Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Conservative Movement begins to dabble in Holocaust Denial

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 07:14 PM
Original message
Conservative Movement begins to dabble in Holocaust Denial
By denying that gay individuals were targeted in the Holocaust.

Many innocent people were, without a doubt, systematically murdered by the Nazis. Jews were, the Roma (AKA Gypsies) were, but Conservatives are making it 'debatable' that gays were.

Goldberg's new book says this, and the "Pink Swastika" states that the Nazi party was actually gay. Never mind the fact that this book was written by a man who had to pay a fine for assaulting a gay rights activist.

There is no other side to this. Gay people were murdered too, just for being gay, the Holocaust Memorial Museum states this, gay individuals were also subject to dress code laws, such as wearing a pink triangle on their clothing.

We can not stand for this. What the Conservative Movement is becoming is no different than any other neo-fascist Holocaust denial group. And those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it, we can't let it become up for debate, gays were murdered too.

I have no doubt that people on DU unanimously reject denial of the Holocaust, no matter where you stand on the candidates, on the issues, or whatever. Tonight we need to unite and say "NO!" to this new form of Holocaust denial.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 07:16 PM
Response to Original message
1. I'd hardly call this new.
Which congress critter was it who had to apologize over this?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 07:20 PM
Response to Original message
2. I wish I could say that all of DU is anti denial of the Holocaust.
But I don't know. Lots of anti Israel feelings here and I understand their political views. I hope, though, that it stops at anti denial of the Holocaust. That would be sad.

I am not Jewish, BTW. Nor am I gay. But I totally, completely agree with the sentiments of the OP.

Never again!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cabraverde Donating Member (234 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 07:25 PM
Response to Original message
3. of course hitler hated gays !
he hated everyone, gays, gypsies, the retarded, handicaped, insane, jews, slavs, russians.

I have heard that he hated catholics, but at the same time I also heard that he conspired with rome so I am not sure if this is fact or not.

I am courious if he hated blacks, did germany even have blacks? If he did hate and kill blacks it has not recieved much press. I also wonder if he only hated gay men or if he hated lesbians to.

I would have to guess that he was not very fond of asians, but he was allied with japan.
I guess he was not an equal opertunity hater.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 07:29 PM
Response to Reply #3
4. Here's some information
Hitler had people killed for 'miscegenation' and sterilized mixed children.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0,,2170159,00.html
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cabraverde Donating Member (234 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 07:32 PM
Response to Reply #4
7. thanks, that was most interesting
very scary!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 07:29 PM
Response to Original message
5. The whole party was gay?
So they were like the Log Cabin Republicans of the Third Reich? Is Goldberg suggesting that the gays were so empowered by their overwhelming acceptance in 1930s Germany that they decided to unite in the common cause of killing other minorities?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 08:04 PM
Response to Reply #5
10. The Pink Swastika is written by an anti-gay crusader linked with the ex-gay movement.
The book basically says that the Nazi movement was a gay movement and that the real sin of Christians was not purging the world of homosexuals earlier. As a result, they want to make up for lost time. They urge Christians to stop gay people at all costs. They believe that AIDS is a disease that gays invented to destroy the world. They advocate a preemptive strike against the gays--destroy the gay before the gay destroys the world.

http://www.amazon.com/review/product/0964760975/ref=cm_cr_pr_hist_5?%5Fencoding=UTF8&filterBy=addFiveStar

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2500141

http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/category/activists-anti-gay/watchmen-on-the-walls/

It has many followers and a portion was published in Catholic Insight magazine in 1996.

The "kinder, gentler" followers believe that gays should be re-educated (how? in camps?)


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 07:32 PM
Response to Original message
6. actually, the early Nazi party
Did have a few high ranking gay men. This didn't stop homosexuals and those suspected of being homosexual from being hunted down and exterminated.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 07:53 PM
Response to Reply #6
9. That itself may be more fiction than fact
The Annotated Pink Swastika, which is a rebuke to the book states the following:

Go to "The Homosexual Roots of the Nazi Party".

http://www.qrd.org/qrd/religion/anti/annotated.pink.swastika
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 08:04 PM
Response to Reply #6
11. They exterminated the early high-ranking gay men along with the others. /nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 11:49 PM
Response to Reply #11
12. Night of Long Knives
In late February 1933, as the moderating influence of Ernst Röhm weakened, the Nazi Party launched its purge of homosexual (gay, lesbian, and bisexual; then known as homophile) clubs in Berlin, outlawed sex publications, and banned organized gay groups. As a consequence, many fled Germany (e.g. Erika Mann, Richard Plaut). In March 1933, Kurt Hiller, the main organizer of Magnus Hirschfeld's Institute of Sex Research, was sent to a concentration camp.

On May 6, 1933, Nazi Youth of the Deutsche Studentenschaft made an organised attack on the Institute of Sex Research. A few days later the Institute's library and archives were publicly hauled out and burned in the streets of the Opernplatz. Around 20,000 books and journals, and 5,000 images, were destroyed. Also seized were the Institute's extensive lists of names and addresses of LGBT people. In the midst of the burning, Joseph Goebbels gave a political speech to a crowd of around 40,000 people. Hitler initially protected Röhm from other elements of the Nazi Party which held his homosexuality to be a violation of the party's strong anti-gay policy. However, Hitler later changed course when he perceived Röhm to be a potential threat to his power. During the Night of the Long Knives in 1934, a purge of those who Hitler deemed threats to his power took place. He had Röhm murdered and used Röhm's homosexuality as a justification to subside outrage within the ranks of the SA. After solidifying his power, Hitler would include gay men among those sent to concentration camps during the Holocaust.

Himmler had initially been a supporter of Röhm, arguing that the charges of homosexuality against him were manufactured by Jews. But after the purge, Hitler elevated Himmler's status and he became very active in the suppression of homosexuality. He exclaimed, "We must exterminate these people root and branch... the homosexual must be eliminated." (Plant, 1986, p. 99).


Memorial to Gay Victims of the Holocaust in Berlin (its inscription: Totgeschlagen - Totgeschwiegen (Struck Dead - Hushed Up))Shortly after the purge in 1934, a special division of the Gestapo was instituted to compile lists of gay individuals. In 1936, Heinrich Himmler, Chief of the SS, created the "Reich Central Office for the Combating of Homosexuality and Abortion."

Gays were not initially treated in the same fashion as the Jews, however; Nazi Germany thought of German gay men as part of the "Master Race" and sought to force gay men into sexual and social conformity. Gay men who would or could not conform and feign a switch in sexual orientation were sent to concentration camps under the "Extermination Through Work" campaign.

More than one million gay German men were targeted, of whom at least 100,000 were arrested and 50,000 were serving prison terms as convicted gay men.<1> Hundreds of European gay men living under Nazi occupation were castrated under court order.<2>

Some persecuted under these laws would not have identified themselves as gay. Such "anti-homosexual" laws were widespread throughout the western world until the 1960s and 1970s, so many gay men did not feel safe to come forward with their stories until the 1970s when many so-called "sodomy laws" were repealed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_Holocaust
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 07:51 PM
Response to Original message
8. Didn't you get the memo? It's all about bipartisanship.
The only way we're going to get them to raise the minimum wage by 0.15 is if we "agree to disagree" about "insignificant issues" like this.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Fri Apr 26th 2024, 06:11 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC