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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 08:46 PM
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The Truth About 2008
{1} "Truth is God." – Gandhi

There are many ways to define the Truth. Some of us find Truth in science, some in spirituality, some in mythology, some in day-to-day life, and many of us in combinations of some or all of these. Gandhi believed that the primary purpose of an individual’s life was to experience and to attempt to become one with the Truth. He knew that there were as many ways to do so as there were leaves on a tree, and that they were all rooted in the same Truth.

As a Hindu, Gandhi subscribed to the "belief that all life (not only human beings but all sentient beings) is one, i.e., all life coming from One universal source, call ir Allah, God or Parameshwara …." (Hindu Dharma; Ahmedabad; 1958; page 35) Yet he also recognized that "it is impossible for us to realize perfect truth so long as we are imprisoned in this mortal frame."

One of my favorite Gandhi quotes says, "To see the universal and all-pervading Spirit of Truth face to face, one must be able to love the meanest of creation as oneself. And a man who aspires after that cannot afford to keep out of any field of life. That is why my devotion to Truth has drawn me into the field of politics; and I can say without the slightest hesitation, and yet in all humility, that those who say that religion has nothing to do with politics do not know what religion means."

{2} "The world is too dangerous for anything but truth and too small for anything but love." – William Sloane Coffin

Rev. Coffin (1924 - 2006) had a curious career. He served in the CIA, before becoming a social activist. His ministry was based on a form of Liberation Theology. In the early 1960s, he worked with the Kennedy administration in the creation of the Peace Corps. He became a leading critic of the war in Vietnam, and worked along with Howard Zinn and Martin Luther King, Jr. He was known for his sense of humor; one of my favorite sayings is his: "Remember, young people, even if you win the rat race, you are still a rat."

It’s interesting to think of how on the Democratic Underground, many people invested time and energy into a search for Truth about what is known as the Plame scandal. There are, of course, many other examples of people looking for the Truth in the world of lies, fear, and violence that we call the Bush administration.

In 2008, it will be very important that people continue to work towards bringing the Truth to the forefront of the elections. No individual politician, including those running for the democratic nomination for president, represent the full Truth. And neither do any of us who are involved in the campaigning or debates about the various candidates. We all see things in our own way. But the world is too dangerous, and the elections too important, for us to accept the attempts by some to inject lies and fear into the discussion.

The prophet Bob Marley spoke about the political rat race:
"…..Don't involve Rasta in your say say;
Rasta don't work for no C.I.A.
Rat race, rat race, rat race! Rat race, I'm sayin':
When you think is peace and safety:
A sudden destruction.
Collective security for surety, ye-ah!

Don't forget your history;
Know your destiny:
In the abundance of water,
The fool is thirsty.
Rat race, rat race, rat race!

Rat race!
Oh, it's a disgrace
To see the human-race
In a rat race, rat race!
You got the horse race;
You got the dog race;
You got the human-race;
But this is a rat race, rat race!"


{3} "My way of joking is to tell the truth. It’s the funniest joke in the world." – George Bernard Shaw; 1907

It’s good to have a sense of humor. And it’s good to sing. One of my favorite songs is by Johnny Cash, and it is called "What Is Truth":

The old man turned off the radio
Said, "Where did all of the old songs go
Kids sure play funny music these days
They play it in the strangest ways"
Said, "it looks to me like they've all gone wild
It was peaceful back when I was a child"
Well, man, could it be that the girls and boys
Are trying to be heard above your noise?
And the lonely voice of youth cries "What is truth?"

A little boy of three sittin' on the floor
Looks up and says, "Daddy, what is war?"
"son, that's when people fight and die"
The little boy of three says "Daddy, why?"
A young man of seventeen in Sunday school
Being taught the golden rule
And by the time another year has gone around
It may be his turn to lay his life down
Can you blame the voice of youth for asking
"What is truth?"

A young man sittin' on the witness stand
The man with the book says "Raise your hand"
"Repeat after me, I solemnly swear"
The man looked down at his long hair
And although the young man solemnly swore
Nobody seems to hear anymore
And it didn't really matter if the truth was there
It was the cut of his clothes and the length of his hair
And the lonely voice of youth cries
"What is truth?"

The young girl dancing to the latest beat
Has found new ways to move her feet
The young man speaking in the city square
Is trying to tell somebody that he cares
Yeah, the ones that you're calling wild
Are going to be the leaders in a little while
This old world's wakin' to a new born day
And I solemnly swear that it'll be their way
You better help the voice of youth find
"What is truth/"

{4} "Be ye lamps unto yourselves.
Be your own reliance.
Hold to the truth within yourselves
as to the only lamp." – Buddha

I would like to thank those who continue to work towards making this country a better place than it has been, especially in the past seven years. We are in a tough struggle. And in difficult times, it is important to remember that a victory is not limited to something in the future. It’s how we experience the here and now.

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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 08:53 PM
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1. Thanks, H2O Man!
Happy Holidays to you and yours, and all the best for a wonderful 2008. DU wouldn't be the same without you.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 03:24 PM
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23. Happy New Year ...
... to you and your family and hope you are all enjoying a wonderful holiday.

Peace,
Bob
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 06:57 PM
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27. To you and yours also
my friend! :toast:

You are another great thing about DU!

Peace.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 09:24 PM
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2. I think Santa just sent you to the Greatest Page ...
... where you invariably belong.

All the best to you and yours, H2O man!
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bear425 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 09:26 PM
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3. Thank you, H2O Man, for your tireless efforts to bring
the truth to light.

Happy Holidays to you and yours.

k/r
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 09:44 PM
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4. So helpful.
Edited on Mon Dec-24-07 09:46 PM by Gregorian
Today was one of those life experience days. But let me first say something about those kids who play their music. I remember in 1974, there were two guys who were both six foot six and a half. And one of them came back to the dorm with a Bob Marley album. We all sat and smoked and listened. And we were all totally enlightened to a new sound. We listened over and over. I shot the sheriff, but I did not shot no deputy. We were searching for the truth. And I have not stopped listening to music for a single moment. I find music to be one of the few things on earth that is perfect. And perfection is it's own truth.

As you know, I bought some land. I was getting ready to move out of my rental house on the 27th. But somehow this man started moving in early. I already let him move in a few things. He's a very nice man. A medical doctor in town. Very kind. But when I came home this afternoon, and his girlfriend had all my groceries out of the fridge, and there was this little dog, only half the size of my cat, barking all over the house, I freaked. I yelled and swore and told everyone to leave. I still can't believe I did this. And he calmly said ok. And the girl was only cleaning the fridge. And my cat wasn't freaked out. But I was. There was a truth. But I jumped the gun. And so did they. And I think this was a lesson that your post is driving home for me. To live here and now. I was living in the future. There's a lot more to it than that. But that's at the center of it.

So I got my way. And maybe the other way was better. I'll spend tonight alone like I have for the last twenty years, and like I probably will for the next twenty years.

When you say to live in the here and now, it solves the complexities of life. We worry. We are angry. And it's all about the past and all about the future. Two things that don't exist.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 09:59 PM
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5. So true! Yet forgotten all too often.
in difficult times, it is important to remember that a victory is not limited to something in the future. It’s how we experience the here and now.

Happy to add to the list of recommendations.

Off to dig out my Johnny Cash and Bob Marley CD's. :hi:
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Silent3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 10:00 PM
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6. Call me the party pooper here...
...but my alarm bells go off when I see the word Truth spelled with a capital T.

Truth is important. Thinking you have Truth with a capital T is dangerous. Trying to go completely opposite from that, and making Truth with a capital T a matter of personal perception and personal choice is a philosophical quagmire.

I find the most useful concept of truth is that it's universal, the same for all of us, but far from being in the possession of any of us, and that the best we can do is seek greater and greater approximation of the truth in publicly verifiable ways in some matters, and admit when we simply don't know in other areas.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 10:41 PM
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7. Truth is constantly challenged by orthodoxy.
Subscribing to some "ism" is always easier than living vibrantly in the unknown, just being present without reflexive interpretation.

Meister Eckhardt, St. John of the Cross, and Teresa of Avila are among my favorite Christian writers because they taught that being spiritually open to God was a matter of not-knowing, and that fixing on images or concepts blocked the soul's ability to experience God's presence.

God bless those who resist the belief that Truth can be captured in any "ism", without descending into a disengaged cynicism.

I'm very grateful for the opportunity to be part of a community where we can collectively go after what Truth is, in various arenas of life. It's actually pretty fun.

Merry Christmas!
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 03:22 PM
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21. I believe ....
... in your goodness, my friend. :hi:

Peace,
Bob
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 12:19 AM
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8. This old world's wakin' to a new born day
This I believe is true, but by the time the world catches on that change is happening, things will have already changed. I saw a story last night of bringing clean water to African villages by way of a playground merry-go-round. The children get to ride and play while providing clean water for the village. Such a wildly creative solution to a dire problem. There is so much of this going on right now. But it's going on quietly, yet picking up momentum. Soon there'll be no place for the antics of the Mitts and Hucks and Rushes, for they hold no truth, and if the truth be told, on a dark night of their souls, they wouldn't be able to find it in what they've been doing either.

Lovely to see you posting on a night such as this, your words are a welcome gift.
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 08:21 AM
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9. Christmas morning kick and R. Thanks H2O Man for this enlightening post and for the
work you do here to keep Truth front and center.

It seems most of us here are thirsting for actions and words from those around us, and from those who would govern us, which are genuine and true.

New knowledge is the most valuable commodity on earth. The more truth we have to work with, the richer we become.
Kurt Vonnegut



:kick: MKJ
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Annces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 08:31 AM
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10. Thanks - that was nice n/t
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 08:31 AM
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11. Here's a Christmas kick
:hi:
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 08:40 AM
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12. There you are!!!
I've been debating whether or not to start a thread, asking if anyone has "seen" you of late. I'm delighted to "see" you here today and thank you for another beautiful post.

Happy Holidays to you and yours, H20 Man.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 01:40 PM
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18. Right?
Sending up a DU flair...
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 08:45 AM
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13. Thank you H2O Man
Merry Christmas to you and your family!
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 03:23 PM
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22. Merry Christmans to you!
Peace,
Bob
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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 10:17 AM
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14. Much Love H2O Man
"The world is too dangerous for anything but truth and too small for anything but love." – William Sloane Coffin

Boy Howdy

Blessings to you and yours my friend :)
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 11:09 AM
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15. Boy talk about "Liberal Bias".....
Apparently America "Can't handle the truth" or there would not be a Republican Party..
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 01:01 PM
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16. Swift on religion
"We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another."
-- Jonathan Swift
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 01:06 PM
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17. Fab Quote
so apt
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Frosty1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 01:41 PM
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19. Well said H20 Man
Thank You
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 03:20 PM
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20. My thanks to you and my total respect for all you bring to DU and to humanity.
Someday, I hope we meet.

Peace,
Bob
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 04:15 PM
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24. "And in difficult times, it is important to remember that a victory is not limited
Edited on Tue Dec-25-07 04:17 PM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
to something in the future. It’s how we experience the here and now."

That is a most profound and important truth, H2O, and good to remember in times of personal trial. The great, Jesuit spiritual writer, Jean-Pierre de Caussade, approaching from a slightly different direction, called it the "sacrament of the present moment". Holiness (wholeness) lies not in performing great actions, but in attending to the humblest tasks with the same conscientious commitment as any "great" act, but always for the glory of God. The Christian "take" on what seems to be a truth appreciated by most creeds.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 06:40 PM
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25. Thanks H2Oman. For all the facts you have shared, it's a fine gift, to speak to us in music.
Thanks to the lawyers for their law facts, the mil vets and active vets, the politicians, the social workers, the scientists, the historians ... and all thinking people who have contributed to a collective knowledge that soars beyond the knowledge gained by the corporate tv viewer and newspaper reader = through DU. Sorting out, adding, subtrracting, warning, maysaying, approving, endorsing. The analytical results have been proven many times. Thanks H20man and everyone else.
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 08:49 PM
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26. A great read fir this Christmas Day
Thanks Waterman it made me feel better to read something inspiring and nostalgic at the same time.
And thanks for Rat Race...the lyrics are great.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 07:02 PM
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28. Happy new Year, H2O Man!
Thank you. :hug:
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 08:09 AM
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29. Guten Rutsch Lieber Wassermann!
:loveya:
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wovenpaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 08:39 AM
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30. I appreciate your posts so very much
:hi:
You put so much thought, and research, and time into them (I can just imagine the pile of books by your chair, lol)
I always find them insightful and thought provoking. I think the best thing about them is they're a "great read" as well. You're a wonderful storyteller living such an interesting life. Thank you Mr. H2O Man, for sharing all this with us.
Merry holidays to you and best wishes for a happy, healthy-and better, new year!
:applause:

p.s. see sig line for my favorite Gandhi quote-that I read frequently these days...:)
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