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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 08:59 AM
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CNN BREAKING: 5 Iranian Revolutionary Guard boats harassed, provoked 3 U.S. Navy warships
Edited on Mon Jan-07-08 09:13 AM by kpete
Breaking on CNN.com

Gulf of Tonkin, anyone?


U.S. officials: 5 Iranian Revolutionary Guard boats harassed, provoked 3 U.S. Navy warships in the Strait of Hormuz on Saturday.

http://www.cnn.com /

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Iranian boats "provoke" U.S. Navy ships in Hormuz: CNN
Mon Jan 7, 2008 8:53am EST WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Five Iranian Revolutionary Guard boats harassed and provoked three U.S. Navy ships in the Strait of Hormuz on Saturday, CNN reported.

The CNN report on Monday, citing unidentified U.S. officials, said the Iranian vessels came within 200 yards (meters) of the U.S. ships and that after a threatening radio communication, U.S. sailors manned their ships' guns and were very close to opening fire.

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN07390391200...

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MORE-(hat tip to: Jennifer C)
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN07390391200...

A radio transmission from one of the Iranian ships said, "I am coming at you. You will explode in a couple of minutes," CNN reported, citing a U.S. official.

After the threatening radio communication, U.S. sailors manned their ships' guns and were very close to opening fire, it said.

There was no immediate U.S. comment.

The incident occurred on the eve of a visit to the Middle East by U.S. President George W. Bush, who said last week that one of the aims of his trip was to counter Iran's ambitions in the region.



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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:00 AM
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1. Anybody Know Where Cheney Is ???
:mad:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:07 AM
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7. At the fax machine.
Bastard.

If the wheels start coming off, we have to get on the phone. :grr:
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:12 AM
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11. Or the shredder, shredding the bill of sale for the Iranian ships.
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:20 AM
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18. Doubt he needs a shredder after the fire
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:22 AM
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20. While republicon darling Ollie North smirks about the US Missiles he gave to Iran
Edited on Mon Jan-07-08 09:28 AM by SpiralHawk
Republicon 'hero' (and traitor to America), Col. Ollie North - one of Dickie "Five Military Deferments" Cheney's intimate buddies -- gave the Iranians our Hawk missiles, and a Bible, so the Iranians could pray up a Christian storm before shooting our missiles at our sons and daughters in uniform.

Thanks a pantload, Ollie. You are a typical republicon (the lowest insult known to humanity). Try supporting America and the American people next incarnation...

http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/walsh/execsum.htm



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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:42 AM
Response to Reply #20
32. And the Republicans consider him a hero. I guess that's what happens
when you think education is overrated.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:52 AM
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37. Well republicons consider pResident AWOL to be a hero, too
Edited on Mon Jan-07-08 09:52 AM by SpiralHawk
And also VP Dickie "Five Military Deferments" Cheney...

Chickenhawk republicons of a feather flock together...

they are way below any notches on the Shame Meter...
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:42 AM
Response to Reply #11
33. They want us to believe that what amounts to the Iranian Coast Guard
tried to threaten American warships? :shrug:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:52 AM
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36. Anyone know their boats? Are we talking about something like this?
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:51 PM
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71. nope, more like this, a boat patterned on Commander AWOL Bush's integrity rating
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:17 PM
Response to Reply #71
80. LOL! Got it!
:)
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:29 PM
Response to Reply #33
62. err the Iranian revolutionary guard are not the equivilent of the coast gaurd.
Nor are they a nice bunch of guys.
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INDIA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 03:02 PM
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83.  How about Iran's foreign ministry? They are admitting that something happened.
From the AP wire- "It suggested the Iranian boats had not recognized the U.S. vessels."

If you believe that Iranian boats couldn't pick out a US warship from within a half mile, you are brain dead.


"But Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Mohammed Ali Hosseini played down the incident, suggesting it was an issue of mistaken identity. He did not comment on the U.S. claims of the Iranian boats' actions."

"That is something normal that takes place every now and then for each party, and it (the problem) is settled after identification of the two parties," he told the state news agency IRNA."

Well sfexpat, Iran is at least admitting SOMETHING happened, so your initial accusations that the incident was made up Gulf of Tonkin style are probably false. They are claiming that whatever incident DID happen was a case of mistaken identity. Any average joe can pick out a warship from miles away, let alone someone in the Iranian Navy. It's an obvious lie, just like the obvious lie they used during the British sailor incident.

Sfexpat, there will be no war with Iran. You can stop being an apologist for the Iranian government.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 03:13 PM
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84. I don't see how the invective you use is useful.
I'm not mad, narrow minded or brain dead. I know our government pretty intimately and I've noticed the Iranians are not suicidal.

No doubt there was some encounter and no doubt the in the next week or so we'll find out it was our Navy, not the Iranians, that were the culprits. This happens every week or so.

And, it's not a matter of apologizing for anyone. It's a matter of not being a bigot and being able to recognize the behavioral patterns of my own government. :hi:
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INDIA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 03:42 PM
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85. Oh I'm a bigot now? Lol. that's rich. You're grasping at straws.
"No doubt there was some encounter" Oh, so you're saying it ISN'T a Gulf of Tonkin type incident then, good, we agree.

"no doubt the in the next week or so we'll find out it was our Navy, not the Iranians, that were the culprits."

YES! Just like the British sailor incident, where it later turned out that the Brits were indeed in Iranian waters. Oh wait, no they weren't.

If I'm a bigot, than you have your head stuck in the sand. Wake up.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 03:46 PM
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86. I don't need to grasp at straws. lol
I have history, past and present on my side.

You have your invective and your strange idealization of the Brit Navy and your equally strange demonization of Iran.

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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 08:33 PM
Response to Reply #84
90. Actually they can be suicidal
Many of the heavy casualties suffered by the Iranian's during the war with Iraq were from mass frontal assaults against prepared Iraqi defensive positions.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:09 AM
Response to Reply #1
9. That was my very first thought as well..
The Big Dick is at it again.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:19 AM
Response to Reply #1
14. Definately NOT risking his life on a ship there!
Maybe he's hiding in his bat cave?
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Bravo Zulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:27 AM
Response to Reply #1
25. Lying in his crypt in an undisclosed location!
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:01 AM
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2. Gulf of Tonkin?
Naw, I believe this fully credible report.
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:02 AM
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3. Gulf of Tonkin
or the radio station incident with Poland?
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:05 AM
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4. Damn Iranians .... how dare they have ships by their country?
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:19 AM
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16. It's almost funny isn't it
Can't take much more of this.
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:05 AM
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5. Let the chest thumping
begin. :eyes: Great.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:07 AM
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6. I presume one of our carrier groups was in grave danger.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:08 AM
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8. see? they're terrorists.
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Jennifer C Donating Member (760 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:10 AM
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10. More:
A radio transmission from one of the Iranian ships said, "I am coming at you. You will explode in a couple of minutes," CNN reported, citing a U.S. official.

After the threatening radio communication, U.S. sailors manned their ships' guns and were very close to opening fire, it said.

There was no immediate U.S. comment.

The incident occurred on the eve of a visit to the Middle East by U.S. President George W. Bush, who said last week that one of the aims of his trip was to counter Iran's ambitions in the region.

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN07390391200...
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:20 AM
Response to Reply #10
19. Right!!
Do you really think that they would warn the ship they were "allegedly" attacking. They may be fanatics but they're not stupid fanatics-unlike ours.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 11:47 AM
Response to Reply #19
56. And if they had said that, they surely would've been fired upon.
If the boat was 2 minutes away-- c'mon. This story stinks.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:12 AM
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12. Is this news report timed to coincide w *'s trip to Israel? Are there still war plans
on *'s dim mind?
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:16 AM
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13. "Citing a U.S. official"..... trial balloon to see if the propaganda will fly?
U.S/Israel just have very itchy trigger fingers.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:20 AM
Response to Reply #13
17. "Citing a U.S. TERRORIST"
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 10:46 AM
Response to Reply #13
50. Priming the propaganda pump (n/t)
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:19 AM
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15. "Them there Eye-ranians is Evil Doers. Smirk." - Commander AWOL
"Yup, just like our republicon homelander propaganda machine has been claiming, Eye-ranians is just the mostest Evil Doers ever. We better nuke them now. I will be sending YOUR sons and daughters in uniform over there to get their loot for my republicon cronies. Oh yeah, and to protect you proles from (smirk) evil and stuff."

- Commander AWOL



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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:23 AM
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21. Does anyone believe this report?
Edited on Mon Jan-07-08 09:23 AM by Jim__
If Iran denies the report, are you more likely to accept what Iran says than what Washington says?

Another accomplishment of the bush administration.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:27 AM
Response to Reply #21
24. I will believe Iran because they haven't exhibited suicidal or
homocidal behavior and the Bush administration has.
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Blarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:30 AM
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28. then theres the NIE
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INDIA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 11:28 AM
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54. "I will believe Iran"
:crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

I'm not saying everything that comes out of the US military is verifiable truth, but believing Iran? Isn't this the same country with a president denying the holocaust and existance of homosexuality within his country?

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:26 PM
Response to Reply #54
61. He is not a real center of power. Oh, and in case you haven't noticed
the American government is spoiling to start a war.
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INDIA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:41 PM
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69. You're right, he's only the mouthpiece of the religious zealots who..
have complete control over the country. Wait, there's no real center of power? Didn't you argue that the Iranian leadership isn't fractured in another post? You're contradicting yourself.

Uhhh, and why didn't the navy fire on the boats if they wanted a war so much? THEN they could lie about the incident and it would be Gulf of Tonkin. They didn't. This is just a non-story demonstrating how stupid the Iranian navy really is.

There will be no war with Iran. I've been reading the same crap on DU since the 2004 election. It won't happen under the current set of circumstances. You can take that to the bank.



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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:16 PM
Response to Reply #69
79. There is no contradiction at all. The Iranian president doesn't make
these decisions. ,Neither does the the US navy.

I don't think the US senior officer corps is going for it and intelligence certainly isn't. But Bush and Cheney are insane so, there will be no trips to the bank for me until these mothers are out of office.
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:23 AM
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22. I think they probably left out the "by" right after provoked.
5 Iranian Revolutionary Guard boats harassed, provoked "by" 3 U.S. Navy warships
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:29 AM
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27. that's the ticket.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:25 AM
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23. cool... oil will be up to ...125 a barrel?
four dollar a gallon gasoline and god help the people who heat with fuel oil and propane...

that`s our george!
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 10:14 AM
Response to Reply #23
41. Gotta make those oil buds rich before they leave office n/t
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:28 AM
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26. Kpete I just noticed this too.
:scared:
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:31 AM
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29. This is the ONLY way that the Junta in the WH can "justify" the upcoming attacks...
...on Iran...

We've seen this all before....the question is will the presstitutes recognize it?
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:37 AM
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30. "Harassment" as an excuse to attack?
Only Bushco would even try it.
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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:41 AM
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31. BS. If they got within 200 yds. (meters) of our warships
there would not be 5 Iranian Revolutionary Guard boats.

Not after the USS Cole.

Something smells.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:42 AM
Response to Reply #31
34. Exactly. The Cole. n/t
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 10:20 AM
Response to Reply #31
43. Particularly considering the radio message
Or, if true, this indicates how vulnerable the ships are to small boat attack.

Also, if true, it confirms my worst fears about a fractured Iranian command and control, with local zealot commanders acting out their own agenda.

All are equally troubling.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 10:23 AM
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44. I don't believe it for a minute. There is no indication of any such
fracture in Iranian command and control.

There is every indication that Dick Cheney is trying to war on another innocent nation.
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 10:49 AM
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51. I disagree
When you have two separate military branches, one 'traditional', one 'politically/ideologically' driven (the IRGC), you have fractured command and control by definition.

There was ample evidence that the incident with the Brit sailors MAY well have been a faction of the IRGC going off-script, and this event MAY have been similar.

The Republican party does not have a monopoly on religious/ideologically driven crackpots, which makes the state of tension with Iran so dangerous.

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INDIA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 11:38 AM
Response to Reply #44
55. "I don't believe it for a minute"
Were you asleep during the British sailor hostage incident? The Iranians have shown this type of behavior before. They are inept, and bad liars. As you may recall, the Iranians insisted the incident took place at a location within their territorial waters, when it was pointed out that the location was in fact in international waters, they changed the location AGAIN to put it in their own waters.

I seem to recall then that DU wanted to believe the Iranian (Holocaust denying, homosexuality denying) government over the British Navy. Madness.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:22 PM
Response to Reply #55
60. LOL! Because the British Navy has such a sterling history.
lol
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INDIA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:33 PM
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65. So those British sailors were really holograms? They weren't really captured?
The Iranians have done this shit before. Recently. It's a pattern. Just because this alleged incident doesn't fit within your narrow minded world view doesn't mean it's the new Gulf of Tonkin. Some Iranians, especaially in the military, are fucking crazy. Duh.

And actually yes, Britain has the finest naval tradition of any country in the world. They are a first world modern navy. The Iranian navy is basically in the stone ages compared to the Brits. Was that sarcasm or a joke? I don't get it.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:08 PM
Response to Reply #65
78. The Iranians have done this before? The Brits have been doing it
for hundreds of years and all over the world. When Henry 8 fired up the Navy, they were little more than organized pirates. Later, the Navy enabled the slave trade. Try to find that on the Google. It's nearly impossible. Instead what you find is many listings for how the Navy valiantly helped end the slave trade. Forget that the Navy was one of the main enforcers of British hegemony. You're India3. I'm sure that isn't news to you.

Tradition is a funny, highly selective thing and not to be confused with actual history.
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:02 PM
Response to Reply #65
92. As Churchil said about navy traditions
Traditions of the Navy, the traditions of the Navy are rum, sodomy and the lash.
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OregonBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:46 AM
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35. Some bozo soldier on CSPAN this morning going on about Iranian involvement in
the South. So, it starts again, they took a brief brake after the NIE but they need to get the pukes fired up.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:52 AM
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38. we knew this was going to happen....part of the plan
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:55 AM
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39. this from Raw Story
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 10:12 AM
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40. Cheney is just itchin to unlease holy hell in the M.E.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 10:14 AM
Response to Reply #40
42. the thought of * visiting the ME is enough "holy hell"
Edited on Mon Jan-07-08 10:15 AM by alyce douglas
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 10:24 AM
Response to Reply #40
45. More hell. He's already killed a million people, displaced more
and gotten thousands of Americans dead or wounded.
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:55 PM
Response to Reply #40
72. He sure is and the 'hourglass is running out' for him
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 10:26 AM
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46. If you were attacking a vastly superior naval force
Would you really radio ahead and warn them?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 10:34 AM
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48. Only if they needed a sound bite? n/t
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long_green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:32 PM
Response to Reply #46
64. Bingo!
The message, if legitimate, was as good as the Iranians can do against the USN.

I think it more likely that this is an op.
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 10:34 AM
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47. CNN uses interesting terminology: "Iranian Guard ATTACK vessels" threaten US Naval ships
Wow. Nice of CNN's Bush mouthpiece (Barbara Starr) to frame the issue so nicely for the warmongers.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 10:49 AM
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52. Exactly why this is straight from the WH, correct headline would
have read "Iranian naval vessels".
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:05 PM
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76. Yah, apparently she didn't see the irony of "attack vessels" vs. "WARSHIPS". n/t
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tuckessee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 10:36 AM
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49. Po' wittle ol' US Navy!
Why do all those bullies pick on the sweet, innocent, US Navy?
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 11:01 AM
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53. What were the Iranians doing in Vietnamese waters? Oh, wait..wrong "incident".
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:24 PM
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81. Remember the Maine !
Another phony naval incident to touch off a war of conquest and expansion...

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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 08:42 AM
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96. It wasn't phony
The Maine sank in Havana harbor. Engineering analysis of the wreck many years afterward concluded that the explosion was most probably caused by a coal bunker fire next to a secondary armament magazine, detonating the ammunition.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:09 PM
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57. Bullshit
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Naturyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:10 PM
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58. I smell a huge rat. (n/t)
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:18 PM
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59. The PNAC Repukes want war with Iran so badly, they will do anything
Edited on Mon Jan-07-08 12:19 PM by Rex
to get it started this year. There are recordings of that Iranian fella saying what he did, let us hear them so we know they are real (ha fat chance) before they get 'burned by accident' so as not to release 'sensitive information'. :sarcasm:
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:06 PM
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77. how else can they frighten the masses into voting GOP?? n/t
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:29 PM
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63. The Battle for Public Relations
We first need Iran to do something agressive that will justify an attack.

Iran first needs us to do something aggressive to have the upper hand in PR.

:popcorn:
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:36 PM
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66. Gulf of Tonkin! You took the words right out of my mouth! n/t
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:37 PM
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67. A leak from the Bush Admin,.......... its utter bullshit.
Iranians in speed boats speaking english on the radio....


You have got to be kidding me.
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 08:38 AM
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95. Why, are the Iranians incapable of learning English
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:38 PM
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68. Dickie's just determined to get his War with Iran on, isn't he?
Edited on Mon Jan-07-08 12:39 PM by AzDar
Wonder where Blackwater got the 'Iranian vessel'?
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:47 PM
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70. How much do you want to bet it was the US doing the provoking?
Say by encroaching on Iran's territorial waters?

What's Iran going to do? They'll make a statement saying we entered their waters, we'll deny it, and the diplomatic channels will degenerate into a pissing match of "Did not!" "Did too!" which is exactly what the Bushies want.

Gives them an excuse to bang the war drums some more...

Depressing.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:56 PM
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73. How many U.S. citizens are still credulous enough to fall for this schtick? (nt)
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:01 PM
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74. CNN has turned into Fox News since Fox nobody wants
but if CNN keeps it up they won't have any viewership

US News is a joke
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:04 PM
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75. boats vs. warship? I was wondering how long it would take to go to war with iran.
Since bush got shut down in his nuclear weapon lies again, I was wondering how long it would be for us to manufacture a war of some sort (cuz the repubs HAVE to scare the shit out of Americans to get them to vote for Rudy). Why exactly are our warships in that area, anyway? Provoking perhaps??? If you recall we sent those ships there a few months ago, moving them from the Pacific for no apparent reason.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:50 PM
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82. lol
What a joke - pure fabrication I'm sure.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 04:09 PM
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87. It should read, "3 U.S. Navy warships in the Strait of Hormuz harass Iran."
If the 5 Iranian Revolutionary Guard boats were in the Gulf of Mexico near the Mississippi delta, then they might have a case.

CNN also has planty of headlines about Iraqis attacking U.S. soldiers for being in (destroying) their country. :eyes:



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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 04:47 PM
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88. "Bon bons attack Lucy's mouth!"


:rofl:
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 04:49 PM
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89. LOL!
One of my favorite episodes. :hi:

This one too:
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:00 PM
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91. Seems to me our ships shouldn't be there......
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 11:18 PM
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93. Whom should we believe ... our crazies or their crazies?
Edited on Mon Jan-07-08 11:18 PM by eppur_se_muova
Life today is so complicated.
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Mr_Monday Donating Member (220 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 11:20 PM
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94. What's with using
Naval encounters to start wars? Are they harder to verify? Less causalities? Less expensive?
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