Okay, I have my tinfoil hat securely on my head. Am I the only one who thinks the EOB fire was MIHOP

[KitchenWitch]

Seems awfully suspicious to me.

[Occam Bandage]

1. Undoubtedly not.

I'm reserving judgement.

[The Backlash Cometh]

33. I don't even know a cursed man who has had as many personal

quirky things happen to him as Dick Cheney has had:

9/11, four heart attacks, shoots his friend in the face, an office fire, was the submarine accident at the beginning of the Bush presidency Bush's friends or Cheneys?

[fascisthunter]

80. It's Pretty Damn Obvious to Me

Only cowards in Congress will shrink from the idea that anyone could do such a thing, and the sycophantic apologists will claim you are a "conspiracy theorists".

[The Backlash Cometh]

84. Well, something caught fire. Are the firemen's reports available under

FOIA?

[fascisthunter]

86. Good Question (nt)

[tblue37]

88. I read in another thread that the Secret Service was

blocking the fire investigators.

[Sancho]

101. executive privilege ...

clearly this falls under the secrets that protect the criminals signing statement!

[The Backlash Cometh]

107. We have the right to ask if the documents that are under subpoena

were destroyed in that fire. And if they don't produce those documents, we have a right to protect them from being destroyed, since the entire building has the same wiring system, a fire can happen again.

[tblue37]

87. What about the near miss lightning strike when he was flying somewhere? (eom)

[The Backlash Cometh]

90. I don't think God likes him any better than we do.

[tavalon]

97. Oh, I don't know

If there were some important documents destroyed in the fire, I would say someone very high up (or, more likely, low down) does like him

[LynzM]

2. Um, definitely not the only one.

:tinfoilhat: over here, as well. Given their history/record, everything the do is suspect.

[KitchenWitch]

6. I really hate that it was the first thing I thought when I saw the report

x(

[JackRiddler]

89. Funny, the first thing I thought was that it was the CIA...

Since the war between the intel services and the regime ramped up in recent weeks (did you notice how the WH plans for WW3 in Iran were derailed?). If there is an arson behind this, I would expect it would be as a message from CIA or some such to Cheney. If he resigns suddenly, that would be an indication tending to confirm.

Then again, it could be just a fire, you know.

If it is Cheney's crew, then keep in mind this is not how they destroy documents, they can just do that without fanfare. This is how they distract from something else, or attempt to attract sympathy.

[EOTE]

3. Actually, I believe it's more like ARBWODE.

Or, A Really Blatant Way Of Destroying Evidence.

[KitchenWitch]

10. ding ding ding!

You hit that one out of the park.

[EFerrari]

22. You bet.

If we made a movie, no one would buy this scene. There would be cr@p all over the screen.

[tavalon]

99. Isn't it sad when life doesn't even measure up to a bad Lifetime movie?

[malaise]

70. That's perfect

Bravo!!

[shanti]

72. they wrote the book on blatant

:eyes:

[TheDoorbellRang]

108. ARBWODE!

Now that's a DUzy! :rofl:


(I've gotta laugh or I'll start screaming)

[Virginia Dare]

4. No, and I'm not ashamed to join you...n/t

[AndyA]

5. There have been several other threads about suspicions.

You are not alone. :tinfoilhat:

[EFerrari]

28. I've started wearing mine to bed, just in case!

:tinfoilhat:

[KitchenWitch]

29. What is Alcoa trading at these days?

:tinfoilhat:

[Hand]

7. "Overheated shredders" was my first thought. nt

[baldguy]

8. 1st thing I thought of.

[Richard Steele]

9. Nope. Not even close to "the only one".

Once they start making claims about what was "DESTROYED",
I imagine you'll be in the majority with that opinion.
In the USA, not just on DU. :thumbsup:

[KitchenWitch]

13. I am to the point of getting physically ill whenever some new revelation comes across...

x(

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

11. There are a lot less suspicious...

...and more effective methods of destroying evidence than setting fire to the old executive office building.

[KitchenWitch]

18. Sure there are, but this is the same cabal that brought us the illegal wiretaps

they do not care about least amount of suspicion.

[JAbuchan08]

46. Sure, but maybe they're trying to "hide it in plain sight"

Try this one on for size: "Cheney couldn't have possibly lied about WMD in Iraq as a reason for invasion, after all he would have known that the invasion would prove him a liar - therefore he must have been stating what he thought to be the truth."

In this case it would be: "why on Earth would Dick Cheney light a fire in his office to destroy evidence? Surely he would know that this would be a supremely obvious way of doing it. Cheney is a smart man, there is no way that he would do anything that blatant."

[Lugnut]

74. I don't think they care that much.

So much of what they've done has been blatant they don't care how it looks.

[KoKo]

56. Well...the employees won't be back to work there for awhile

with so much smoke and water damage. If you needed to limit access it would be the best way to do it.

[kenfrequed]

65. Bingo.

It creates a situation where you can control access more thoroughly.

[kenfrequed]

64. Really?

And what would be the rationale for the accidental destruction?

What would you say?

Why not name five better ways of getting rid of evidence that won't generate suspicious questions. You can't merely claim that you "lost" them or that your dog ate your homework.

By the way, arent you the person that took me to task for going after Steny Hoyer and Rahm Emanuel?

Should I be surprised that you would be flacking for Bush here?

[tavalon]

102. KoKo01 nailed it

It isn't the fire tonight that matters, it's the limiting of access. There is a lot more access for the people who need to cover their tracks that way.

[kenfrequed]

105. I agree

It does seem more likely that way.

[tavalon]

100. True enough

But the thing is, they aren't even trying very hard these days. In the old days, people broke into places, nowadays Cheney and his ilk are so self assured, they aren't even phoning it in.

[liberal N proud]

12. It is the bu$h presidency and Cheney's ceremonial office

Put nothing past these assholes, NOTHING!

[DCKit]

91. "...Cheney's ceremonial office..."

IF there are claims of destroyed documents relating to ANY of the current scandals, I would have to ask "Who and why was anyone working with these particular documents in the VP's ceremonial office?"

I've done discovery (and would love to work on this case) and the LAST place you work on that kind of production is the company board room or the boss' office. No, they sequester the team in the basement with supervision and where they can ensure security. Anyone with discovery experience would tell you exactly the same thing.

There are thousands of people in the DC area who have worked on these kinds of cases and there are thousands of people in the DC area who will know in an instant that something is fishy if any claim is made that the documents Congress demanded had been destroyed.

[gateley]

14. I don't know what MIHOP means, but I'm guessing I'm thinking it was... nt

[kansasblue]

17. make it happen on purpose nt

[gateley]

30. Thanks - and yep, I agree! nt

[Usrename]

40. LIHOP - let it happen on purpose MIHOP make it happen on purpose

an then there's IHOP



:hi:

[gateley]

44. Thanks -- and thanks for the laugh! nt

[undeterred]

15. I think this belongs in the September 11 forum

with all doodoo respect. :evilgrin:

[KitchenWitch]

21. ...

:spank:

:rofl:

[MuseRider]

16. Personally

I don't think you even need that little hat for this one. I said in another thread that this is a perfect example of "the dog ate my homework" and anyone who does not at least question this is hiding their head in the sand IMO. This is their MO, if they can't get away with using national security for their reason or executive privilege then they have things disappear.

[spanone]

19. kick and Recommend

[Squatch]

20. Are you kidding?

Cheney was observed with bottles of Kingsford lighter fluid under his arm this AM.

[mooseprime]

23. ding ding ding ding ding!

you're a winner! thanks for playing "trash that democracy!"
i'm sure nothing important was destroyed in the fire. they've been burning the nation to the ground and treating our country like a fire sale for years now...finally the visuals match the reality.

[OneGrassRoot]

24. I think they're also timing these blatant MIHOP events to when KO....

is on vacation, stupidly thinking they'll avoid his wrath.

:evilgrin:

He may appear for a Special Comment about this one...or maybe Dan Abrams will pick up the slack.

Hell, the writers union may give Jon Stewart permission to come back as soon as possible so he can get in on this action!!!

[mwb970]

98. Dan Abrams has been on fire lately.

(No pun intended - really.) I wonder if he'll pick up on this one.

[DemGa]

25. Well let's see..they did manipulate us into a war

Now they wouldn't burn a few documents, etc.? Seems a little naive not to consider the possibility.

[EFerrari]

26. Not to put too fine a point on it, but the tape scandal goes back to Cheney.

He wanted the torture and his people are absent from the list of people who said "don't destroy them".

Now, a federal judge is ignoring DOJ and going forward.

:shrug:

[2beToby]

27. 5th Rec for you

you aren't the only one at all. If I had the money, I have double-ply tin foil at this point.

[Usrename]

32. Yep, two-ply with the shiny side out.

:tinfoilhat:

[cascadiance]

31. Did Darrell Issa visit the White House last night?

http://www.crackpots.org/isarson.htm

[BearSquirrel2]

34. DUUUHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

DUHHHH!!!!!!

[KitchenWitch]

36. LOL

:dunce:

[Marrah_G]

35. Of course it was set- o tin foil hat needed- just common sense

Either they burned evidence or they can claim it was burned if they are asked for it.

Since no one can investigate we will never know. Pretty smart on their part, very bad for the American people.

As in Chess, Cheney just said "Check" and then he did that ugly evil grin thing he does.

[onenote]

37. of course you aren't. But that doesn't mean you are right

A lot of posts are speculating that the fire was a cover to destroying Cheney's documents. But Cheney's working office's aren't in that building -- his working office is in the White House. He has a ceremonial office in the Exec. Office Building.

[rox63]

38. Tin foil is the IN look this year on all the fashion runways

I'll gladly join the shiny, tin-foil brigade right next to you. :hi:

[Hippo_Tron]

39. Does it even matter?

Burning documents is hardly the worst thing that these guys have done.

[Ganja Ninja]

41. That's just crazy talk.

What would make you think that just because this administration is under investigation for about a couple hundred different felony offenses that they would resort to arson to destroy incriminating documents or to cover the previous destruction of incriminating documents? How could you possibly think that of these fine public servants?

[KitchenWitch]

42. Where is your sarcasm tag?

:hi:

[B Calm]

43. Fine public servants... servants to who?

[Javaman]

45. isn't a given at this point? LOL nt

[KitchenWitch]

48. True, true!

[Ganja Ninja]

49. Destroyed in a fire.

:freak: :tinfoilhat:

[Control-Z]

47. Was there something other than

MIHOP I should have considered? Nothing else occurred to me.

Even stretching the imagination, I've never heard of Secret Service folk trained to investigate and determine an active fire "accidental" so fast and efficiently. These guys are good. Really. We need to get them out here working the So Cal fires. Shame on our guys for all the time and money they waste with their lengthy and thorough investigations.

Hi KW! :hi: How ya been?

[KitchenWitch]

51. Good to see you dA!

We survived our first wildfire out here.

I wish they would catch the mofo who set it (came within a mile of my house).

[Control-Z]

59. That is close.

We watched the fires burn from outside our house but were never in danger even if it felt as if we were at times. The smoke and ash got pretty intense - school district closed for 5 days. I can only imagine how bad it must have been for you. I am so glad you guys came through it OK.

[NoodleyAppendage]

50. Certain was convenient for them...wasn't it?

Nothing surprises me anymore with the criminal cabal in office right now.

J

[KitchenWitch]

54. Yah, I hate that nothing surprises me about them...

x(

[Parche]

52. eob

What is eob? :shrug:

[KitchenWitch]

55. Executive Office Building.

[suffragette]

53. Some interesting connections - current and historical

Historical:
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/brief-fire-occurs-white-house/story.aspx?guid=521A9963-9DAD-4F92-988D-0721D2EC3C8A&dist=SecEditorsPicks
The building, commonly called the Old Executive Office Building, has a long, colorful history. Several presidents had their offices in the building. It also housed the office of the secret White House plumbers, who engineered the break-in of the Democratic National Committee offices at the Watergate that ultimately forced President Richard Nixon to resign.


Current:
Had read this in the morning paper:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/344089_ciatapes19.html

Judge orders hearing on destruction of CIA tapes
Agency had been told to safeguard evidence

The ruling came amid news that at least four top White House lawyers took part in discussions with the CIA between 2003 and 2005 about whether to destroy the tapes, according to current and former administration and intelligence officials.

Those who took part, the officials said, included Alberto Gonzales, who served as White House counsel until early 2005; David Addington, who was the counsel to Vice President Dick Cheney and is currently his chief of staff; John Bellinger, who until January 2005 was the senior lawyer at the National Security Council; and Harriet Miers, who succeeded Gonzales as White House counsel.

Hmmm, so it's been reported that NSC's offices are in the building, I saw somewhere on DU earlier that White House counsel's offices are there (anyone can confirm that?) and Cheney's adjunct office was there (convenient to Addington, I'm sure).

Coincidence?
I'll be keeping this on:
:tinfoilhat:

[hisownpetard]

57. There were no important documents lost in that fire.

I'm sure that any documents that might have the slightest bearing on crimes committed by this administration
have long since been removed from Cheney's office.

The point of this fire was to establish a broad excuse to cover any and all information requested by committees and/or grand juries.
Dick "I-Lost-It-In-The-Fire" Cheney. Hey, you can't have the documents if they're gone, right? Pity!

Right. I hope and pray that somehow, during my lifetime, that guy gets put behind bars. I don't care if it's for jay-walking or tax evasion, as long as
it's for a long, long time. He makes me physically ill. They all do.

[Ganja Ninja]

61. Yup. It will be the standard answer from now on. n/t

[Tuesday Afternoon]

58. so weird.

My neighbor's house burned down and then the house trailer on his property suffered another fire, within a week time frame. I am supicious...now this. :tinfoilhat:

[abq e streeter]

60. Stop being paranoid

after all , have these people ever lied or destroyed evidence before? Oops, never mind...

[Mango Suede]

62. Sigh

Can you imagine the field day John Stewart and Comedy Central would have with this scenario Q*%*!)!

I support the writers, but SIGH . . .

[mmonk]

63. Something similar has happened before.

[Junkdrawer]

66. David Addington...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2498200

[in_cog_ni_to]

67. That's the first thing I thought. THEN, they report that the Fire Dept. INVESTIGATORS were not

allowed in the building to investigate. The SS stopped them. *Ahem* Did they need time to cover their sorry asses? Me thinks so!

[Bright Eyes]

68. To what end? NT

[paparush]

69. The Fire is a cover story...so they can claim "No, we cannot produce X,Y,and Z as it was destroyed

in the fire..."

[BrklynLiberal]

71. Yep. I am sure they were trying to "douse" the fire with incriminating documents before the fire

dept showed up.

[JuniperLea]

73. My first thought...

Was, what documentation were they recently compelled to hand over that burned up in this fire? OOOOPS!

[Bucky]

75. I don't see the point of them doing something so blatant.

Their sneakiness in the past has always been so full of skulking, headline-avoiding, and hidden in the shadows. It really goes against character type and modus operandi for them to do something so high profile and so likely to garner attention. I'm sure we'll find out in the days ahead that there's some 25 year old Bushbot who's been given too much responsibility and who was ignoring some basic safety precautions.

The last thing these punks do is to call attention to themselves. With this crowd, if it looks like a fuck up and quacks like a fuck up, you can safely bet that it is the basic fuck up it seems to be.

[earth mom]

93. No-everything * & Co does is calculated. That's why this stinks to high heaven as a MIHOP.

Yeah, they'll blame it on some NON EXISTENT 25 year old * bot. Because that's what they do best-LIE THEIR ASSES OFF & make up stories and try to make sh*t smell like roses.



Al Qaeda my a$$. :eyes:

[mile18blister]

76. MIHOP wouldn't surprise me. And it doesn't matter if anything was destroyed.

Let someone prove that a tape or document wasn't destoryed in the fire. That's when something really blantant like arson comes in handy. Our ony hope is if they outsourced the job to "Arsonists on Call" and paid by gov't credit card similar to what Scott Bloch did with his computer hard drive.

[Blashyrkh]

77. EVERYTHING they do is MIHOP. 9/11, Iraq, Katrina.

It's not incompentence if things go to plan. It's just that the "plan" we get told is full of shit.

[Marie26]

78. How's this for tinfoil?

Maybe it wasn't Cheney at all. Maybe someone was sending Cheney a warning message, akin to the Godfather. Cheney does deal with some shady sorts, after all.

[KitchenWitch]

79. I would feel more comfortable with that theory if it were a horse's head in Cheney's bed.

[Mike03]

81. I'm quite sure you are in good company. NT

[treestar]

82. My first thought

:tinfoilhat:

[The empressof all]

83. Well, Certainly it seems a little.....

Convienient...

Certainly made me go Mmmmmmmmmmm

[timtom]

85. I'm right there with ya, KW!

I'm amazed at how many times in the past 7 years I've invoked the phrase, "Now, THAT's one for Ripley!"

Coincidence after coincidence after coincidence after coincidence, etc.

I've never heard of a federal bldg. burn since 1812 (Pentagon, notwithstanding). And now THIS! Wow! Who'da ever thought?

And just in time, too.

[Elspeth]

92. Nope

We're all a little suspicious

[earth mom]

94. I am so wearing my hat.

:tinfoilhat:

[tom_paine]

95. 99% certainty Bushie Criminal Coverup

n/t

[tavalon]

96. You don't need a tinfoil hat for this one

It's too blatant.

[Perry Logan]

103. But I've got mine...

[kelliebrat]

104. When everyone I talked to says the same thing..

"Wonder what evidence they just got rid of now", you gotta wonder why they are still in office ya know?!:shrug:

[NoSheep]

106. The military should be busting down the doors and hauling them off to jail.

When will the troops be available to fight for our freedoms here at home?