Edwards or Kucinich?

[cboy4]

Poll question: Edwards or Kucinich?

Dang it, I like them both!!

[upi402]

1. Kucinich was right all along. And he HAS spine!

[stuartrida]

22. He was right to consider Ron Paul as VP! Right to vote against SCHIP! Right to vote for to recognize

"the Christian faith as one of the great religions of the world.”
Oh wait. He wasn't.

[Name removed]

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[cboy4]

48. Please don't crap all over my John Edwards/Dennis K.

appreciation thread.

Kucinich makes mistakes like all of the candidates, but for some reason, you've chosen to point them out in a nasty fashion.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

52. With All Due Respect, Cboy, There Was Actually Nothing Nasty About The Post.

It contained some sarcasm intended to make a point, but nothing nasty. It was just filled with a few facts that the poster was pointing to as reasons to not consider Dennis as almost perfect.

The presence of the sarcasm doesn't make the post nasty at all. In fact, it was probably a better post than many make in relation to a candidate they don't like. At least it contained real reasons, facts and substance as to WHY the poster was against the candidate.

[Triana]

2. ME too...

...I'm firmly in the Edwards camp due to that fu*cking "electability" thing (and I HATE it as much as anyone but it is the way it is, IMO). I'd LOVE to have them both, really.

THAT'd be a ticket from Heaven.

[edhopper]

3. Edwards would beat every

Repub now running. Kucinich is a really good guy, but has little chance of getting the nomination and would have a hard time winning the general.

[otherlander]

8. Aren't most people already decided

as to whether they're voting Dem or Rep? I keep hearing about this "center" but I'm not really seeing it. I know people who are liberal, people who are conservative, and people who are apolitical and won't vote, but I don't know that many people who would vote for a Presidential candidate from either party.

[edhopper]

42. If that were true

Why did we have Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Gore, Bush?

[Kansas Wyatt]

4. Fox News interrupts this poll for a special announcement.....

Joe Lieberman has just won the Democrat Party nomination.

[Hoof Hearted]

5. I would have to say I trust Kucinich more and believe him to be more genuine

Kucinich has been walking the talk a LOT longer. Plus, to be honest, some instinct deep inside me does not care much for Edwards. I would still totally support him as the D. candidate but . . . . .

[Pastiche423]

6. Wow, what a choice!

A warmonger

and

A peace monger

I choose Peace!

[cboy4]

9. How is Edwards a, what did you call him.....a "warmonger?"

I'm trying to learn and decide, so maybe you can explain why you think he his?

[Pastiche423]

17. He CO-SPONSORED and voted for the IWR

And, of course, always voted for funding while he was in the senate running for president.

[cboy4]

23. Oh yes, that is true and very disappointing. But, hopefully....

I'm not too naive in thinking he would not make such an egregious and devastating mistake again.

In my heart, I don't think he would.

Of course his other flaw is he's opposed to equal marriage, which really disappoints me as well.

However, I think he can eventually change his mind about that also.

His terrific wife and their smart daughter are both pro equal marriage.

I think that will eventually rub off on John.

Growing up in a family with two sisters and a mom, I know all about the influence of women. :)

So yea. If I do end up voting for Edwards, the bottom line is I believe I'll sleep just fine at night.

[Pastiche423]

24. Do you even know about his other votes?

Have you even checked on his ADA ratng?

Are you o-kay w/him selecting a republic cabinet?

He was my senator the 1st two years of his term. He did not listen to his constituents. Would not return emails, letters or phone calls. He would not have been re-elected to the senate.

I am literally amazed at people that believe this snake oil salesman, yet seem to know nothing of his votes in the only public office he's ever held.

[cboy4]

29. Yes, I understand he has flaws, but I'm hoping he's

evolving into a better politician by learning.

In my opinion, you're a little over the top in your disdain.

Example: Calling him s snake oil salesman.

I think that's an adjective that's better directed toward the horrible Republic candidates.

I still may vote for DK, but if not, I'll be satisfied with choosing Edwards. :)

[Pastiche423]

30. I have always lived by the adage

Watch what they do, not what they say.

As this applies to johnnyboy, he does not walk his talk.

[goodgd_yall]

15. Tis the gift to be simple

but not simplistic.

[Pastiche423]

18. Nothing is simplistic

about co-sponsoring and voting for little lord pissypants' genocide.

[TahitiNut]

7. Has Edwards resigned from the DLC yet?

You know ... the organization of which Lieberman was the Chairman? (I like Edwards, but that bothers me about him.)

[cboy4]

12. Well, there are things that bother me about all of the

candidates.

However, I would never use the name Lie-berman in the same breath as Edwards.

But that's just me.

[TahitiNut]

20. "Lieberman" and "DLC" have been virtually synonymous terms for over 10 years.

The DLC and Al From actually worked on Lieberman's "Independent Democrat" campaign after Lamont won the primary. Lieberman was the Chair of the DLC for six years, prior to Evan Bayh. I find Liebermans' behavior, even in endorsing McCain, to be completely consistent with his DLC role ... and Al From's rush to repudiate it today is sheer window-dressing.

Edwards' past(?) membership in the DLC is, as far as I'm concerned, bothersome.

Despite that, he's my second choice among that array of candidates - one that I can actually vote for.

[readmoreoften]

26. Yes that past DLC connection worries me as well. But not as much as Obama or Hillary.

But I can't vote for Obama or Clinton. (Didn't Obama have a DLC connection in the past too?) So it's Edwards or DK. I'd love to go for DK and I still might vote for him if there isn't much hope by March 3rd (my primary date.)

[Selatius]

32. Obama wasn't with the DLC as far as I know. He requested his name be removed from their list.

In May 2003 the centrist Democratic Leadership Council published its yearly list of "100 New Democrats to Watch." The DLC frequently puts out these lists as a way to publicly solidify its identification with the New Democratic movement within the Democratic Party. The 2003 list, however, contained a number of questionable additions, including then-Illinois State Senator Barack Obama. As a state senator, Obama had continually passed progressive legislation--a record that he vowed to add to when he began his run for the US Senate on a platform of clear opposition to the Patriot Act, the Iraq War and NAFTA, all positions anathema to the DLC. The puzzling addition caused The Black Commentator magazine to wonder, a month after the DLC list came out, whether Obama had been "corrupted" by the centrist group. Obama's reply to the Commentator was indicative of how the DLC plays the "New Democrat" card.

"Neither my staff nor I have had any direct contact with anybody at the DLC since I began this campaign a year ago," Obama wrote. "I don't know who nominated me for the DLC list of 100 rising stars, nor did I expend any effort to be included on the list.... I certainly did not view such inclusion as an endorsement on my part of the DLC platform." After realizing that his name appeared in the DLC's database, Obama asked to have it removed. The message was clear: The DLC needed Obama a lot more than Obama needed the DLC.

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0304-27.htm

[cboy4]

43. I've not included Obama as part of my poll because

I'm not happy he selfishly embraced a notorious homophobe, despite warnings it would cause grief.

But I do know there are plenty of other threads in which you can brag about the Senator from Illinois.

Thanks for understanding Selatius.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

10. Both!

:9

[old guy]

11. I would vote for Kucinich because I want to.,

I would vote for Edwards if I had to.

[cboy4]

13. Yup. I think that's what it's going to come down to for me.

I'll be voting on Tsunami Tuesday, so I'll have been closely monitoring the outcomes in Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina.

[DesertRat]

14. Kucinich. I'm voting for peace. n/t

[Evergreen2U]

16. difficult

I prefer Kucinich and I voted for Edwards....I like them both & donated to both.

Even tho it is a meaningless little poll...it was still difficult to do because a few weeks ago I would have voted for Kucinich...and now... it is Edwards. I think I have relegated Kucinich to the also ran, don't stand a chance list already.

[upi402]

19. Do you watch TV news?

I'm wondering why the one guy who shares the views of the vast majority of Dems and a slight majority of all Americans - is such an 'also ran'. I can't see any other cause for such a view, but it's veru common for some reason.

Not flaming, truly curious.

[robbedvoter]

21. One sponsored the war, one opposed it - one does it, one speechifies it

No difference, indeedy :shrug:

[Kucinich4America]

25. Dennis!

:bounce:

[cboy4]

31. Get out!

You support Kucinich?!!?

[Hotler]

28. I think Kucinich is the only one that talks about.....

putting the neocons on trial and sending them to jail. That's my man right there. The neocons are traitors. I think treason during a time of war is a hanging offense????

[timtom]

33. Doesn't Edwards look like such a nice young man?

And I'm sure he is.

Kucinich has been constant in the support of values and issues most important to me throughout this national nightmare.

'Tis clear, all so.

Kucinich it is then, me merry Democratic mates.

[cboy4]

47. It really hasn't bothered me, but his comment about

Ron Paul was not smart.

He's lost votes because of it, as some have written.

But he's still a good man for sure.

[timtom]

50. I'm a little disappointed in those issues

but my solution right now is to close my eyes, put my fingers in my ears and scream real loud, "La la la la -- I can't hear you!"

In other words, I'm avoiding the issue.

Why?

I don't know.

The deal breakers for me are still get out if Iraq, stay out of Iran, dismantle all this bullshit "anti-terrorism" that has been implemented in the past seven years, etc.

I don't believe he'd really pick Ron Paul as his running mate.

And as for the Christian thing...well, the jury's out on that one. I don't see it as Congress making any laws about religion. Just seems to be a statement of recognition. I would have expected one of those for every religion in America. But it's not important to me.

[deacon]

34. Edwards '08 n/t

[Inchworm]

35. I would druther pick based on who I want

but the fact is I need to pick on who would easily win.

:hi:

[Echo In Light]

36. DK all the way!

[weeve]

37. No loser here ...

Kucinich for the HEART ...


Edwards for the PRESIDENCY !!!

[eridani]

38. Where Edwards has gotten to now, Kucinich was years ago.

Dennis is leading the way. If his direction is where you want the party and the country to be going, vote for him. Keep asking for a pony, even if you'll eventually accept a kitten.

[Orsino]

41. I'll settle for a pony...

...but Kucinich is a real donkey. He gives me hope for the Democratic Party.

[mirrera]

39. Both... see sticker:

[cboy4]

44. Oh, now that's a great looking sticker!!

:)

[mirrera]

46. I have done lots of combos (in the name of capitalism), but

I skipped hillary for some reason. I think because at first I felt like she was getting all the attention. The Edwards/ Kucinich is my favorite, but after yesterday's hearing Edwards/ Dodd is good too.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

40. Maybe I'll vote Republican ...

I'd vote for Edwards, but I don't think Michigan delegates will be allowed to vote at the Democratic convention. The date-shuffling has annoyed the powers-that-be.

So I might as well vote in the Republican primary. Let's see, who would we like to run against. Maybe I'll vote for Fred.

:hi:

[cboy4]

49. Hopefully you won't take your bitterness/anger out on

John Edwards.

Ya know? :)

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

54. Wasn't meant to be bitter/angry

If my vote is meaningless in the Democratic primary because MI can't participate, then I'm just looking to do mischief with the Republican ballot. Nominate a loser. Fred.

In the Nov 08 election, it'll be a vote for whichever Democrat is on the ticket.

Edwards would be my choice among the front-runners, since Kucinich's chances are virtually nil.

[cboy4]

55. Right on. I was simply curious between Edwards and

Kucinich, which you just answered and why.

And looking to "do mischief with the Republican ballot(?)"

You know, how can I not admire that line of thinking! ;)

[flvegan]

45. Kucinich. Easily.

[porphyrian]

51. You guys'll have to pick for me, my primary vote won't count. -n/t

[cboy4]

56. And that sucks. But who do you like better between the

two, despite your presumably late primary?

Hey, "at least" your vote does count here!!

[porphyrian]

57. Not late, too early and punished for it - Florida.

My first pick is Kucinich, but I'd be happy with either as President right now.

[Toasterlad]

53. Wait....Didn't Stone Phillips Say I Had to Vote for Hillary???

[bean fidhleir]

58. Kucinich, of course

One thing is for sure: any time you don't vote for the one you want, it takes 2 votes by smarter people to reverse your stupid choice.

[B Calm]

59. Looks as though Edwards is our strongest candidate!

[redqueen]

60. Kucinich. He's the only one I trust.