Anarchy vs. Rule of Law

[Truthiness Inspector]

Poll question: Anarchy vs. Rule of Law

If YOU were to be President of the United States, what position would you advocate?

[TheUniverse]

1. Anarchy unless proven otherwise!

That's my philosophy on life.

[Truthiness Inspector]

2. And what does "proven otherwise" consist of?

Or at least imagine what that would mean to you.

[TheUniverse]

22. Not as bad as you think.

My view on government is I believe government should not intrude in our life unless they see a legitimate purpose. Im a liberal libertarian. So Im pro choice, against FCC decency standards or any decency standards in particular, against seat belt laws,against assisted suicide laws, against drug laws, against wars, against a police state, against the prison state, and against "morality laws etc. But at the same time, I see there are points where the government has a legitimate interest such as making sure everyone has healthcare (Im for true universal healthcare, not the bogus universal healthcare the main candidates talk about) and making sure every child gets education, and making sure noone is discriminated against especially when public dollars are involved (ALA government money going to the boyscouts.)

[BoneDaddy]

25. Until someone decides they want to end yours

I love the anarchy people. They do not even get the fact that their "free speech" comes from laws protecting their right to spew nonsense. I am not a law and order advocate as I believe a balance between order and chaos is the goal.

[Greyhound]

27. Right are intrinsic, or inalienable as the DoI put it. They are yours to keep

and only you can surrender them. The problem comes from too few understanding this most basic principle.

[Kutjara]

3. If by "anarchy" you mean chaos...

...then no. If, on the other hand, you mean a system of nonhierarchical government where power is devolved to the most local appropriate level, then absolutely yes.

[bean fidhleir]

10. Isn't it amazing how few people understand that "anarchy" isn't a synonym for "chaos"

It shows how successfully we've all been conditioned to want a boss over us.

[Echo In Light]

11. You got it

[water]

20. Most anarchists want a boss, albiet a more terrifying one...

... the oft-worshiped majority.

[bean fidhleir]

29. Unless you mean something other than what the simple interpretation of your words yields

...I think you must be mistaken. I certainly don't want "the majority" as my boss. Peers, sure. Boss? No.

[water]

30. When you say your "peers" are your boss, how do you (or they) decide which one you must listen to?

A vote?

[bean fidhleir]

36. But I didn't say that! I didn't say I wanted my peers as my boss

I said I wanted the majority as my peers, not my boss. I don't want a boss at all. Bosses give orders; peers reach agreement.

Democracy comes in many flavors (I know you know this, I'm saying it for the record). Decisions in which a majority forces its will on a minority barely smaller than itself are lousy decisions. The best decisions are those that everyone supports because everyone perceives that they're getting as many of their major needs met as anyone else is (i.e., they're not getting stuck with the check).

The more support, the better the decision; the less support, the worse. Good decisions are the product of open-minded discussion, not submission to the arbitrary will of a stronger force.

[TalkingDog]

4. Scrape it all back to the Constitution. (yes, leave the Amendments)

Keep the case law books so precidents can be considered and tell me how it can be worse than the crap we've got now.

My Favorite Master Artist: Karen Parker GhostWoman Studios

[water]

7. No welfare or Social Security, then?

[TalkingDog]

17. If by welfare you mean workfare and if by social security

you mean a stipend that hasn't kept pace with inflation for the past several years to the point of being almost useless, no. No welfare or social security.

The system needs a complete overhaul. It needs to be streamlined and made to work more efficiently for it's constituents. A few years of disruption with stand by measures would be worth it, IMHO.

When you renovate your house life sucks during the packing up, tear out, restructure and unpacking. But it can be done.

But alas, we live with the bureacracy we've got because nobody wants to bite the bullet and lose their cushy govt. job by being "the bad guy" (or their hands are too deep in the easy to reach cookie jar).


My Favorite Master Artist: Karen Parker GhostWoman Studios

[water]

18. Regardless, you want to get rid of those institutions?

[TalkingDog]

24. Do you stop feeding your kids when you renovate your house?

Do you stop taking care of granny?

No, you make stop gap measures until you can get the renovations completed. Then, since you've been able to plan for her accommodation, granny will much better off after a little bit of inconvenience.

Take it back to the framework and build a better house. This 230 years of cobbling together bits and pieces isn't working anymore.



My Favorite Master Artist: Karen Parker GhostWoman Studios

[water]

31. You were the one who wanted to strip the government of all non-constitutional powers!

That would include Social Security, which FDR pushed through by threatening to pack the Supreme Court.

[TalkingDog]

33. If you read my first post, you'll see that I'm suggesting we make it work better

for it's constituents. Perhaps surprising to you, but that does include the sick, weak, out-of-work, underage and infirm. Better means to improve, not deprive. (in case you were unclear on the concept)

If it's broke fix it, even if it means throwing it out and starting from scratch. No sacred cows.

Does that mean I think we should stop taking care of people? If you've made that assumption, re-read my subject line.

And on the flip side, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. But I challenge anyone on the entire InterTubes to show me a governmental system in this country that couldn't use some tuning up or re-vamping. (without greedy pork fingered politic ans grubbing around and mucking it up)

Since I'm tired of your obstinately narrow reading of my posts, I'll not be answering further (and repeating myself ad nauseum) so I'll graciously let you have the last word.

Go for it.




My Favorite Master Artist: Karen Parker GhostWoman Studios

[water]

35. Your first post purely said "scrape it all back to the constitution"...

...and I was purely responding to that. :)

[messiah]

5. Social Libertarianisn

Death or life in prison for anyone who tries to take freedom away.
2 year presidential term limits.
Government program heads are voted in along with the vice president.
Decrease military budget by 95%.
Teach children to be individuals and not servants.
Half hour mandatory meditation for k-6 students.

blah blah blah......................

[water]

19. What if you don't meditate?

[joshcryer]

6. How can an anarchist vote to be President? :)

[Squatch]

14. And how can a President advocate anarchy?

A President, who serves by virtue of the rule of law, would be nullifying his own position by advocating anarchy.

[TheWatcher]

8. Definitely Anarchy

Just to irritate you.

[JackRiddler]

9. Spiderman: Threat or Menace?

Election: Cholera or Plague?

The Future: 1984 or Mad Max?

Maybe you need to stretch your categories here.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

12. I'll stick with Mark Twain's sentiments about the presidency.

"History has tried to teach us that we can't have good government under politicians. Now, to go and stick one at the very head of government couldn’t be wise." - Mark Twain

[shadowknows69]

13. Other: We have rule of law in this country?

Only for the proles

[Greyhound]

28. Rule of law is the goal never reached, the ideal. n/t

[Deja Q]

15. Define "anarchy".

So far, I can find nothing to justify it.

[annabanana]

16. this is a very weird poll. . . .n/t

[Bright Eyes]

21. How about going back to the days where President followed the law

And corporations didn't run wild, instead of no laws at all.

If anyone thinks Anarchy could work in a modern society, I have some beautiful land in the Everglades to sell you.

[harun]

23. Other: President doesn't make laws, congress does (n/t)

[althecat]

26. The laws should be constantly improved and a great deal of improvement is needed...

Other

[NashVegas]

32. The Trouble With Anarchy

Is that in order for it to be successful, it's crucial that all of the practitioners within a community have the same basic moral code.

If one breaks the code, it becomes necessary for everyone to strictly adhere to the stated policies for dealing with the offense.

As with every other system, eventually there will be a breakdown and the system will become deluged.

[Jed Dilligan]

34. Anarchy!

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