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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 08:54 AM
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No More Investigations Please
In a December 31, 2007, editorial, the New York Times faulted the current president and vice president of the United States for kidnapping innocent people, denying justice to prisoners, torturing, murdering, circumventing U.S. and international law, spying in violation of the Fourth Amendment, and basing their actions on "imperial fantasies."

Bush's and Cheney's crimes stand open on the table before us. Their lies about Iraqi ties to al Qaeda are on videotape and in writing, and they continue to make them to this day. Their claims about Iraqi weapons have been shown in every detail to have been, not mistakes, but lies. Their threats to and lies about Iran are on videotape. Bush being warned about Katrina and claiming he was not are on videotape. Bush lying about illegal spying and later confessing to it are on videotape. A federal court has ruled that spying to be a felony. The Supreme Court has ruled Bush and Cheney's system of detentions unconstitutional. Torture, openly advocated for by Bush and Cheney and their staffs, is documented by victims, witnesses, and public photographs. Torture was always illegal and has been repeatedly recriminalized under Bush and Cheney. Bush has reversed laws with signing statements. Those statements are posted on the White House website, and a GAO report found that with 30 percent of Bush's signing statements in which he announces his right to break laws, he has in fact proceeded to break those laws. For these and many other offenses, no investigation is needed because no better evidence is even conceivable. And rather than taking three months, the impeachment of Cheney or Bush could be completed in a day.

But the investigations that Congress has pursued at its glacial pace over the past 12 months, while thousands upon thousands died, have produced another impeachable offense, the refusal to comply with subpoenas. That is what President Richard Nixon did; and his refusal to comply with subpoenas constituted the offense cited in one of the three Articles of Impeachment approved by the House Judiciary Committee on July 27, 1974 as warranting "impeachment and trial, and removal from office."

Bush and Cheney are claiming executive privilege. Nixon also tried that one. It didn't work then; and it won't work now. Condoleezza Rice is claiming, with more frankness, that she's just not inclined to comply. Even Nancy Pelosi ought to understand by now that the removal of the threat of impeachment is what empowers the White House to ignore subpoenas, and that the threat of impeaching the White House for its stonewalling would break down the wall even before we reached impeachment.

And Bush and Cheney have gone further by announcing on July 19, 2007, that the Justice Department will not enforce any contempt of Congress proceedings. So, that alternative to impeachment would be out even if Pelosi were willing to allow a vote on it.

There are well-intentioned impeachment advocates who want to hold yet more hearings without the I word, with the idea that then the public will demand impeachment (as if the public hasn't already demanded impeachment).

These people are largely oblivious to the fact that the Congress has held dozens of hearings on impeachable offenses over the past 12 months. Holding more will do nothing but eat up the clock. Most of the ones they've already done didn't even make it onto C-Span. Most invited witnesses refused to show. Most subpoenaed witnesses refused to show. Most of the significant witnesses who have shown up have either refused to answer questions or have arrogantly asserted unconstitutional power knowing Congress would not do anything about it.

There is zero chance of new information making impeachment happen. That claim has been made over and over again as we've learned of war lies, spying, detentions, torture, murder, gang rape, political firings, signing statements, refusals to comply with subpoenas, destruction of tapes, commuting of sentences, etc.

The only thing likely to put hearings on TV or to compel witnesses to appear is to make the hearings impeachment hearings. I wish this were not the case, but it is. Congressman Jerrold Nadler held hearings on "The Constitution in Crisis" last summer. Did you know that?

My brothers and sisters, you can't crawl out from under a rock at this late date, go to one meeting, hear about good intentions to find a compromise and have confidence you're not being played. At least I wouldn't if I were you.

What will help make contempt or moderately interesting hearings happen will be unrelenting public pressure for impeachment.

Yes, we need good cops as well as bad cops in this effort. We have to talk with the committee members. But we don't have to believe every word they say or fail to do minimal research.

Contempt votes don't happen without Pelosi, and the Justice Department has already said it will not enforce anyway.

What can happen is impeachment, but the enemy is the clock. We don't have time to waste on the same things we've wasted the past few years on. I'm honestly sorry about that. It's not my fault.

If you want impeachment, insist on impeachment, and do it now.

Robert Wexler is pushing forward within the Judiciary Committee. Ask your representative to sign his letter to Conyers.

Dennis Kucinich will introduce Bush Articles of Impeachment on Monday. Ask your representative to co-sponsor, and ask the media to wake up!
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caseycoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 08:57 AM
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1. K&R n/t
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 09:02 AM
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2. Recommended
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countryjake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 09:12 AM
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3. Only ones who need investigating now are the ones blocking impeachment...
all the evidence necessary is there, what exactly are the motives of those who stand in the way of justice, both for our country and the people of Iraq?

I already know where my rep stands on this, he's had the mothers of dead soldiers arrested at his office, merely for trying to read the names of those who've sacrificed for this illegal invasion and occupation. He is complicit in his support of the criminals-in-charge and will no longer hold any office, just as soon as his time is up, if we who he pretends to represent have our way.

Letters to the papers are in order, this weekend.

Thanks for your post!
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 09:15 AM
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4. Thank you for your post.
Only ones who need investigating now are the ones blocking impeachment. :applause:
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 09:20 AM
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5. And whether we have enough votes or not
it should be done so every representative of ours has to take a stand for or against a lawless executive branch.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 09:23 AM
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6. vestigations conducting vestigations .... vestigations this is how we play.
I forget the name of the tune.
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 09:48 AM
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7. Accessory after the fact
Edited on Sat Jan-26-08 09:49 AM by Phred42
Many in DC should be thinking about this.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/donors/solicit.php?http_referer=/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00000003----000-.html

TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 1 >

Accessory after the fact

Whoever, knowing that an offense against the United States has been committed, receives, relieves, comforts or assists the offender in order to hinder or prevent his apprehension, trial or punishment, is an accessory after the fact.

Except as otherwise expressly provided by any Act of Congress, an accessory after the fact shall be imprisoned not more than one-half the maximum term of imprisonment or (notwithstanding section 3571) fined not more than one-half the maximum fine prescribed for the punishment of the principal, or both; or if the principal is punishable by life imprisonment or death, the accessory shall be imprisoned not more than 15 years.
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warren pease Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 09:20 PM
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14. And not just for refusal to impeach...
Remember the dogs and ponies they trotted out in 2002 for Pelosi, Harman and a few others showing Army MPs and CIA interrogators practicing torture? That was a genius move.

When she didn't immediately go public, and describe and condemn what she had seen, she became complicit in BushCo's gross violations of the Eighth Amendment ban on cruel and unusual punishment, which made her an accessory after the fact to war crimes.

By her ongoing silence, Pelosi's also tacitly condoning the US' daily violations of worldwide bans on torture, a breach of Article VI of the Constitution that requires the US to comply with international treaties to which it's a signatory.

And if she has any vestiges of dignity left, she's also failed to uphold her oath of office to support and defend the Constitution which, at the very least, robs her of any personal honor or credibility and turns any attempts she might make to claim the moral high ground into laughable hypocrisy and pure horseshit.

All the above puts her right in the administration's deepest pocket and completely eliminates her as a political threat. Of course, she did a fine job of that on her own last year by unilaterally disarming -- removing the silver bullet of impeachment from the armory -- before she even took office. Other than that, she's doing a fine, fine job as speaker. Quite the little leader, and so very polished for a rank amateur and total incompetent.

This November, I'd love to see Pelosi looking shocked and disoriented, but perfectly coiffed and made up and botoxed into impassivity, as she gives her concession speech while the Sheehan camp howls like coyotes and parties into the early morning hours.


wp
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 11:38 AM
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8. K&R
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pberq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 12:09 PM
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9. "make the hearings impeachment hearings."
Amen to that.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:21 PM
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10. It is clear to me that Pelosi, Reid, Feinstein, and Shumer and the bush democrats are part and
Edited on Sat Jan-26-08 01:24 PM by ooglymoogly
parcel of the enabling of the ongoing and obvious treason against the people of this country.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 02:55 PM
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11. Congressman Waxman, a REAL investigation would be to put Sibel Edmonds on the stand!
Too bad you are NEGLIGENT about following your duties in that case.

But focusing on other investigations helps wind down the clock here as Dave suggests, where getting Edmonds testimony would likely accelerate the demands for impeachments! So good job for your cabal! BAD job for Americans and this country's future!
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 08:04 PM
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12. k&r
We keep asking. We keep getting ignored. Won't stop me from asking again. Won't make the leadership do anything, either.

-Laelth
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frog92969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 09:06 PM
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13. Arrest, Convict, and Sentence Appropriately!
That goes for all the COMPLICIT Congress critters who haven't cosigned H.Res.333 as well!

What is the sentence for TREASON ?
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:01 PM
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15. IMPEACH!
:kick:
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il_lilac Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:41 PM
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16. impeachment hearings now! nt
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:27 AM
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17. Is there anyone who is not corrupt to some degree or other
in a power position - anywhere in the world?

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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:05 AM
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18. Time To Stop Being "Anti-War" And Start Being "Pro-Impeachment"
No, you can't ride two horses with the same behind.

Because if you're not pro-impeachment first and foremost, you are impotent at being "anti-war."

Just like this crowd of DC Dem "leaders" are impotent at everything -- save impeachment.
  • Impotent to legislate anything but what the "Unitary" (Rule By Signing Statement) regime allows.

  • Impotent to cut war funding (they expect war criminals not to fund illegally?).

  • Impotent to apply any pressure, let alone "ratchet it up."

  • Impotent to convince the American People that they are willing to DO anything at all, except strategerize their own re-elections.
Their rationalization mantra of "too divisive" is positively delusional. In fact, impeachment may well be the ONLY way to reunite our once great nation.

Failure to impeach is complicity -- approval -- exoneration for the regime.

We cannot allow it.

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Pierzin Donating Member (710 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 05:55 AM
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19. Amen to That! The Whole World Knows, but not the USA!!!
This nation must be the dumbest kid on the block!
How is it possible the neo cons have gotten away with all that they have?
The Dems barely have a majority to do anything, so they are blamed if they do and they are blamed if they don't. They should still hold the bastards accountable, and there are no investigations neccessary. They can still say publicly what they think, even if they will not defend the Constitution.
The whole world knows it is illegal to invade another country to exploit its natural resources, yet the USA has done it. Good decent Americans that I know think it is perfectly ok, and it justs rips my heart out thinking about it.

Amen DavidSwanson!
Good luck to DK!
Truth to Power!
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 07:06 AM
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20. k+r
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jonnyra Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 08:20 AM
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21. Great post with one exception
"What can happen is impeachment, but the enemy is the clock"

Wrong...Pelosi and the democrats blocking impeachment hearings are the enemy. Pelosi and Reid...they have become the enemy in our attempt to bring this criminal administration to justice. They are the reason and the only reason hearings are not taking place. And as long as they are in control nothing will happen. They are complicit in the crimes and the administration knows it. Pelosi is clearly running cover for the criminals and the only reason that makes sense at this point is that she knows they have information that will bring her and probably many other democrats down with them. Write all the letters and make all the phone calls you want...Pelosi will not allow impeachment as long as shes in charge.
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susu369 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 08:40 AM
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22. Thank you, David Swanson
DU is fortunate to have you as a poster. Appreciate all your work - just finished reading your "The Whisper was for Romney."

http://www.davidswanson.org/

K&R
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