not to offend you?

I'm offended that you think you as a man should get to impose a time limit on that discussion.

Time's up, ladies! Women's rights need to go back in the drawer now! It's offending me that we are spending so much time holding liberal men accountable for the sexist things they say!

Eh. I think it's a good thing for the media to get the message loud and clear that any other point they were trying to make is going to be lost and their reputation will be damaged if they resort to sexist/racist slurs. I think it's a good thing Imus was forced out for his comments, and in a very public way, and that he's now known as "the guy who got canned for being a bigot." Maybe it will make other reporters think twice before saying something equally stupid.

I haven't been listening to the radio recently, but if you hear them trying to portray themselves as some kind of victim because Clinton had the nerve to speak out against that sexism, you should call in and tell them they are out of line. They shouldn't be blaming the victim of bigotry for not keeping quiet. That'd be a better use of your time, I think.

[Cyrano]

34. Okay, I surrender. I'm a filthy chauvenist pig that should suffer in

the Rush Limbaugh corner of hell.

However, my last request is that you read what I posted rather than what you read into my post.

[noamnety]

36. I did read your post.

It's a lot of stuff about how liberal talk show hosts should focus more on pointing out the offenses of republicans, right? We all want them to talk about that, sure.

It's the sentiment summed up in your last line that is at issue: "I just can't understand liberal talk show hosts spending one instant on this rancid garbage."

Maybe you could clarify that, because the impression I got from it is you don't want them to spend one second discussing sexism on the left.

[Cyrano]

37. How many times do I have to surrender? Are you not yet satisfied?

Is my existence on this planet so offensive to you that I must be ground into nothingness? Should I fling myself into a cosmic black hole? Must I spend the next decade cleaning your house, shining your shoes, washing your dishes, waxing your car (or bicycle), groveling before you begging for your forgiveness for my lack of sensitivity? Am I the worst male chauvenist pig that has ever existed on the face of the planet?

You win, I lose. I'm a miserable swine, my existence is incomprehensible to you and I will burn in Hell for all of eternity. Farewellllllll.

[noamnety]

38. Chill.

You implied I interpreted your post wrong, reading things into it that weren't there. So I am backing up and asking for a clarification, not a hyperbolic overreaction.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

9. Shuster accused the Clintons of exploiting their daughter.

He may have stuck his foot in his mouth, but that's all he did.

And everybody knows it.

[niyad]

28. no, he said "pimping her out" which is very different.

and, again, WHY is it that none of these people has EVER commented on the adult children of MALE candidates working for their fathers' campaigns"

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

31. No, it's the exact same thing.

Given the context.

"and, again, WHY is it that none of these people has EVER commented on the adult children of MALE candidates working for their fathers' campaigns""

Oh I seem to remember some people upset about Kerry's kids. People certainly criticize Bush's kids.

[niyad]

10. let's try this again. this kind of crap cannot go uncommented upon, it HAS to

be exposed for the filth and garbage that it is. these people really hate the bright lights of awareness.

[Cyrano]

12. Agreed.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

14. Problem

"Regardless of the context of the word "pimp," how many times have we heard that term, or any other derogatory term, other than the word "dumb," applied to Republican"

Pimp is not a derogatory word, period... Ive seen the tech media talk about how Steve jobs is pimping this or that. They are not saying anything bad about Jobs or the product he is pimping pushing.

BTW Olbermann constantly calls republicans pretty bad words does he not count? Has the SEC come down on him?

[Iris]

19. how about if one of your 2 angels gets pimped out by her boyfriend?

Would that be ok? Even if he was just telling his friends what a find little angel she is?

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

24. Depends

Are we talking sold for sex or are we talking doing political stops for mom or dad?

Of course I find the choice of words poor but the word pimp is used *all the time* w/out sexual meaning..

[Fleshdancer]

16. The meaning of the word pimp has never changed in reference to women

Pimping out a woman still implies the woman is a whore. One reality show on fixing up cars won't change that just because it has the word pimp in its title.

[Cyrano]

20. Please read the original post again. Regardless of how the word is

defined, I am condemning it's use in relation to Chelsea.

[Rex]

22. Well that is okay, the M$M is pimping propaganda and consumerism

like unabashed whores. They all belong in the sewer - they should be forced to broadcast from a waste management facility! Naw, on second thought, they would stink up the place.

[blues90]

26. I think it was a cheap and low shot to even put Pimp and

Chelsea in the same sentence . What ever todays slang relates to the freak that made this statement was old enough to know what the long term meaning of pimp is .

I being older would not use the word pimp or say pimp my ride . Who knows what the age group is that watched this freak ?

Why re-invent the english language and use words that have a slang intention to mean something else . On one hand people want to be politically correct on the other they want to change the language , pimp is not a compliment .

What would be the outcome if people said Ted Kennedy was pimping out Caroline Kennedy . It's a male female thing , never heard of a female pimp have you ?

[Cyrano]

35. Damn good point. Well said.

[LanternWaste]

39. Seems to me that when sexism and misogyny rear their ugly heads

Seems to me that when sexism and misogyny rear their ugly heads, it become incumbent upon those with a voice to cry foul as loudly as they can. Seems to me that sexism and misogyny should be called out where ever and whenever by progressives-- regardless of who the target is.

And, I think it will work in this case-- I seriously doubt that any respected "journalists" will make any more "pimping out" comments in the near future.

[ProgressiveFool]

41. The whole thing seems sort of silly to me

It's ridiculous that so much time is spent on how things get taken out of context or deliberately misunderstood, like Bill Clinton's whole "Fairy Tale" thing, and then the media spends hours and hours breathlessly covering such bullshit.

[ProgressiveFool]

42. The whole thing seems sort of silly to me

It's ridiculous that so much time is spent on how things get taken out of context or deliberately misunderstood, like Bill Clinton's whole "Fairy Tale" thing, and then the media spends hours and hours breathlessly covering such bullshit.

[sentelle]

43. I think the word

is getting far more play than it should....

The bottom line is: is Chelsea being asked to do *what ever possible* to pick up delegates, super or otherwise?

Unfortunately, the way it was handled has serious blowback for the Clintons. You cannot just ignore an organ of the news without consequence. There will always be ill-will if these things are handled poorly.

And yes, it was handled poorly.

Clinton seem to have an issue about handling criticism poorly. I remember back in '92 when Bill and Hill went on 60 minutes to deal with Bill's Gennifer Flowers issues, and Hill did her famous (I'm paraphrasing I am not going to be Tammy Wynette, and simply Stand by my man.) During that campaign, she was dismissive of women who were home makers, and I think that it hurt Bill's campaign.

Fast Forward to yesterday's 60 minutes interview and how she's been vetted and yada yada... Yes, she's faced adversity.... and how did she handle it? by pissing off country music fans? homemakers? by acting paranoid with the 'vast right-wing conspiracy' stuff? Granted, it may all be true about what people were pulling, but she handled it, got out of the issues, but made no friends.

And now she wants (or doesn't, we are not sure yet), Shuster fired for using something in the local lexicon? Is that also an over-reaction, designed to win her friends?

Am I sexist when I say that she is not winning herself friends? not by my values. A leader leads fairly, and if s/he leads well, is respected, and yes, liked. Treaties have been signed based on friendship....

Slash and burn policy is simply more of the bush doctrine, regaredless of whose name is on the door.

[cmkramer]

46. Dismissive of homemakers?

Anyone knows the housewife stereotype is "sitting around all day watching soap operas and eating bon bons". Hillary's remark about "baking cookies and having teas" was about the social obligations of being the wife of a government leader. She was saying she chose to do something besides be her husband's official hostess.

No sensible person could interpret what she said as wishing to have Shuster fired. What she was saying was that MSNBC needed to address the misogyny and sexism of their hosts which is infecting the discourse on their shows. Suspending Shuster was just putting a bandaid on the situation.

[IsItJustMe]

45. Simple. The liberal talk show hosts follow the herd (msm), and they therefore always step in sh!t

(demeaning Democrats). It's the same thing we do here at DU. The right wing msm is setting the agenda.