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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 11:22 PM
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Wow, another version of why the CIA tapes were destroyed

CIA tapes were destroyed to ’save image.’

The New York Times reports that the CIA’s “every action in the prolonged drama of the interrogation videotapes was prompted in part by worry about how its conduct might be perceived — by Congress, by prosecutors, by the American public and by Muslims worldwide.” The Times adds:

By late 2002, interrogators were recycling videotapes, preserving only two days of tapes before recording over them, one C.I.A. officer said. Finally, senior agency officials decided that written summaries of prisoners’ answers would suffice.

Still, that decision left hundreds of hours of videotape of the two Qaeda figures locked in an overseas safe.

Clandestine service officers who had overseen the interrogations began pushing hard to destroy the tapes. But George J. Tenet, then the director of central intelligence, was wary, in part because the agency’s top lawyer, Scott W. Muller, advised against it, current and former officials said.

Yet agency officials decided to float the idea of eliminating the tapes on Capitol Hill, hoping for political cover. In February 2003, Mr. Muller told members of the House and Senate oversight committees about the C.I.A’s interest in destroying the tapes for security reasons.

The tapes recorded a program “so closely guarded that President Bush himself had agreed with intelligence officials’ advice that he not be told the locations of the secret C.I.A. prisons.”


Administration: Destroying CIA tapes didn't violate order

Does anyone actually believe this story?

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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 11:26 PM
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1. And yet - destroying the tapes also harms their image, doesn't it?
Sometimes the cover-up is worse than the crime itself... (watergate)....
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ShockediSay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 11:52 PM
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2. IOWds," just do it, I don't care how, & I don't want to know " nt
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 12:08 AM
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3. Rodriquez was hung out to dry before, by the CIA
Edited on Sun Dec-30-07 12:09 AM by seemslikeadream

http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004908.php


If you go to Larry Johnson's website, he wrote an article not long ago about many CIA personnel purchasing legal insurance policies. Sorry I don't have the link. The gist of it is, they (CIA personnel) anticipated the lawsuits and bought these policies to protect themselves. Smart wasn't it. If you read Larry's posts you'll see that not covering his legal costs during Iran Contra. He's been down this road before. LJ also speculates that Rodriquez covered all of his bases before those tapes were destroyed. Definitely, he has political/documentary cards up his sleeve, more than likely aces.




Jose Rodriguez Commit that name to memory - Mike Malloy
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=2549111


Provocation and regime-changing skills are especially desirable to the CIA in the Middle East and Latin America right now.

Jose Rodriguez assumed in about May 2002 the post of Director of the CIA's Counterterrorism Center (CTC), near the top of the CIA totem pole. He was at this job as George W. Bush putsch-making gathered steam in the wake of 9/11/2001. Rodriguez as D-CTC may have been one reason Henry Kissinger resigned (in Dec. 2002) as chairman of the commission investigating 9/11. Kissinger had been paid as a consultant (apparently in the period 2001-2002) by Ernesto Samper, and the 9/11 job would have involved interfacing with Rodriguez, an old Samper antagonist.

Jose A. Rodriguez was promoted to become the CIA's Deputy Director for Operations in November 2004, succeeding Stephen Kappes. This is perhaps the CIA's No. 2 position in terms of power and put him in charge of the CIA's clandedestine (spying and dirty tricks) operations, including illegal renditions and operation of illegal "black hole" prisons for Muslims. In this job Rodriguez had to sign off on all applications of "harsh interrogation" methods (torture).

Rodriguez dropped out of sight soon after his appointment was announced in the media, but the CIA never reported any reassignment for him.

After the 2005 reorganization of the Intelligence Community under Director of National Intelligence John Negroponte, Jose Rodriguez continued as the head of CIA clandestine operations. This is basically his old job (DDO) with a new title, Director of the National Clandestine Service, and new responsibilities to oversee day-to-day operations of all intelligence gathering by America's human (more or less) agents.

This would include agencies besides the CIA, but not electronic data mining and other methods besides HUMINT.

On February 7, 2006, Rodriguez fired his successor as Director of the Counterterrorism Center, Robert Grenier, for not being "aggressive" enough in dealing with terrorists (not vicious enough).

Rodriguez's publicity shyness compared to his predecessors apparently was in deference to his wife's desire to pursue a career as a physical trainer rather than any requirement of his job.



http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB27/index.html

With little fanfare, Jose A. Rodriguez Jr, who heads the National Clandestine Service (NCS) -- the spies, torturers, and terrorists of the CIA -- had his cover lifted about a month ago. CIA spokesman Mark Mansfield said the driving factor was his interest in publicly participating in minority recruitment events. The real reason could be he is interested in spending some time at his expensive home in a housing development in the northeast corner of Loudoun County, VA, with his wife Millie. He's also retiring later this year after more than three decades with the agency.

Rodriguez is the most important man in the U.S. spy game whose name you probably never knew. When he was mentioned publicly before now, he was referred to only as "Jose." However, we published an article about him on Wikipedia over a year ago.

Rodriguez became head of the CIA's clandestine service in November 2004.

Jose Rodriguez is a native of Puerto Rico. Rodriguez apparently was a military attache -- a MILGP or MILGRP (US Military Group) "commander" (supposedly an Army colonel) -- at the US Embassy in Argentina from 1994-1996. Officially a Military Group officer advises the US ambassador on military matters and is a liason between the US Government and the host country's security and military forces (actually, a funnel for money, arms, and intelligence). US diplomats, even military officers such as the US naval attache in Venezuela, Lt. Commander John Correa, ousted last year for espionage against Venezuela, often are CIA operatives. The CIA turncoat Aldrich Ames once posed as a military officer, and it's likely that Rodriguez was doing so in Argentina.

Besides recruiting the real spies (most of which are traitors to the host countries rather than Americans), CIA overseas agents (posing as diplomats in US embassies) aid US-puppet governments, no matter how repressive, and seek to overthrow independence-minded host governments (like Hugo Chavez's), no matter how democratic.

During the tenure of Ernesto Samper as president of Colombia (Aug. 1994 to Aug. 1998), Rodriguez began serving as the CIA's station chief in Bogota, Colombia. Rodriguez probably served as COS in Bogota sometime between 1996 and 1998. Soon after Samper became president, the CIA pressured him to assist them in their war, basically a turf war, against the Cali cocaine cartel. Possible enmity between Samper and Rodriguez later caused problems for former US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger as explained below.

Apparently the CIA tried to muscle in on the drug profits of the cartel and blackmail Samper to obtain influence for the CIA and/or the USA. (Is the CIA working for the US, for US business interests, for itself, for some other faction, to line its operatives' pockets -- or all of the above?)

Regarding a 1997 incident, according to Jason Vest of The Nation magzine, Rodguez has been criticized by Agency officers for helping out a "friend" arrested for drug offenses in Latin America. The true story is apt to be much more complicated than that. Rodriguez could claim he was acting in the line of duty by protecting a CIA asset (foreign "assets" are foreign nationals who do the bulk of the CIA's spy work) or investigation.

In 1999 Rodriguez was the chief of the large CIA station in Mexico with perhaps 500 agents.

Jose A. Rodriguez next became the chief of the Latin America Division of the Operations Directorate of the CIA, presumably back at the McLean, VA, headquarters. (Most CIA employees live in McLean and other small towns in Virginia, as well as Washington DC.) The Latin American division is considered obscure by CIA-watchers, but CIA fight-provocation among neighboring nations, and subversion within individual nations, was perfected there, notably in Nicaragua, Honduras, and El Savador in the Iran-contra era (1980s)






http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004908.php

CIA's Rodriguez Lawyers Up
By Spencer Ackerman - December 14, 2007, 10:59AM
Blink and you'll miss it in today's New York Times piece on the House's torture ban. But Jose Rodriguez, the CIA's ex-operations director who ordered the interrogation tapes destroyed in late 2005, has hired one of Washington's most prominent criminal attorneys:

Mr. Rodriguez has hired Robert S. Bennett, a well-known Washington lawyer, to represent him in Congressional and Justice Department inquiries into his handling of the tapes.
Mr. Bennett has represented a number of high-profile clients — among them former President Bill Clinton, Caspar W. Weinberger, the former defense secretary, and Paul D. Wolfowitz, the former deputy defense secretary and World Bank president.

“Mr. Rodriguez has been a loyal public servant for 31 years and has always acted in the best interest of the country,” Mr. Bennett said. “He’s done nothing wrong.”


How in the world does a retiring CIA official have the cash to hire Robert Bennett?

Update: An answer, from a knowledgeable source. Rodriguez, like many CIA officers, bought a very generous insurance policy in anticipation of getting into some kind of legal jeopardy of one sort or another.




http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/016415.php

Rodriguez Wants Immunity
Jose Rodriguez, the Director of Operations for the CIA who apparently ordered the destruction of videotaped interrogations of high-value al-Qaeda detainees, wants immunity from prosecution in exchange for his testimony. The demand deepens the fog around the decision to destroy the tapes at the same time that Congress took an interest in waterboarding and indicates that the buck did not stop at his desk. The Times of London reports that Rodriguez had contacted White House staff on the issue before ordering the destruction, which will certainly tempt Congress to offer the deal (via Memeorandum):

THE CIA chief who ordered the destruction of secret videotapes recording the harsh interrogation of two top Al-Qaeda suspects has indicated he may seek immunity from prosecution in exchange for testifying before the House intelligence committee.
Jose Rodriguez, former head of the CIA’s clandestine service, is determined not to become the fall guy in the controversy over the CIA’s use of torture, according to intelligence sources.

It has emerged that at least four White House staff were approached for advice about the tapes, including David Addington, a senior aide to Dick Cheney, the vice-president, but none has admitted to recommending their destruction.

Vincent Cannistraro, former head of counterterrorism at the CIA, said it was impossible for Rodriguez to have acted on his own: “If everybody was against the decision, why in the world would Jose Rodriguez – one of the most cautious men I have ever met – have gone ahead and destroyed them?”


Rodriguez has already hired Robert Bennett to defend him, so he knows that he will have to put on Kevlar underwear in this process. As the Times notes, he learned that lesson during Iran-Contra, where his cautious approach in gaining approval for his actions kept the fire above his level. Several sources in the story point out that Rodriguez would not have been a likely candidate to transform into a loose cannon, and that the order for this destruction had to come from someone above him in the hierarchy.




A View from Inside the CIA
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=17024592
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 12:44 AM
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4. NYT scores a blinding flash of the obvious.
Yes, we would like to know the truth.

I'm sure the tapes were not destroyed because of the shitty cinematography.
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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 12:46 AM
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5. But it's so much easier when you're the dictator!
“so closely guarded that President Bush himself had agreed with intelligence officials’ advice that he not be told the locations of the secret C.I.A. prisons.”

If one fancied themselves a dictator, then why wouldn't they want to know everything? Isn't 'knowing everything' the pattern behind warrantless wiretapping and so much other information gathering, the war on terror, war on drugs etc?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 12:50 AM
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6. ''Save Image" at The Hague, you treasonous warmongering murderering tortureres!
Those tapes were evidence of torture.

Bush destroyed the evidence, based on Nixon's example, so he wouldn't have to answer for torture and murder.

Bush thinks he can escape Justice.

If there's an honest investigation into his criminality, his war crimes will turn up, then his treasons.

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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 03:27 AM
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7. Afraid of how the tapes would be viewed by a jury
is more like it.
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