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judy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:48 PM
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Kucinich supporters: why Obama?
As a Kucinich supporter myself, I am curious as to why he decided to give his votes to Obama in Iowa instead of Edwards...Does anyone have any insight as to why that is?
I looked on Dennis' site, but could not find any answer...
For me, Dennis is the only candidate who has the right vision. I have a tendency to trust his judgment, even though Obama seems miles away from Dennis in terms of solidity, integrity and clarity.
So if anyone has any insight on why Obama, let me know.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:51 PM
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1. Obama is too gentle and does not have enough backbone.
Kucinich would be a better candidate. I'm for Edwards. Hopefully Edwards will win the nomination. Howver, we must keep our eyes on the ball, and the ball right now has to be played like this:

1) Take Repukes out of all levels of government (even the smallest)
2) Do not vote in Democratic centrists (H. Clinton comes to mind)
3) Push to begin impeachment proceedings of the a-hole in the White House

Everything else is not as horrific as what we've had from Reagan on down.
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Blackdog4241 Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:53 PM
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2. It was a one time thing...
and He said it was because he found Obama to be more sincere.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:53 PM
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3. I believe he said that they had one thing in common, and that was "change"
Of course, "change" is the new buzzword, and everyone is throwing it around. Change change changity changaroo.

I personally think it was a swipe against Hillary. DK and Edwards haven't been getting along since the whole Edwards/Hillary suggesting that the debates should have a smaller field (which Dennis overheard).

I agree that Dennis is the only candidate with the right vision.
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:54 PM
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4. i am also confused as to kucinich's wish
i can only conclude that he is playing politics and is trying to hype obama so that edwards (whos position is closest to DK) campaign will be derailed. This however has put me off and will not be voting for obama, im for edwards.
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stimbox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:58 PM
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5. It was only in Iowa and only in the 2nd ballot.
Dennis said it wasn't an endorsement for B.O.
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never_get_over_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:43 PM
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16. Yeah and what I heard is that
the Iowa voters who supported Dennis ended up voting for Edwards. You know I've liked Dennis for a long long time and I have sent him more money than I have ever sent any one candidate - but he jumped the shark for me when he suggested 2nd round votes go to Obama - he should have kept his mouth shut - because people who support Dennis think for themselves - he should know that.....

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stimbox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:07 PM
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17. What part of just the 2nd vote and just Iowa is confusing?
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 02:07 PM by stimbox
Dennis is still in it to win it. He wasn't conceding the whole race, only Iowa.
He had his reasons for doing what he did. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2610737
If I were an Iowa caucus voter, I would have voted for Edwards in the 2nd.
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never_get_over_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 04:00 PM
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23. I'm not a bit confused.....
Dennis chose to ask his Iowa voters to cast their vote for Obama in the second round. He wrote his reasons why. I don't agree with those reasons - and certainly don't think he should of bashed the second most progressive Democratic candidate. I think he should have kept his mouth SHUT and let his supporters decide for themselves - which apparently they did for the most part - and although I agree with Dennis on the issues almost 100% he is completely unelectable and therefore I have chosen not to send him another penny or to vote for him in the primary.

Pretty simple really....he made his choice I made mine.....
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:58 PM
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6. I don't know.
And I'll make the decision regarding where my vote goes, thank you very much.

Obama seems inexperienced. I'll wager that he will be a very good leader in four to eight years, and from me, that is high praise. However, he doesn't stand for the things that most concern me. Edwards is the closest thing to Dennis, at least in anti-corporate enthusiasm.
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Snotcicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:00 PM
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7. I think he made a deal for the Michigan votes because neither Obama or Edwards is on the ballot. nt
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Justyce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:14 PM
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8. I don't understand it either since Edwards is closest to him
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 01:15 PM by Justyce
on positions than Obama:

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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:18 PM
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10. I get a kick out of people that actually put faith in these
cutsie little graphs and charts that purportedly capture the sum of a candidate. I never rely on them or take those idiotic things that match you with a candidate. I prefer using my own eyes and ears and doing research.
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Justyce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:22 PM
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11. The graphs are based on research and facts. Not simply
"eyes and ears" and gut feelings.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:28 PM
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12. Graphs and charts can never accurately reflect
anything but a vague general sense of a candidate. How are votes weighted? Are they weighted? Only *I* can decide how much weight to give any individual's voting record. Why people can't see something that obvious, is a mystery to me.
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:30 PM
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13. That's a really depressing graph. Everybody's in the Right/Authoritarian
section of the grid except Kucinich and Gravel. Even Ron Paul, a professed "Libertarian", isn't quite where you'd think he'd wind up.

True, all the Democrats are to the Left of the Repubs within that grid section, but still.

Necessary disclosure of my position on the same grid:
Economic Left/Right: -7.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.08
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:16 PM
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9. Weren't HRC & JE talking about shutting him out in another debate "off mic"?
:shrug:

Weren't those two caught talking about shutting him out in another debate?

Maybe that's why?
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 04:32 PM
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24. That's what I was thinking!
Yes, Obama was not in on that underhanded bid to shut Kucinich out of the race.


And I guess Kucinich remembered that.

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stimbox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:34 PM
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14. Email from Kucinich explains it...
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:09 PM
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18. I Will Honor His Request
when I caucus next month.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:16 PM
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20. I hope that was tongue in cheek. Kucinich said it was ONLY for Iowa and emphasised it several times.
In any case, this longtime Kucinich supporter is backing Edwards.
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:22 PM
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21.  Since We Cacus in CO vs Vote
it's the same situation, is it not?

So no it was not tongue in cheek vs your foot in mouth.

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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 03:00 PM
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22. Well, as I said, Kucinich emphasized over and over that it was just for Iowa.
So, if you are a Kucinich supporter, I don't see why would you think it applies to CO as well.

If you're not a Kucinich supporter, then obviously this whole conversation is irrelevent.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:35 PM
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15. I don't know
it's his only position I disagree with
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:10 PM
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19. Not me.
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bean fidhleir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 05:42 PM
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25. My best guess: a moment of stupidity.
The more I watch him, the more flaws I see, mostly in such choices as that one. I'd think it would be obvious to anyone that badmouthing someone for excellent reasons but then in the next breath saying 'vote for him' is dumb. A really, really stupid, unprincipled thing to do.

I'm still going to vote for him, because he's still miles in front of anyone else except Cynthia, but I'm much more in touch with how flawed he is than I was in '04.
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