I have a great Democratic candidate for you.

[Ravy]

Obama, if he is *real* and this groundswell of grassroots supports propels him to the nomination.

Clinton, if she can overcome the sense she instills in voters that the change they want is just back to the Clinton presidency. They want more this time. And she will have to fight for the nomination, she now knows the coronation BS won't get her the nomination.

Edwards, if he continues to stand and fight despite the corporate interests continuing to declare him as irrelevant. Rocky II-whatever would never have been made if Stallone had knocked out Apollo Creed with the first punch in the first round in Rocky I.

The difference between these candidates is mostly in a matter of degrees. They spout the same things as goals. Yes, I like Clinton's health care plan better than Obama's, and I like Edwards' better than Clinton's, and Kucinich's most of all. They all have a goal of getting us out of Iraq. They all favor diplomacy rather than preemptive military strikes. Any of them would put in a cabinet that should make us proud to be Americans. Any of them is capable and driven to restore our standing in the world.

Concerning specific proposals: Do you *really* think a President Obama would veto Senator Clinton's health care package if it came to his desk? Would President H. Clinton veto Kucinich's plan if a stroke of her pen would enact it into law? Would President Edwards veto Senator Biden's bill that would get us out of Iraq under Biden's plan?

The judgment we must now make depends mostly on style, not actual substance... and ensuring that a Democrat is elected, and that Congress is democratic enough to get the needed legislation through. The new President (how it feels so good to capitalize that word again) will sign into law anything close to what the voters are clamoring for- so nitpicking differences in the plans is an election exercise, not a governing one.

I hope our nominating process is tough. I hope each of our candidates hits a rough spot and has to re-evaluate and refine their message to capture the soul of the entire Democratic Party. I hope the eventual nominee knows exactly what we expect of them when they get elected. That is democracy.

[msongs]

1. well said! nt

[Ravy]

2. kick for some evening luv. nt

[SammyWinstonJack]

3. K&R

[LWolf]

4. Would Clinton and Obama support impeachment, given the chance?

Oops, they have been given a chance. Who do they stand with? Pelosi and Hoyer, or Kucinich? What, exactly, have they said about the effort to impeach a criminal in the Bush administration?

Obama rejects it:

<snip>

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama laid out list of political shortcomings he sees in the Bush administration but said he opposes impeachment for either President George W. Bush or Vice President Dick Cheney.

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/06/28/america/NA-POL-US-Obama-No-Impeachment.php

HRC sidesteps it deftly:

<snip>

Clinton tilted her head with a wry smile and said “Well, I certainly sympathize with the (Impeachment) sentiment!” She turned to us and smiled adding “We’re going to impeach them in November 2008!”

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=25832

They won't ever have to take an uncomfortable stand on anything. Democratic "leaders" will help to make sure real substantive action never reaches the president's desk.

[Ravy]

5. I don't think they would if they were the President, no.

Huckabee might, he has trouble keeping those details straight.

[LWolf]

6. Of course, I wasn't referring to them as a president in office.

Not until the final statement:

"They won't ever have to take an uncomfortable stand on anything. Democratic 'leaders' will help to make sure real substantive action never reaches the president's desk."

I don't Hillary or Obama will ever take an uncomfortable stand on anything while in office, whether that be the Senate or the Oval office.

[williesgirl]

7. I think HRC will pardon Bush and Cheney 1st thing.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

8. I *really* think that trusting any politician to be other than a politician is unrealistic.

They'll do anything that will get them into office and anything to stay in office.