Call me a prude, judgemental or whatever and flame away, but

[boston bean]

I never tried cocaine in any form.

Snorting, shooting, or smoking coke is a long way from smokin a few joints.

We bash * for being a coke head in his younger days, but democratic candidates deserve a free pass?

[porphyrian]

1. We bash bush for being a piece of shit traitor and total fuckhead.

Pointing out that he also did a bunch of coke simply supports the assertion by highlighting his hypocrisy.

[boston bean]

2. I'm not giving him a pass for anything. I can't stand the idiot. and everything you say

is true.

But I believe I also have a valid point.

[porphyrian]

17. Of course you have a valid point. I just don't think cocaine use is either the biggest sin...

...or the focus of most peoples' criticisms of the guy.

[boston bean]

18. I think its gonna play

big if he is in the general.

There are many questions to be answered, and a couple lines in a book aint gonna answer them.

And I think we should know everything about it before the dems take a chance on him in the general.

[porphyrian]

23. I meant bush, but yes, I agree. -n/t

[zanne]

57. Obama took the air out of it when he freely admitted it.

He wasn't a hypocrite about it, said it aloud to a bunch of high school kids, and didn't make any excuses for it. I think it'll backfire on Hillary people. Voters actually LIKE that he told the truth without trying to smooth it over. It was impressive.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

114. It moved me closer to him as a choice

Im still on the Edwards / Obama fence but damn if I dont love honesty in a politician.

Straight up, no excuses, no muddying the issue honesty..

Hillary has *never* given that and I hope the voters realize how precious and rare a commodity it is..

[elehhhhna]

3. Jeez! I'm not Obama's biggest fan BUT he wasn't drunk & high through his frikkin 40's

like some Prezzydents we know.

[boston bean]

5. well, I made it through my highschool and college years without ever doing it

and I am sure a lot of others have too.

I can't be the only one, can I?

[Kahuna]

13. Does everybody have to be exactly like you?

What a very boring world that would be.

[boston bean]

16. uhm no, but I do have a right to judge people by their actions.

Do I know people that did cocaine, yes.

But because they admit it, it makes them ok to be president.

I don't think so. It is indicative of very poor judgement.

Plus, do we know if he snorted, smoked or shot it up?

These will be the questions asked by the republicans if he gets the nod.

[blogslut]

20. So, that rules out alcoholics too right?

Your logic is failing you.

[boston bean]

22. yes, I do not think alcoholics should be president. NEVER, we already got one.

[blogslut]

25. We've had more than one, my dear

But I'm done with this. Your intent is transparent and I shall not play.

[boston bean]

26. I have no intent other than to try and have a conversation with people

about this.

I do believe that doing cocaine is poor judgement.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

118. And

"I do believe that doing cocaine is poor judgement."

I do believe voting for the war in Iraq and helping to set the stage for Iran is poor judgemnet demonstrated by Hillary.. Which was more recent coke or iraq?

[slowry]

28. We're talking about a teenager who felt lost... not everyone is as perfect as you. n/t

[boston bean]

30. by no means am i perfect. I made good decisions and bad decisions in my life.

I still make them now.

But I don't break the law and have never snorted, smoked, or shot up cocaine.

[slowry]

33. Good for you. Now, go run for president, because you're so much better than him. n/t

[boston bean]

36. Is that the best you can do. I mean aren't there other candidates you can think of that might be

better besides little ol me?

;)

[catnhatnh]

46. You said "I don't break the law"

so without any grass smoking experience,how do you consign him to a lower ring of hell than pot heads???

[boston bean]

49. Well, I do believe pot should be legalized, cocaine is a different story in my book.

I do not do marijuana either and can count on two fingers the times I did. So when I say I do not break the law, i do not. And in my op you can see I make a clear distinction.

I did not really like it, but I do believe we should not prosecute people for using it for many reasons.

I don't think that is an uncommon viewpoint. Do you?

[Kahuna]

54. Your book, your judgement, your this, your that....

Sheesh...:eyes:

[boston bean]

93. Well what do you base your opinions on, they are your thoughts and judgements right, we disagree. n

[catnhatnh]

60. No...

...and I do get the distinction, I would like to remind people that "way back when", when EVEN YOU blew smoke, other people were trying other things....I didn't like grass either-I became an acid and speed freak. But once you accept that societal no-no's are horseshit and move beyond those bounds I think you lose your right to a moral opinion of other peoples milieu without being in their shoes and in their times...

Editted because of premature postingazation (was spellchecking "millieu")

The period referred to were the years when some eschewed drugs,some tried and stayed with their first love and others tried them all.Outcomes vary, but neither of us have worked up to national office...I think that tells me all I have to know...

[cali]

76. oh bully for you.

I couldn't give a shit if Obama experimented with drugs, including cocaine, during his teen years, and I don't agree it will be a big deal if he gets the nomination.

[shanti]

86. thank you!

:eyes:

[SusanaMontana41]

127. "I don't break the law"

So you've never changed lanes without signaling?
Had a headlight out, but driven anyway?
Slowed, but not stopped completely, at a stop sign?
Made a right on a red without stopping?

I call bullsh*t.

[Djinn]

65. Poor judgement

why?

[Skittles]

82. oh dear

did you ever make ANY MISTAKES ???

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

117. Wow youre stretching it

"But because they admit it, it makes them ok to be president."

No because he has about the best platform and is one of the only people talking about taking stuff back from the corporations for the people (rather than just accepting stuff from them to fund a white house bid) he is ok to be president... The fact he used cocaine is *completely* irrelevant..

[zanne]

59. Do you have a gold star on your forehead?

At what age did you lose your virginity? I mean, as long as you're being morally judemental, you won't mind answering the question, right? Have you ever struck anyone? Do you masturbate often? I could go on and on....

[emilyg]

71. You're NOT the only one.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

102. good for you, someone should crown you for that.

:eyes:

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

116. I made it through my college years

without smoking pot, does that make me more qualified than you?

[Marrah_G]

130. You aren't the only one

[Little Star]

31. How do you know?

I'm not trying to be funny but if he sold it or used until his grown years there will be a lot to lose for us in the general election. We need those answers like yesterday. If he is pure what's the harm in saying so. He opened the door in his book but forgot to tell the whole story. If we don't find out first, the R's will surely find out when it's to late if he gets the Dem nod! He needs to just answer the questions, now not later. I hope he only used coke till he was 14 but we all need to know the real answer of when he stopped doing all drugs. I hope he never sold coke but we need to know that answer now for the good of the whole party. This is a ticking time bomb and the R's are ready to light the fuse in the general election fight, if they can find any proof. He never answered these questions in his book and we have a right to know what we are buying in this primary.

[Kahuna]

55. Forgot to tell the whole story?

:eyes:

[sandnsea]

4. He's bashed for being a hypocrite about it

And pretending it didn't happen.

And in some circles, snorting a line wasn't far away from a joint at all. I never did it either, but I don't find any big deal with anybody who did.

[enlightenment]

6. I believe the issue is honesty

isn't it? More than the use of the drug, it's the willingness to admit it. Like most things, when people talk in sound bites rather than fully explicating their point of view, that pov gets lost in the rhetoric.

I'm not bashing, btw - I never tried cocaine either (wasn't my drug of choice, back in the long-ago day.)

[CoffeeCat]

7. I'm unclear about...

...the extent of the cocaine use. Did he try it once? Was he
a regular user for a prolonged period of time?

I think those are valid questions.

I also understand your concern. I think cocaine is much more serious
than smoking a joint.

Yes, we bash JUnior for being a coke head, but it's never been clear to
me that Obama was a "coke head".

I'm not a die-hard Obama supporter, so I'm not making excuses. However, it's
my understanding that he's not asking for a free pass. He's being honest.
He provided the information about his teenage drug use, without any provocation.
He's not asking anyone for anything...just providing the information.

[MikeNearMcChord]

8. Personally I wish these politicians would just

come clean and declare the war on drugs a total failure and take the justice system out of it. The only reason for this madness is to subsidize the prison industry complex, plus pander to the base Right Wing.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

9. Nobody is clear of skeletons in their closet.....

... there's always something, be it drugs or something else. Nobody is perfect, so why demand perfection of others if we ourselves are not?

[TomInTib]

10. No, because the Idjit is a hypocritical, lying mofo.

At least Obama admitted his coke use.

Easy for me to say. I substituted a years-long affair with coke for a replacement of a more-years-than-that addiction to the Really Bad Sh*t.

Short of Child Molestation, I pretty much do not care what may be in someone's past as long as they are up-front about it.

[elehhhhna]

14. very well said. thank you.

[blogslut]

11. Good for you

However, you must note that Senator Obama fully disclosed his prior drug use, unlike Bush. In other words, this isn't about past mistakes. This about lying about past mistakes.

Personally, having lived through the 80's and having done my fair share of blow, I think they all did it back in the day. Even Hillary.

[Vincardog]

12. jr was a drunk and an addict for most of his life. That is not the problem. The problem is

that he is a hypocritical lying nut job who has aided and abetted the radical Reich in their hijacking of our country and their effort to remake it into Hitler's dream.

[swag]

15. Hm.

"Snorting, shooting, or smoking coke is a long way from smokin a few joints."

Well, the substances are quite different in their actions upon the nervous system, but I would say that "smokin a few joints" can be far more disorienting than snorting a few lines.

But maybe that's what you meant.

[Der Blaue Engel]

19. I never tried it either

But I don't think it makes me superior or more moral or smarter than anyone else.

I think there's a huge difference between admitting to drug experimentation, of whatever category, and being a known addict. Addicts tend to exhibit poor judgment, are easy to blackmail, and will generally do anything to get a fix.

As for coke being "a long way from smoking a few joints"? I think you've read too much anti-drug propaganda. Coke used to be a common stimulating ingredient in, well, Coke.

[Webster Green]

21. So the substances you approve of are OK, while others are not?

That's pretty fucking lame.

I like drugs. They're great fun. Pot and heroin are my favorites.

I only did coke for about 20 years, but have no interest in it anymore.

Who gives a shit if someone tried drugs? Big fucking deal!

[boston bean]

24. I think cocaine use goes beyond youthful experimentation.

that's my opinion.

[slowry]

34. "Prude" is far too generous a term, for the position you're taking in this thread. n/t

[boston bean]

37. what words were you thinking of? nt

[Webster Green]

Who cares? It feels good!

Nothing like getting laid when you're high as fuck on coke.

Acid is nice for sex too. You should try it!

[Kahuna]

58. Well...Somebody had to say it..

Glad it was you and not me.

:evilgrin:

[emilyg]

73. Are you bragging? Unreal.

[Webster Green]

81. Bragging?.......WTF?........I didn't invent coke or acid..

Are you out of your mind?

[Moses2SandyKoufax]

83. No,

he just doesn't feel the need to lie about it, or evade the question when asked. Unlike a certain candidate's husband........

BTW, if you think Bill and Hill, given the generation in which they grew up, are as pure as the Vermont snow, I've got a bridge to sell ya.

[Djinn]

67. and it's a completely illogical one

If I smoke pot for 20 years it's youthful experimentation but if I do blow once it's a sign of nefariousness or poor judgement??

If you have never done coke what on earth are you basing this on?

[Lurking Dem]

96. Why?

No, seriously - why?

Where does the idea that two substances, both naturally derived, are so inherently different from a morality standpoint?

Marijuana, coca leaves, poppies, mushrooms....

I don't get it.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

100. yeah clearly cos my trying it twice when i was 19-20, makes it a habit

:eyes:

[fishwax]

104. what's that opinion based on?

:shrug:

[lunatica]

27. I didn't do any of this till I was in my thirties

And I refuse to judge people for doing any of it and I think too many choose to pretend they're so innocent that they can judge everyone else. There's a reason why cocaine is such a money maker for third world countries and cartels. The consumers are who keep these markets going. We, in general, are the consumers and if we want to judge the users then it doesn't take much more than a look in the mirror for some of us. The stupidity come in when we all act as if the cartels and the suppliers are somehow separate from the users. Who is the trully evil, if such a thing exists. I want to know what exactly is so bad about pot or cocaine. Legal or illegal it's still used by people in all walks of life and at every economic level. Don't you ever wonder how many DOW JONES millionaires are also cocaine junkies?

I quit doing cocaine because I'm allergic to it and have a bad reaction. If it gave me the edge it gives others I would still snort it. My point? It's more common than hypocrites will admit.

[boston bean]

29. I won't argue with you, I agree with almost everything you write.

But Obama I do believe that snorting cocaine is above smoking joints.

He is running for president, not dog catcher.

[lumberjack_jeff]

120. The OP isn't judging "everyone else"

She's judging the merits of candidates for the office of President of the United States. It is her job.

I've never tried it, but I have lots of friends who did. I wouldn't vote for them for President either.

[slowry]

32. I guess -- following your logic -- you're more suited to be president than Mr. Obama.

[boston bean]

35. That's right, Massdemm for Prez!!!!

But really, do you know the whole story of his drug use?

Did he snort, smoke or shoot up?

This is going to make all the difference in the general election.

He needs to be more open. A few lines in a book is not enough, now that he has admitted it.

It seems he tried to innoculate himself, but the republicans are going to go after him on this.

If you do know please let me know.

[slowry]

38. He shot it into his left testicle, with a syringe fashioned from human bone. n/t

[boston bean]

39. are you mad or something? nt

[slowry]

41. Nah, just having a bit of fun. Think I'm done, for now ;) n/t

[dorkulon]

40. I tried coke; it was fun. Big effin' deal.

Your lack of experience does not impress me.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

129. ..

:thumbsup:

[JVS]

42. You have a legitimate point. Also it seems like every successive president gets more of a pass

Clinton was forced to claim not to have inhaled (which makes him either a liar or a moron in my book, not someone who is only slightly guilty), Bush never even got asked about Marijuana and rumor circulated about him being Chimpy McCokespoon, and now Obama admits former cocaine usage and we're supposed to be able to gloss over 8 years of ripping Bush for it.

[lumberjack_jeff]

119. Exactly.

I don't expect the President of the United States to be perfect, but I do expect them to be better, smarter and more disciplined than me.

[Evergreen Emerald]

43. I know...do you know we put people in prison for doing that!

I am confounded at the double standard.

[sarge43]

44. OK, doing coke is wrong, but

there is a difference between a teenager experimenting (and who among us didn't do at least one incredibly stupid thing between 13 and 19?) and a man in his mid-twenties (* was 26 when he blew off his flight physical) with a military commission, a fighter pilot, PRP qualified. Which was suppose to have more judgment and control? Who could have done more damage?

[gmudem]

56. Why is it "wrong"? Define "wrong"

If he a person chooses to put something into their own body, why shouldn't they be able to do it?

[emilyg]

75. Well for one - it's illegal.

[shanti]

87. omg, you sound like my mother!

(and i'm hardly young) can't even have a discussion about WEED, "but it's ILLEGAL"!!! :eyes:

[lumberjack_jeff]

121. Illegal is a bad thing.

:eyes: especially for presidents 'n stuff.

[gmudem]

124. So is gay marriage in many states.

Is that wrong as well?

[sarge43]

91. I think it's wrong to do coke. If you don't, your choice. n/t

[Joe Chi Minh]

45. Has George been caught at the wheel of his snowmobile again?

[Blue-Jay]

47. OK. You're a judgemental prude.

[boston bean]

50. OK.

[Moses2SandyKoufax]

84. And a self-righteous blowhard! n/t

[La Lioness Priyanka]

101. what he said.

[treestar]

48. Everybody deserves a free pass as long as they aren't an addict

It's too easy to end up trying something of the kind if you were born after 1945. But good for you for not trying it out. You didn't miss anything worthwhile.

[MrSlayer]

51. Bah. Cocaine is fine if you can handle it.

It's the people that don't know how to take drugs that ruin it for everyone else. There's a big difference between a casual user and a cokehead.

[Dark]

52. Obama owned up to it and is using it to help educate students.

Bush still won't answer whether he's used it.

That's the difference.

[boston bean]

92. What the hell gives him the right to educate students about it.

I mean really.

You can do coke in your young days and run for president. It will all be ok if you try it or use it regularly.

I stopped, ya see and I came out ok.

Not a message I want for my kids, thanks anyways. Some people never come out of it.

[Lurking Dem]

98. Yes it is horrible,

just HORRIBLE, for someone who made mistakes in his life to won up to them and then tell children that A.) it was a mistake and B.) through hard work, cracking the books, and setting golas one can overcome those mistakes and redeem themselves.

Whatever was he thinking???

[NorthernSpy]

110. uh, the fact that he went on to make something of his life?

Nobody handed anything to Obama. Anything he's achieved, he's had to work for.

Unlike GWB, who inherited money and position. Or Hillary, who married her way to the top.

[ileus]

53. anyone on our side deserves a pass...no matter what.

[Cha]

61. You're bringing up bushit

when it's not even relevant..your strawman is disingenuous.

[Pastiche423]

62. You are a prude, judgmental and have no experience to know

if it is bad judgment or not.

You claim you've done nothing illegal, yet admit to trying marijuana. (Post #49) You do know, do you not, that only two states have Medical Marijuana laws and Mass ain't one of them?

Can you say, contradictory?

[IsItJustMe]

63. This may be true, but what have you done in your life. Sure there is something, unless you are

Jesus or Buddah. I wouldn't call you judgemental, but if you can't find it in your heart to forgive other people for past mistakes, I would call you either a hypocrit or in-human.

On edit: As it says in the book, "Those without sin, cast the first stone". Are you stone thrower?

[boston bean]

94. He is running for president, he's not just some joe schmoe on the street. We all

have to make judgements about people we are going to vote for.

[IsItJustMe]

95. For gods sakes, it was drug use in his youth. Not to many people I know didn't do stupid things in

their youth. I am not one of his supporters, but drug usage in his youth is not something I would base a vote on. You need to see the big picture of where these candidates want to take this country.

If we all sat around nit picking these people, we would never vote for anybody because none of them are perfect, and neither are you or I.

[boston bean]

115. I an no Hillary supporter!!!!

Never have be Never have been!!!!!!!!!

[Djinn]

64. Good for you

plenty of people have and lead well adjusted lives, why do you care?

[rAVES]

66. What if his rampant Cocaine snorting turns into Baby eating once in office?

all valid questions, and remember, your opinion is never wrong.. biased and perhaps homeschooled.. but not wrong *pats your head*

[pink-o]

68. W was in the National Guard, and went AWOL so he wouldn't have to take the drug test

...then thanx to Daddy's influence, he got out of it. He now presents himself as this righteous Born-Again and the media doesn't even go after him.

Bill Clinton said he "didn't inhale" marijuna. Talk about a dodge!

So for me, it's refreshingly honest to hear a candidate be honest about past drug use. I understand where Barak is coming from, because I did the same thing. I'm happy for you that you never experimented with cocaine, but many of us did and that doesn't make us lesser people. By the time I was 28 I'd given up every vice under the sun, except for my cafe latte habit, which I have to this day. I made a radical change, I became a health nut and have stuck with it since then. Today is my 53rd birthday, and I'm an ovo-lacto vegetarian, I work out and have great blood pressure and cholestrol numbers.

I say this because the person I am now would hate to be judged by past drug use. That was so long ago, another life time and I don't have any residuals left from those days--only a past mistake that I've since rectified.

Are you the kind of person who won't give someone a second chance if s/he fucks up? Or is it only drugs that offend your sensibilites so much that you've drawn and quartered all of us and declare that we should never run for public office?

[provis99]

69. to all the cokeheads:

I guess people won't judge your massive ingestion of cocaine if you don't judge hunters' love of hunting. Fair?

[yardwork]

70. Yeah, well I tried cocaine. Sometime when I was around 20 - and I'm a year older than Obama.

Snorting coke was NOT a long way from smoking a few joints back in the late 1970s. It just wasn't that big a deal. And no, I didn't get addicted. And no, I didn't do it more than once or twice. And neither did Obama.

It just doesn't matter. Obama wasn't a "cokehead" and he doesn't appear to have any substance abuse problems at all now - as opposed to the idiot in the White House.

[emilyg]

77. How do you know how many times

Obama did it.?

[NorthernSpy]

112. who gives a shit?

:shrug:

[yardwork]

125. I'm taking his word for it. He was honest enough to talk about it in his bio.

I'm willing to take him at his word. And besides, Obama doing coke back in the 1970s doesn't matter to me one bit. It has no relevance to his current abilities. None.

[proud2BlibKansan]

72. We bash * for lying about it

Big difference here.

And for the record, I never believed for a minute that Clinton didn't inhale.

[EFerrari]

79. Maybe he didn't. Maybe it was in brownies.

:rofl:

[proud2BlibKansan]

80. Nah he was a poor college student

Brownies take too much reefer. Way too expensive.

He probably had a little one hitter and just barely inhaled small hits. :)

[Chovexani]

74. No, we bash Chimpy for being a fullblown cokehead in his FORTIES

And trying to pass it off as "youthful indiscretions". Sheet, he's still a fucking alcoholic.

If we make it a law that no one can run for president if they did drugs in college, we'd be left with maybe five people that could run, for either party.

Fortunately we are voting for a Dem nominee for president, not Saint or Pastor (regardless of all the religious grandstanding that's going on).

[EFerrari]

78. Why is doing coke different than smoking?

Maybe we should require people to attest to every stupid thing they did as a teen so it can ruin the rest of their life. Would that make you happy?

[Withywindle]

85. Did you read the book?

"some blow if we could afford it."

Doesn't sound like he made it a hobby - it hardly merits much mention in his memoir at all. Someone who does coke a few times in their life is not the same thing as an addict.

I've done it. Didn't like it all that much so I never "pursued" it. :shrug: I don't see the big deal. Almost everyone I know in RL has tried it once or twice.

[Bluebear]

88. "Some blow if we could afford it" just doesn't sound Presidential.

Did he write those words recently?

[Withywindle]

123. He first published the book in 1995

And he was talking about his adolescence, in the 70s.

The book's written in a very novelistic, conversational way.

[NuttyFluffers]

89. i will give any candidate carte blanche for past drug infractions, period.

i will joke about it and them whenever the mood strikes me, period.

i will vote each and every time for a candidate that actively seeks to dismantle and destroy our War on Drugs, period.

i will now proceed to listen to the rest of this topic with bemused blase'. oops, forgot about the "period."

[JCMach1]

90. I agree, Obama is close to my age and I always considered

Coke off limits no matter how drunk (or even stoned) I may have been.

It raises a red flag for me in terms of his judgement...

[La Lioness Priyanka]

97. well i have and it doesnt make me a bad person. using coke does not make bush a bad person either,

nor any other candidate, it makes them human.

using coke and then passing yourself of as holier than thou however makes you a huge hypocrite

on edit: you are a prude.

[bunkerbuster1]

99. How old are you?

I can only speak for my generation, and report that in the late 70s/early 80s, snorting coke was NOT a "long way from smokin' a few joints." It was a bit more expensive a hobby, true, but it wasn't considered terribly dangerous, and the penalties for possession of a small amount weren't anywhere near as onerous as they were to become.

For my part, I wasn't very attracted to the substance because it seemed to turn otherwise tolerably OK people into flaming assholes.

[fishwax]

103. I won't call you a prude, but your logic is pretty horrible

I never tried cocaine, either, but I recognize the difference between someone refusing to answer any questions about it and another person owning up to it and attempting to educate others about what they see as their own mistakes.

[Vinca]

105. What's next? If a candidate wet his pants until he was 8 will that be

a campaign issue? Obama had a troubled youth, turned to drugs (as many of us did and do), woke up before he was found laying on a bar room floor imitating a cockroach (like a certain sitting POTUS)and made a very successful life for himself. He even recognizes the Constitution. Give it a rest. Isn't it more interesting that Saint Hillary was a Goldwater Girl? Is that why she leans to the right so often?

[immoderate]

106. It's the war on drugs that's wrong.

Sounds like you're caught up in it. Appears you're immune to logic.

--IMM

[ProfessorGAC]

132. You Summed Up My Sentiments, Perfectly

Thanks, IMM.
The Professor

[aintitfunny]

107. The problem with Bush's drug use is the LYING and the

hypocrisy. We should appreciate a candidate who admits an error in judgment, especially in his or her youth and learns from it. Otherwise we just encourage more lies. I am not currently supporting Obama's candidacy, but self-righteousness on this issue is downright silly.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

108. Democrats get a free pass?

This is one reason I don't run for President.

I'd have to explain all the marijuana, coke, acid, mescaline, beer that I consumed in my younger days.

Maybe even apologize for all that, as if I did something wrong.

Who needs a job like that? Phooey!

:hi:

(There could be other reasons I don't run for president)
:rofl:

[SoCalDem]

109. I graduated in 1967 and I never even had marijuana

:rofl:

[NorthernSpy]

111. Hillary's support is plummeting among blacks...

Maybe invidious shit like this is part of the reason why.


Do you have any idea how many people you're alienating with this stuff?


Speaking for myself, when Hillary's people started resorting to race-baiting, they made it impossible for me to support her. For me, it's a simple matter of conscience.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

113. We dont bash bush because of coke

we bash him because hes an ass who lies about it. (well and the fact he is an ass in general)

[smoogatz]

122. Coke was everywhere in the '80s.

If you were upper-middle class or richer, powdered cocaine was hard to avoid: people brought it to every party, every club, every social event. The workplace was rife with it, too, depending what kind of job you had. And the mythology around it--that it wasn't harmful--was pretty much universally accepted. Nobody really thought coke was a problem until crack came along and poor blacks started losing their minds.

[roseBudd]

126. As someone with a lot of experience let me say this...

When I was young I was around people who I realize especially now in hindsight were addictive personalities, they did drugs to an extent that they would try any drug and I noticed they would wake up the next day and do it again. Because I was around those people I also tried, but thank goodness I lack the addictive personality so it was just trying. It didn't continue, it didn't cause me to waste years of my life or harm others. That is the way I perceive Obama's drug use.

Bush on the other hand is represented by all the people I know who imbibed to excess, regardless of the consequences and then got up and did the exact same thing the next day FOR DECADES

[slackmaster]

128. I'd give GWB a pass on it too

If he was honest about it.

[PVnRT]

131. Obama is also open about it

Unlike Bush. That's the difference.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

133. Okay, you get your goody-goody cookie. Now go away. nt