Which group takes the most punishment here at DU?

[porphyrian]

Poll question: Which group takes the most punishment here at DU?

It is my experience that there are certain trends here, one of which is the following:
- "newsworthy" event occurs
- people post for/against someone or some group involved in the "newsworthy" event
- other people post about how horrible the first group of posters are for their position/opinion
- still other people post that there is too much __-bashing going on and that we should all stop it

This is a general pattern which varies to some degree depending on the topic/lunar cycle/available intoxicants, but it does exist in pretty much this form.

The question is, of all the groups that get bashed here, who do you believe gets bashed the most?

[Mojambo]

1. Come on. It's Republicans, clearly. n/t

[porphyrian]

54. Not according to a number of people here... -n/t

[Mojambo]

84. What can I say. People LOVE playing victim. n/t

[seemslikeadream]

2. You should add one more

[porphyrian]

55. Yeah, the selection was kind of arbitrary, but I'll stand by it for no good reason.

(...or because of the conspiracy...)

[Scurrilous]

3. The Bush Crime Family. n/t

[LSparkle]

44. Amen! As well it should be

The scourge that they are ...

[porphyrian]

59. I think we've got bashing enough to go around, but they can always use more. -n/t

[LSparkle]

87. We'll just keep kickin' 'em 'til we kick 'em back to Texasssssss!

Suddenly I hear Rev. Al Sharpton saying, "I'm gonna kick that donkey, and I'm gonna keep kickin' that donkey ... all the way to Washington."

[porphyrian]

57. I'd like to add another bash for those traitorous criminal pieces of shit. -n/t

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

4. I voted for stupid people.

At least those are the people I'm constantly bashing, personally.

[Forkboy]

19. I did too.

And for the same reason. :)

[porphyrian]

63. They is as they does. -n/t

[porphyrian]

62. Keep up the good work. -n/t

[SidDithers]

240. Yeah, stupid people. Kinda covers a whole range of categories...nt

Sid

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

5. DOH!!! It's obvious!!!! The Democrats,...every damn day!!! eom

[tom_paine]

15. You know, they could change that quite easily.

Just by standing up to Bushler and his Henchmen ONCE!

Just by saying, (I choose one example but it could be any of a hundred things), just ONCE, "Harriet Meirs, present yourself or yuou are going to jail for contempt!"

or how about this one?

"Alberto Gonzales, I have never seen a more clear cut easy-to-convict case of perjury in my life. You did it a dozen times and it's all on videotape, as is the testimony of all of those who contradicted you INCLUDING the Director of the FBI. The evidence is being presented to a Grand Jury. Preliminary hearing for your trial starts next week."

So many people think so many of us DUers are just Democrat-bashers. Well, I can only speak for myself, but if I am a mindless Democrat-basher I sure have got a funny way of showing, donating well more than $1,000 total over the last three elections to DSCC, DCCC, DNC, and various candidates. And I am a lower middle class person, this is not money I can easily part with.

Funny way of showing it, given my 20 or so hours of volunteeer work on Congressional campaigns in '02 and '06, more like 70-100 hours on Congressional and Kerry campaign in 2004.

I see all the Party-before-Country people are making their voices heard with their "Democrats are more reviled than Republics here at DU".

Well, I am and will always be Country-before-Party and if my Party is in deriliction ofthe most basic duties top protect and safeguard freeom and liberty for furture generations, then I WILL NOT BE SILENT. It also doesn't mean that I am letting the Bushies off the hook, either.

To all the (rhymes with glass-moles) who voted "Democrats", go Cheney yourselves.

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

25. If you want to pursue a "go Cheney" meme, why destroy those who'd deliver that?

:shrug:

Who is GUILTY of war crimes, of crimes against humanity, of crimes against you and me?

I don't see any stronger prosecution of those fucking criminals HERE than I do those whom you complain of.

We are no different. We FALL for the manipulative bullshit as much if not more so than the democrats we complain of,...always EASILY DISTRACTED from the crimes and criminals.

Vulnerable and weak,...to the true enemies of our state.

yep

[tom_paine]

126. You don't know what you are talking about, quite frankly.

I usually don't do this, but I couldn't fail to notice you are a registered member since 2007.

I say this not to belittle you as a "newbie" or to insinuate that somehow being here longer (much longer...since late Mar. 2001) makes my opinion more valid than yours. It doesn't.

But what it does give me is a span-of-time view of DU that, unless you've been lurking here for six years before you registered, you don't have.

You say that the Democrats get bashed more than the Bushies here at DU. That is patent nonsense. That is so beyond the pale and ridiculous that it staggers me with it's audacity and ignorance, especially for someone who has been around here for such a short time.

You are seeing the inevitable frustration of people, like myself, who busted our asses of for these Dems and donated bank to them for no return on any of the things which are important. It is coming to a boil now, as many people are at different times each getting to what they/we consider "the final straw".

You think that makes the Democrats, angry as we are at their spineless weakness, more hated than the Bushies?

Good Lord! You sound like a Bushie insisting that anyone who criticizes them hates America, sorry but it's true.

If what the Bushies had done was less severe, I would agree with the Party-Over-Country crowd that strategically it would be wise to let the Bushies have enough rope to hang themselves.

I told you what I have done to help our Democrats, what have YOU done? Got a $1,500 credit card bill because your cash shortfall for the past six years happens to be identical to what you wound up donating?

Did you walk your feet raw and swollen canvassing two week before election day, then take they day off on election day so you could do it all over again?

I have already wasted too much time refuting your blather. Go and make some more excuses. haryy Reid's next pitiful surrender is right on the horizon. Today he issued more of his bullshit empty threats about prosecuting Bushies for destroying the CIA torture memos.

It's no wonder the Bushies piss all over him, I can't even watch it without laughing at his pitiful impotence. It doesn't have to be this way.

And if you think Harry Reid's serial deriliction of duty to the Constitution and nation makes him a worse criminal than the Bushies in the eyes of DUers, well that's patent nonsense, too.

Go on and watch. I have seen this same kabuki dance so many times it makes me nauseous. I can retrace the steps in my sleep.

Go ahead, come back and talk to me after Harry "inexplicably caves" when the Bushies refuse the first subpeona or threaten him in any way.

Go ahead. Watch and learn. You think that makes me HAPPY to say that? You think I like to see what may well be our last hope for a free future pissed away by the people I poured my guts out for to help them get their majorities?

That's patent nonsense, too.

This conversation is over, feel free to get the last word if you wish.

Oh, and make sure you contact me when Harry caves on his latest Phony Tough Talk. You can tell me how you're so proud, or make whatever excuse and rationalization will satisfy you this time that "his hands were tied" :puke: .

Not me. Lame excuses and kabuki theater and Fake Tough Talk isn't enough for me anymore. I wonder how long they will work for you?

Unlike you, I have the anachronistic belief that Nancy and Harry and my reps are there to fight for me, not their limos and creme brulee.

You can say that's just repeating Bushie memes, but I never said ANYTHING like that about the Democrats (even if I was dissatisfied withtheior performance) until early 2007, when much to my horror, it turned out to be true.

STILL doesn't make our Democrats worse than Bushies, not even close. It just makes them the German Social Democrats to Bush's Hitler.

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

248. Okay.

Sheesh!!!

I don't know what to say except, "the last word", in my world, includes asking you to reconcile with me.

First, we have to decide what it is over which we must reconcile.

Okay?

I am sorry I hit a "button". I wasn't aiming for that (as I fully expressed myself).

Can we start over?

[tom_paine]

288. Yes. We can start over. Thank you for your explanation and kind words.

At the end of the day, we are all on the same side.

There is nothing left to reconcile. The storm passes and the clouds break.

I took umbrage that anyone could honestly believe that the Democrats were more disliked on this board than the Bushies.

That is what pushed my "button".

Yes we can start over.

Peace.

[porphyrian]

65. The Democrats or some Democrats? -n/t

[book_worm]

6. Republicans! but Christians run second

Not that some don't deserve it (the fundies and hypocrites) but there are many good Christians out there in the model of Jimmy Carter and others who do good work and don't judge others. Sometimes I feel that some on DU don't see this.

[devilgrrl]

37. I disagree. The reason "good" Christians are never discussed is because they don't annoy people.

eom

[porphyrian]

76. Some drug dealers are good people.

But, because they are law-breakers, and because many people have no close personal contact with good people who deal drugs, many have no problem with "tough on crime" laws that ruin families and lives of good and bad dealers equally. To this, people will defend their position by claiming that good dealers are few and far between or that the lives ruined by drugs outweigh the ruination of the good dealers' lives, often with personal horror stories for further justification. Should these people be more discerning when discussing drug dealers by making a distinction between good dealers and bad dealers every time they discuss drug dealers or should we be more understanding of people who make sweeping statements about drug dealers because there is likely some reason for their position, be it personal experience, simple ignorance or just a poor choice of words?

[quip]

167. Are you comparing "drug dealers" to Christians?

And how are drug dealers good people exactly? Or better, what is your definition of a good person?

[porphyrian]

203. I'm pointing out how people make broad statements and assumptions about groups.

I didn't say drug dealers are good people, I said some drug dealers are good people. Apparently, you have no problem with painting every member of a group as good or bad by your definition of the group, but you have a problem with anyone doing that with a group you belong to. That's hypocrisy.

[quip]

235. No, I was just thrown for a loop with the some drug dealers are good people assertion.

Are some murderers good people? :shrug:

[porphyrian]

253. So, in your mind, all lawbreakers are the same as murderers?

Seek therapy.

[quip]

254. Come on.

I'm trying to understand you. How about me asking you what makes a person good or bad?

[porphyrian]

255. That has nothing to do with understanding what I've said.

You seem to be quite happy making sweeping generalizations about groups, but take offense when you associate with those groups. That's hypocrisy. I can't make you understand, but a therapist might.

[quip]

257. Okay, hold on a second.

Let's try without the cost of a therapist.

Drug dealing is not good, correct? Are you saying then that a "good" person can simultaneously do bad things? Really I think it has everything to do with it. It just seems contradictory.

[porphyrian]

258. Is drug dealing not good? You make far too many assumptions.

The problem is with you, but I'm not going to be able to convince you of that, so this is a waste of time.

[quip]

259. Sorry I asked.

[porphyrian]

261. Good. Thank you for proving my point. -n/t

[truebrit71]

7. Republicans...it should be fairly obvious to one and all except the "persecuted" few...

...:eyes:

[porphyrian]

77. I think everyone is picking either who they personally persecute most...

...or who they most closely associate with, and thus feel defensive about.

[sandnsea]

8. You should add - lefties and DLC

But I still think Christians probably take the most hits because there are so many different sects, they say some pretty stupid shit, and they have such funny beliefs like magic wafers and magic underwear.

[porphyrian]

78. Those two are, at least partially, covered by Democrats (though not necessarily).

And magic underwear deserves its own thread.

[krispos42]

178. Don't forget magic PJ's!!!

http://www.armorofgodpjs.com/

[porphyrian]

204. That's almost too disturbing to laugh at. Almost. -n/t

[Kurovski]

9. Other. The answer is easy: The Moderators.

But I knew what you meant.

[porphyrian]

79. Yeah, but they ask for it by volunteering.

Silly mods...
:evilgrin:

[Kurovski]

135. Well in that case...

let's think about turning this into a flame-fest of a sexist, DUer-bashing, prurient sex-and bodily functions thread. :evilgrin:

[porphyrian]

205. Heh, a mod checked in downthread... -n/t

[The Stranger]

10. Don't forget the PETA bashers.

They wouldn't know what to do if they couldn't bash PETA.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

14. Torture animals?

:shrug:

[porphyrian]

81. PETA likes to get in peoples' faces, and that's picking a fight for some...

You have to admit that PETA doesn't try very hard to avoid confrontation.

[The Stranger]

91. /\ /\ (see above) /\ /\

[porphyrian]

147. You've seen that too, huh? -n/t

[SuperWonk]

11. what about Foxers?

[porphyrian]

83. That's something I ask myself all the time. -n/t

[BuyingThyme]

12. Smoking, Christian, homosexual, gun-toting Republicans.

[porphyrian]

85. I think that's a movie. -n/t

[BuyingThyme]

129. The Jeff Gannon Story.

[porphyrian]

206. Heh, you bad. -n/t

[joshcryer]

13. Smokers, Christians, and gun owners. Essentially, Southerners.

No surprise.

[Swamp Rat]

20. The majority here, according to a DU poll I saw a few weeks ago, are Southerners.

Surprised now? :D

[joshcryer]

38. Not at all. :)

But do they smoke, own guns, or are they Christian? Probably, not. :)

[Swamp Rat]

46. I think most of us smoke and own guns.

But the Christians are on their own. :D

[joshcryer]

51. Haha

I'd be surprised if that was true. :D

[Swamp Rat]

67. You've never been to New Orleans?

:D









Don't they look lonely?" :D



:D

[joshcryer]

80. :D

Lived there 3 years. :)

[porphyrian]

88. I bet I know what that necklace does... -n/t

[Kurovski]

138. Hootie-tootie

Kabooty.

[Kurovski]

137. Sacre merde! I thought Swamp Rat was from France!

Mon Dieu, mon cher! :D

[RebelSansCause]

251. you sir, have just given me my new background n/t

[porphyrian]

86. Hey, I've got to live with them. At least they've got good weed. -n/t

[Solly Mack]

16. Bananas

Oh..you said takes the most punishment

[porphyrian]

90. Heh, there you went. -n/t

[bananas]

213. Thanks! nt

[Solly Mack]

223. I like bananas

Mine's on holiday, so the elf is taking his usual spot

[alcibiades_mystery]

17. African Americans

This board is often as racist as can be. I often cringe to read the reactionary and racist drivel posted by DUers.

[slackmaster]

21. Especially African-American Republicans

Some of the nastiness that's been posted about Condoleeza Rice, Colin Powell, and Clarence Thomas is way over the top racist, but somehow it gets tolerated because they are Reps.

[superduperfarleft]

71. That was my first thought as well.

Hispanics also.

And god forbid if you call them on it...

[porphyrian]

92. Given American history, I'm amazed we're not completely racist most of the time.

It is institutionalized, after all (like classism and sexism), and it's harder for people who benefit from such a system to realize and acknowledge this.

[Phoonzang]

274. Agreed

it's cured me of any skepticism about the white liberal racist archetype.

[stellanoir]

18. You forgot to include women who breast feed their kids in public

and spiritualists who post in GD, get 33 recs and 80 responses, with only 3 detractors in 24 hours, who get demoted to R & T only to have it inferred that their cranium is full of manure by the atheists and agnostics who've strangely taken over R & T.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=214x158385

Talk about getting thrown to the lions.

Yikes

Oh well at least it was thankfully on the Greatest through the duration of the event.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

23. Still misquoting people, eh?

:D

[stellanoir]

28. remedied

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

29. How do you know they were atheist or agnostic?

[stellanoir]

34. They've indicated as such on other occasions.

But others have complained about their dominance of that forum and the inability to have any discussions about religion or theology because of it.

I tend to stay out of there but since my thread was bounced there I felt an obligation to respond.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

35. Other people are feeling oppressed too, eh?

Heh.

[stellanoir]

41. sadly it's an all too common affliction

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

43. Yes, apparently.

[piedmont]

26. Damn, I didn't get to poop in that thread.

Oh well.

[stellanoir]

32. Oh Triumph

you can poop anywhere you like.



A friend of mine used to make props for Conan's show.

People would steal that puppet all the time.

She had to keep making them. Drove her nutz.

[piedmont]

33. What does she do now that she doesn't have the coolest job in the world?

[stellanoir]

40. Teaching art and chasing scuba divers down in the Virgin Islands last time I checked.

I should track her down again.

She did the props for SNL as well but there are a lot of nasty chemicals involved in creating such things and she had the funniest stories.

I called her once and she was shopping for dismembered limbs around Halloween, telling the salesperson, "no no no that gangrene is ALL WRONG."

Then another time she had to make these giant costumes that resembled male genitalia and after working on them for weeks they cancelled the skit.

She was really funnier than a lot of the writers actually.

[piedmont]

53. Sounds like she has fun in life.

Good luck with the experiment, stellanoir.

[porphyrian]

94. I guess I should've added atheists and agnostics, too. -n/t

[Swamp Rat]

22. Intelligent, peace-loving, progressive Democrats who have to wade through the daily drivel.

:D

[porphyrian]

95. Wading is half the battle, or something like that.

;)

[Swamp Rat]

96. Responding with as much sarcastic satire as possible without getting deleted

is the other half of the battle. :evilgrin:

[porphyrian]

133. Ain't that the truth... -n/t

[Cabcere]

24. Interesting question.

I was initially going to say "republicans," but then I re-read the OP and realized that one of the patterns you stated was people trying to stop the ______-bashing. As far as I know, people trying to stop republican-bashing is a pretty rare occurrence here at DU. :P

Now, as to my vote. I'm probably going to take a lot of criticism for this, but I voted Christians. Don't get me wrong, I fully understand that this is NOT the case in the "real world," and would not have selected it had the question not related specifically to DU. I also realize that contempt towards Christians here is nowhere near as severe as the pure hatred and horrible things directed towards homosexuals, minorities, and other groups in some places of the country. Believe me, I do understand, and I would much rather have bigotry directed towards Christians online than towards any of the other groups mentioned in the OP, online or otherwise.

However. It seems like here at DU, it's perfectly acceptable to generalize, insult, and make unfounded assumptions about Christians. Not entirely without reason - most of the people who claim to be "Christian" in the public sphere today are, let's face it, assholes. But it gets just a little tiresome when you can't so much as state that you are a Christian without snarky comments being made about your "insanity" and "foolishness," comparisons to sheep (or worse, repubs) being made, and basically a complete lack of respect for your (assumed) beliefs, possibly because of the assumption that Christian = homophobe fundie psychotic bigot who wants to take your rights away and make you worship Jesus. And yeah, there are enough of those in the world (too many, really), but you know what? Most Christians here on DU are not like that. If they were, they'd be posting at Freepworld.

Look, I know Christians aren't popular here, and I understand the reasoning, but I wish some people would understand that not all Christians are evil Republican assclowns, and that those Christians posting here on DU at least deserve a little respect for trying to get said assclowns out of office. If you can't respect their beliefs, that's fine, but is it really necessary to jump down someone's throat practically every time something like this comes up and call them "insane?" I realize that some of you have had bad personal experiences with Christians and the church - also totally understandable. But is it really necessary to take out that anger on DUers by insulting them solely on the basis of what they believe (even though they are not forcing anyone to believe the same thing)? I mean, I've met several atheists who were complete assholes, but I also know that some of the atheists here are really great people, and I don't mock or insult them because of what they believe (or don't believe, as the case may be). Same with Christians. Yes, I was raised Christian, and although I'm still trying to sort out my beliefs, I think the basic tenets of "love thy neighbor" and "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" work pretty well for me.

I guess what I'm trying to say with this long and convoluted post is this: Not all Christians are evil, so please stop generalizing and directly attacking the faith of posters here. Disagreement is cool, but outright rudeness based on your (possibly incorrect) perceptions of what someone else believes? Not so much.

OK, I think that's it. :P Peace. :hi:

[porphyrian]

100. See my post #76 above...

I think people assume others mean something they might not and that what constitutes being rude/polite is universal and should be conformed to by everyone. While I don't think you're wrong and you do have a number of good points, you have to realize that there are a number of reasons why good people might hate (or seem to hate) Christians, and simply telling them not to won't get you very far. The best way to change minds is to offer proof to the contrary. Show otherwise, if it's important to you.

[Cabcere]

115. Fair enough.

And I'm certainly not telling anyone not to hate Christians - I just wish some people would lay off of making it a point to deride every single post by someone who identifies as Christian when they mention their religion and/or beliefs. As far as proof to the contrary, I try to do that by my words and deeds, but some people aren't going to change their opinion. And that's OK - like I said in my previous post, I understand the dislike or even hatred people feel for the religion as a whole. I guess it just bothers me to be called "insane" and to have people imply that it's OK to kill Christians because they haven't been persecuted as much as other groups. I don't support the persecution of any group because of their religion, ethnicity, sexual orientation, skin color, or any other characteristic, and I just have trouble understanding why some progressives would be OK with that. :shrug: Anyway, thanks for your thoughtful response - you've made some very good points, and I'll try to be better about seeing things from the perspective of others. :hi: Peace.

[porphyrian]

134. Defensiveness is a natural human behavior that we all are guilty of from time to time.

If we want to do more than fight about things, we have to try as hard to understand others as we want others to understand us. I'll chat with you (and maybe even bash you :evilgrin:) anytime, thinker.

[quip]

168. Good people don't hate groups-- it's called bigotry

And if that group is a race, it's called racism. And if that group is women, misogyny. etc,

The best way to end bigotry, racism, misogyny starts with the group who holds those attitudes, not the group in question.

[porphyrian]

183. If I say I hate you, do I hate you?

You're just making another sweeping generalization yourself.

[quip]

170. You are spot on, Cabcere! Amen to that!

:loveya:

[kimmerspixelated]

27. My "Other" is Natural Health Advocates

I know from personal experience that all I have to do is utter natural methods of curing oneself, and there are many here that just go fucking batshit crazy ballistic! God, you'd think another election had been stolen, with the kind of anger that comes flying off the page!

[TZ]

39. Thats because

you are posting things that are FACTUALLY/Scientifically WRONG. And when some of us post actual science--We get called shills stooges and worse. Some of us have technical education that qualifies us to talk on topics that others know very little about.

[kimmerspixelated]

52. I have never called anyone a shill.

Hell, I can't call anyone anything. How could I get a word in edgewise? You seem to follow me around no matter where I go. Can't others have a difference of opinion? You seem most intolerant of that.

[MonkeyFunk]

56. Because

these aren't matters of opinion. They're matters of science.

No matter how many people "opine" that homeopathy works, the scientific truth is that it doesn't.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

48. "fucking batshit crazy ballistic"

No, we go fucking batshit rational ballistic, thank you very much.

[SidDithers]

264. Oh, that's excellent. Fucking Batshit Rational Ballistic!...

I'm gonna use that :)

Sid

[porphyrian]

101. Another group I omitted, scientists, are feeling persecuted nowadays...

...and they may have encountered you in the middle of their battle against ID.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

30. Belly button lint pickers.

[porphyrian]

102. As long as they don't pick and sniff... -n/t

[Buns_of_Fire]

31. I voted "Smokers" because it didn't have any votes and looked lonely and I needed some abuse today.

Other than that, it would have to be Robb. 'Cause he's a dingbat. :evilgrin: :hi:

[porphyrian]

103. Aw. Those freezing in smokers' exile thank you. -n/t

[rug]

36. You left out the Clintonistas.

[porphyrian]

104. Yes, I did. -n/t

[stray cat]

42. Moderates who don't spew irrational hatred?

[porphyrian]

106. That's too narrow a category here. -n/t

[ThomCat]

45. Anyone who says Christians is, in my book, a damned fool.

:(

Christians, at worst, hear an honest opinion from the other side here. They're still the dominant social force, and the claim that christians are persecuted in just laughably absurd.

[porphyrian]

107. What? Your city doesn't fund a Kwanza festival every year? -n/t

[ThomCat]

131. Huh? I don't understand your point.

:shrug:

[porphyrian]

140. Sorry.

Cities routinely decorate for Christmas, only recently changing the terminology to "holiday festival" or some such garbage to quiet those "uppity atheists/Jews/whatever" that complain about separation of church and state. The fact is that until those uppity whatevers complained, Christmas was being celebrated on our tax dollar all over the country and it basically still is, which could not be accomplished by a non-dominant force. Thus, I was being ironic, or something.

[ThomCat]

148. Ah. Very good point.

:)

[Bucky]

141. Well, then clearly you're a racist.

Nice salute there, Adolf!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

184. when the majority wants to play the victim, its kinda funny. i wonder how much heterosexuals are

oppressed here.

[LanternWaste]

237. Well, I'm sure we'll give your book...

"Anyone who says Christians is, in my book, a damned fool."

Well, I'm sure we'll give your book all the consideration it's due... :evilgrin:

[GreenPartyVoter]

47. Liberal Christians, Nader fans, and overweight people all come to mind

[porphyrian]

108. Do Liberal Christians get bashed specifically?

I hadn't noticed any Christian bashing that wasn't general or specific to individuals.

[GreenPartyVoter]

113. There have been times we've been asked to take care of the fundy problem

because they're "ours" so to speak. Also, we don't speak up enough against the fundies so we are guilty by association. That sort of thing. And we get taunted for believing in faerie tales and sky daddies.

Whether that constitutes bashing per se, I dunno, but it can be rather annoying to be on the receiving end of it at times.

[porphyrian]

143. Membership always has conditions.

You're associated with the group, but then you're associated with the whole group. If you can set yourself apart and not let it bother you, then you're more tolerant than most people. As for annoying people, I can only speak for myself.

[Prophet 451]

179. I don't think that's "bashing" exactly

What is there to say? Some athiests can be obnoxious jerks just as much as some Christians can.

[robbedvoter]

49. I voted Republicans but "freepers" would be a better choice

[porphyrian]

109. Probably, but I wanted to include non-sedentary republicans. -n/t

[The Straight Story]

50. Hillary supporters

:rofl:

[porphyrian]

111. I wanted more than ten members in each category. -n/t

[Kurovski]

164. .

:rofl:

[Mike03]

58. Other: Undecided people who have questions

A major reason I post here is because I'm not sure about my stances politically and want input and ideas from others.

But when I come here to ask questions, I'm immediately attacked or people suspect I have an agenda. My questions are met with suspicion, sarcasm, or just plain ignorance.

I used to come to DU to become educated more than to post opinions, and I still do, but it's become so unpleasant here that it's really... Eh... I don't even know how to express how bad I feel about how this place has become debased.

It's really depressing to me, because no matter how bad things were I could always come here. I would say, sometime after Fuck Head was re-elected, this place changed.

And I know I'm part of that trend, because I'm not the gentleman I used to be. I'm getting pissed and more pissed with each day, and having more and more trouble hiding that when I post here. I used to be very polite, but I'm starting not to give a shit anymore.

[porphyrian]

112. Sorry, mosh pit. -n/t

[Name removed]

60. Deleted message

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[distantearlywarning]

61. I selected "Other" - fat people.

Every single time there is a thread about weight, dozens of people come out of the woodwork with the sole purpose of denigrating fat people. It's the last acceptable prejudice, even among progressives.

[Beausoir]

89. Absolutely. My vote, too.

[porphyrian]

117. I wouldn't be surprised if many of those people are or were fat themselves. -n/t

[Beausoir]

165. Or they used to be fat and are in remission.

[Beausoir]

172. And if you need proof...check out this thread from 5 minutes ago...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3824325&mesg_id=3824325

Absolutely sickening.

[Dukkha]

64. vegetarians

not the most but certainly up there

[toadzilla]

75. yep!

[porphyrian]

118. I haven't seen that, though vegans I have seen.

Some vegans tend to be confrontational, like PETA, though, so I can understand that (not that I condone it).

[Reterr]

174. Vegetarians/Vegans-yep-even environmentalists bash us-go figure.eom

[A-Schwarzenegger]

177. And the most beloved Pres candidate on DU is vegan.

Go figure, indeed.

[Reterr]

221. Most bashing does not equal to most no. of people doing the bashing imo

A vocal minority is all that is needed to create the volume. As for the Kooch, I don't think people like him because of the veganism (hell I am a vegan and I wouldn't vote for someone on that one issue-specially if that is just their dietary preference and not an indication that they will do something about the USDA/the meat industry/factory farming etc.). I think with some it is in spite of that ;) :P.
Anyway I don't mean to come across as whiny-I just think that vegs get bashed more than most other groups on the left, because a certain group of people associate all of us with the craziest and most militant PETAns(again who are a very vocal minority in the AR movement) out there.
Peace

[A-Schwarzenegger]

293. I understand that, but ...

my point was that I don't think Dennis is attacked BECAUSE of his veganism, whereas vegans in general are subjects of ridicule on DU. Why isnt he attacked for it? (or at least not attacked as much as one might think he would be, given the anti-vegan sentiments of DU). Because people respect him. What's missing here is simple respect for one another, for our beliefs and practices when they have nothing to do with our progressivism, and in fact even though they enhance our progressivism to us. Respect in that sense is a sadly devalued commodity today.

[Breeze54]

66. Rethugs aka 'stupid people'!

Stupid people by far get bashed on DU. Maybe not enough. :P

C'mon people !! Get to bashing the rethugs!! They suck big time!!



rethug

[porphyrian]

119. Stupid bashing is not going away. -n/t

[baby_mouse]

68. Pretty good poll

Results tally pretty well with my perceptions...

[porphyrian]

120. It's wavered some, but it's kind of settling in now. -n/t

[Annces]

69. I would have to say Christians

Probably because in society they try to impose their ideas on others regarding creationism and anti-gay, anti-abortion.

[Breeze54]

74. Or because it's the 1st choice and there are 4 threads about in GD right now!

:P

[porphyrian]

121. Those are the Christians who get the others into trouble with non-Christians, if you ask me.

Some Christians you'd never know were Christian at all if you didn't ask.

[TahitiNut]

70. Overweight white male smokers who own guns.

... by far.

[Breeze54]

73. LMAO!

:P

You seem to be recovering marvelously!

[porphyrian]

124. That describes nearly half of the people who live around here.

Well, a third.

[matcom]

72. not sure but I sure as hell HOPE it is THIS group

and those who support it

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2448425

[porphyrian]

125. Yeah, they deserve a bash or two for that pantload. -n/t

[HughMoran]

82. I see there are some whiny little babies here

...not mentioning any names :D

[porphyrian]

127. I personally hate whiny babies, the selfish little shitters. -n/t

[Maddy McCall]

93. SOUTHERNERS

[Swamp Rat]

98. But we are the majority here!!

Maddy! :hi: :hug:

[Maddy McCall]

99. In my dreams, we would be.

:D

:hi:

:hug:

:loveya:

[Swamp Rat]

105. A DU poll a few weeks back had Southerners in the majority.

Y'all comin' fo' da Mardi Gras? It starts early next year... before crawfish season. :9

[Maddy McCall]

110. No kiddin?

When is Mardi Gras this year?? And that's very MEAN of you to torture me with that image. :P

(Shocked that the majority of DUers are southerners. Would never have guessed it.)

[Swamp Rat]

114. Mardi Gras day in 2008 is February 5th

... come to New Orleans.... come to New Orleans...



:evilgrin:

[Maddy McCall]

116. Look at this.

Craving Middendorf's lately:



:9

[Swamp Rat]

123. I went there last month.

Since I didn't get the softshell crab, I guess I must go back this month. :9

I bet the 'swamp walk' just north of Middendorf's on Hwy 51 is really nice about now, since it's cooler and there are less mosquitoes. If you've never done it, I suggest you do it after eating... it's a good way to work off the pounds one has just put on. :D

[Maddy McCall]

158. I've never heard of that!

I'm taking my folks down to Middendorfs sometime this week for their anniversary. Is it something that older folks would enjoy?

Where is it? Tell me more, please sir.

[Swamp Rat]

244. It's to the north, along side of Hwy 51.

The Swamp Walk is a couple of miles to the north, along side of Hwy 51 (to the right of the road), very close to Ponchatoula. I bet the staff/owners at Middendorf's know exactly where it is and could give you better directions. Jus' ax 'em, dawlin'. :D

[midlife_mo_Jo]

157. Oh....that soft shell crab looks good!

[Maddy McCall]

159. If you're ever on I-55 north of New Orleans....

you gotta stop for a plate of 'em. Middendorfs makes the best I've ever eaten. Oh, and look at the photo again...they specialize in paper-thin fried catfish that is to die for.

It's a great little family-owned restaurant that just can't be beat in this area.

[midlife_mo_Jo]

160. Thanks. :)

I'm often in south Louisiana, but haven't been to NO in years. Maybe I need to take a little drive... :)

[Maddy McCall]

162. Well worth your time.

Middendorf's is about, I guess, 30 miles north of Nola in Akers/Manchac, LA. Just right off the I-55 causeway.

They still serve Dixie beer in the brown glass bottles. It's certainly a fun experience to eat there. :)

[Hardrada]

176. I never got to drink any JAX Beer. Toured the former brewery

though? Is there a Dixie brewery?

[Maddy McCall]

214. Indeed there is.

Right in the heart of NOLA.

http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/404/

[Bucky]

149. Majority or plurality?

Besides, it's different when we call ourselves yokels.

[Clark2008]

200. We are!

Every DU poll says so!

Yes, I realize it's not exactly scientific, but we seem always to out-pace the other parts of the country in those polls.

:hi:

And I would agree that we're bashed as much as Republicans and Christians. I wonder how it feels to be so ignorant of an entire region of your own country (not you, Swamp, but those who bash)?

[porphyrian]

128. Yeah, but we can pick on our own. -n/t

[Maddy McCall]

166. As long as it isn't baseless stereotypes, I'm game.

[porphyrian]

207. With me, it's not so much what is said but who says it and how. -n/t

[Sugar Smack]

97. Malfeasant TROLLS, baby!

}( :toast: w00t!!!

[porphyrian]

130. Oh yeah...

:toast:
:evilgrin:

[alfredo]

122. Transvestite Gerbils

[porphyrian]

132. That's because most people don't understand the need to wear fur of the opposite gender. -n/t

[alfredo]

153. You really get insight into our movement when you see the venom

spewed at our Gerbil friends. We have work to do.

[porphyrian]

208. Gerbil solidarity. -n/t

[alfredo]

209. GLF- Gerbil Liberation Front. Fired Up!

[and-justice-for-all]

136. rethugs get dragged across hot coals all the time..

and deservingly so. Rethugs are people too: mean, greedy, warmongering people.

Dems also get chopped up from time to time and they should be called out for their failures to act responsibly.

[porphyrian]

144. Agreed. -n/t

[Bucky]

139. In this response, I will bash people who post polls on DU

How dare you? Such gall! Such temerity! I said 'Good Day, Sir!'!

[porphyrian]

145. Is that the best you've got, poll poster basher?! -n/t

[BlueJazz]

142. Atheists...No Contest.

[porphyrian]

146. I don't know, I think there might be some contest.

Not to deny atheists get some bashing, though.

[BlueJazz]

151. See...See...You're bashing me Now.

..Kidding.. :)

[porphyrian]

152. Heh, you non - believer - in - unproven - speculation! -n/t

[A-Schwarzenegger]

150. Some DUers who bash RW Christians dont see or care

that they are (purposely or inadvertently) including progressive Christians in their bashing. I think this is expressed in the poll as a statement from Christians (and sympathizers?) who feel the unfairness of what we see as the bashing of progressive Christians, and it shouldnt come as any surprise to observant DUers.

[porphyrian]

154. I wouldn't place bets on a DU poll.

You can never tell how many people have the poster on Ignore.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

155. Did somebody say something?

What poll? :hi:

[porphyrian]

156. You joke, but I'm surprised it got this much play.

;)

[DemBones DemBones]

266. If you have people on Ignore, you can still see threads they start,

you just can't see their posts. I don't have you on Ignore, porphyrian, but know this from experience as well as by reading the info that comes up when you put someone on Ignore.

[Clintonista2]

161. The problem is that most people on DU don't differentiate between christians & republicans

Newsflash: There are liberal christians.

[porphyrian]

188. I don't think that's entirely true at all.

Many DUers are liberal Christians themselves, and saying most DUers don't differentiate between them seems like an unfair judgement.

[Nye Bevan]

163. In the last couple of days, white Christians

I certainly don't recall ever before seeing a ROFL Smilie in a thread discussing a multiple-shooting.

[porphyrian]

189. Someone specified white Christians?

I didn't see that. And there is no one correct way to cope with tragedy, even if you don't approve.

[piedmont]

169. "Republicans" is too easy. They pretty much deserve their bashings. nt

[porphyrian]

190. It's like they come with handles. -n/t

[Rex]

171. The rational group.

Guess.

[porphyrian]

191. I'm thinking you don't mean republicans. -n/t

[Rex]

219. Well that is one group down.

Guess who is left?

[nam78_two]

173. Other: Moderators ;-)

I kid ..I kid :D....
Go easy on us guys-we be unpaid volunteers trying to balance a lot of conflicting ideas ;).

P.s.: I kid :D.

[porphyrian]

192. Heh, heh...

:evilgrin:

What?

[Boojatta]

279. Good point!

[LSdemocrat]

175. Other: DLC and Democratic "enabler" of the week

[La Lioness Priyanka]

185. yeah. did you not know i am the sole cause behind zell miller and lieberman?

:hi:

[porphyrian]

193. They get some pile-ups. -n/t

[Prophet 451]

180. Men

I'm kidding (mostly) but it does seem we're taking a lot of flak around here lately.

[porphyrian]

194. I think the emerging theme here is that groups get blamed for their individual membership...

...fairly or unfairly, and that peoples' perceptions of which group is most bashed is tied to how closely they relate to, associate with or have be victimized by that group.

[krispos42]

181. Republicans, definately

I see the mindset of the evangelican Christian to be basically that of a modern Republican, probably because the modern Republican has used basic Christian ideas and manipulated them into free-market worship and being pro-business to the detriment of everything else.

But Republicans usually have that model, the "strong father model" without being devout Christians. So they come from a similar mindset.



I'm surprised that gun owners don't have more votes, though. Not winning the poll, certainly, because gun-bashing runs hot and cold, but when it's hot, there's plenty of vitriol. "Gun pimps" is only lukewarm in those threads...

[porphyrian]

196. I think you've touched on part of the issue happening here with Christians.

I think it's more miscommunication than anything.

[krispos42]

210. Well, the most fanatical Christians...

...that have the most effect on public policy and politics are have the most organization, which is something that the pro-business Republicans do well. By the pro-business Republicans offering rigid, effective organization to the fanatical and largely unquestioning Christians, both factions are gettting plenty of "strict father model", which is something they desire, seek out, and support.

And non-fanatical Christians, liberal Christians, don't have the organization to be an effective force yet. Many liberal, politically-active Christians are busy fighting on the streets for the poor and troubled that are the victims of Republican social-program cuts... which gives more political and financial resources for Republicans and less for Democrats, so Republicans win more and more at the ballot box.

You should read "Dont' Think of an Elephant" by George Lakoff. It's quite a revelation!

[laststeamtrain]

182. The non-aligned far left. n/t

[porphyrian]

198. What, repeated marginalization isn't acceptable? -n/t

[Perry Logan]

186. The Democrats in Congress gets bashed more than everyone else put together.

Usually based on complete ignorance of what they have done.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

187. you know you have a point there/

[porphyrian]

199. Disagreeing with their actions and motives does not equate to ignorance.

I think many people understand what Congress has done and is doing, but still find it unacceptable. It's more complicated than a lack of civics education.

[zorahopkins]

195. Women

I think women get the most punishment here.

[porphyrian]

201. Uh, not for long.

There is usually a mob of people who come out to defend women who are bashed for being women, and they've taken down every woman-basher I've seen here.

[noamnety]

247. I would agree with you there, except

there are so many groups, it's really hard to call just one.

Women, yes. They are constantly mocked for their looks, their dress, their behavior, for having the nerve to go out in public with breasts, harassed for not being dressed "well" enough "she looks like she bought her suit at K-Mart", but when they are dressed perfectly, they are harassed for being superficial and spending too much on their clothes. Every rape victim is assumed to be lying, gender slurs are used regularly, women here are objectified to a frightening degree, and they are used as metaphors for all things bad.

However - I have also seen threads saying that the last acceptable bigotry here is homophobia, and I see a lot of that here as well. Lots of snarky assumptions that all bad people are gay.

And fat jokes still abound (particularly when related to women).

Age discrimination is very alive here, and ranges from assuming people past the age of 50 are unlovable unless they have large wallets to mocking people for looking their age. And if they get plastic surgery to hide the signs of age, they are mocked for that as well.

I am also constantly blown away by the bigotry here against Mexicans, against Muslims, against African Americans. There have also been some Christian bashing threads I've spoken out against, but I wouldn't call them an oppressed group in this country because they are, in fact, a privileged group. So they endure some slander, but at the same time their status awards them material gain, so although I speak up against it, I don't concern myself overly much about their status as a target for discrimination, if that makes sense. That's the same way I feel about straight white guys. I would like to see them on the whole be more concerned with the fact that women make 10,000 a year less than them on average than concerned with the idea that someone insulted them - given that those insults are obviously not "holding down the man" in any way. Likewise, I would like to see them more concerned with the fact that one out of six women are raped in this country, than concerned that one out of fifty of those victims are lying - which is the norm for any crime.

[yurbud]

197. critics of Israel's militarism & expansionism those who thinks 9/11 more than Bush incompetence

Two topics that have broad impact on everything else going on, but get relegated to the basement with pottery & gardening posts.

[porphyrian]

202. The I/P forum thing was a logistic decision, fair or not.

Those fights get pretty ugly with little accomplished and they tend to take over, so the decision was made to exile them to I/P for everyone's benefit. It is true that this is an important topic with a broad impact on everything else but, to drop a bad metaphor, some places have really shitty parking.

The 9/11 stuff I don't understand as well, but I think it may have been based on how some people feel that if a few people here are throwing around ideas most people think are crazy that it reflects bad on all of us (which I don't agree with, but is also related to this poll).

[yurbud]

215. charitable but probably accurate analysis.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

211. Clinton supporters, Christians, Obama supporters in that order, I think.

Although Republicans were right up there until a few months ago, and will hopefully rise up the rankings again come spring.

[porphyrian]

212. We expect to be offended by republicans, but not by our own.

That, at least in part, explains the recent outrage. And who you think I'm referring to says something about which side of that outrage you feel you're on.

[sandyd921]

216. Repukes, but they totally deserve it

n/t

[porphyrian]

217. I would agree with that. -n/t

[Blue-Jay]

218. .

[porphyrian]

220. Ha! That pretty much sums up what my Jewish ex-family thought about it all. -n/t

[NMMNG]

222. That would be GLBTs

Every time a Rethuglican gets caught in a sex scandal there are countless gay jokes spewed here on DU.
The number of Do you think Republican X is gay? posts here is astronomical. Accusing them of being gay is not based on any evidence , but merely meant as a slur.
Even here on DU we have to fight with people who don't think we deserve equal marriage rights.
We have to defend ourselves against people who support themselves or others denigrating us based on their "deeply held religious beliefs".
People think it's cute to post little songs and jokes insinuating politicians have homosexual orgies with one another.
Any time we try to point out homophobia or ask people to stop it we're told to "lighten up" and even accused of "histrionics".
Every single time elections come around we're told to stop demanding our rights lest we "lose the election for the Dems".

Of course there are more issues I can't think of at the moment but those are some of the most significant and pervasive ones.

[porphyrian]

229. I've seen what you're talking about, but I don't think it's more than the other things listed. -n/t

[terrya]

265. There's a thread right now that illustrates your point perfectly.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2469154&mesg_id=2469154

I don't even know what the point is in complaining about this shit anymore. Democratic Underground is a haven of bigots and homophobes. Christ, it might as well be Free Republic nowadays. No goddamned difference between the two.

[racaulk]

267. Totally agree.

That was a disgusting thread, and I'm glad it got locked.

But don't worry. There will be another one just like it soon enough.

:sigh:

[Dark]

224. The media.

EVERYTHING is the media's fault, apparently.

I wonder how many people here who regularly criticize the media know about the agenda-setting theory.

[porphyrian]

230. More than the other things listed? I don't know, I think the media deserves some bashing.

People came to trust the media as a source of unbiased information. How much of that does the media provide now?

[haele]

225. Depends on if it's your ox getting gored or not.

People are more likely to notice "bashing" when it's something that hits close to home. From what I can see, there are vocal minorities all over DU stirring shite up equally whenever their pet topic for attack arises, so it seems that there's a ganging up when those few self-described true defenders get involved.

There's always going to be those who need to fight for or against something. What's sad is when those who need to fight don't know when to stop, call it a draw, and move on.

Haele

[porphyrian]

231. Bingo. That seems to be the prominent trend emerging here.

You gotta know when to hold 'em...

[readmoreoften]

226. Other: IDIOTS

and I'd hope so.

[porphyrian]

232. Wouldn't that fall under Stupid people? -n/t

[orleans]

227. republicas n/t

[porphyrian]

233. I think so. - n/t

[TheWatcher]

228. Anyone who thinks 9/11 was LIHOP Or MIHOP

[porphyrian]

234. Yeah, someone else brought that one up.

While I don't think they're more bashed than some of the other things listed, I do wonder why the topic became exiled to its own forum (I honestly didn't pay enough attention to the threads when they were allowed in GD to know what happened).

[TheWatcher]

239. Because Preserving The Status Quo And Never Allowing The Questioning Of It

Seems to be The American Way these days.

It's all about feeling good and feeling powerful, and never having to face the possibility of any difficult truth.

Too many Americans would rather fight and die to preserve whatever Matrix or Status Quo that makes them feel comfortable, rather than search for or face even the remotest possibility of dealing with any difficult truth.

It's very sad.

[porphyrian]

241. I definitely agree with you there.

I can't believe how long people can deny what's in front of their faces, and I'm not even talking about 9/11 (I don't necessarily believe MIHOP and I only suspect LIHOP). But it's weird to be looking at repeated blatant treason and to have people who I am sure are relatively intelligent actually defend it.

[robcon]

236. Christians

It seems to be a knee-jerk among most (or at least a great number) of DUers to criticize someone for their religious beliefs.

The recent shootings in CO are DU classics: calling the hero of the event "more scary than the killer" because she is very religious.

[porphyrian]

238. One could say the same thing about those who immediately get defensive when religion is questioned..

...or criticized. What is sacred is NOT universal, it's entirely relative. And what one person thinks of as a joke, another may think of as taboo. If someone wanted to bother to take the time to do it, we could easily find out what group gets bashed the most on DU, and I'm pretty sure it isn't Christians, though that seems to be a popular, if inaccurate, meme. It even goes along with the religion's martyrdom motif.

[robcon]

260. I respectfully submit, porphyrian, that you are unaware.

You haven't been reading DU as much as I have - that's the most charitable interpretation of your objection to my claim that Christians are criticized more frequently, and more viciously, than Republicans on DU.

[porphyrian]

262. Ha! You have no idea how incredibly wrong you are.

I've been here for years, and in that time I doubt I've missed more than a week at a time logging on, which I usually do daily. You are obviously so biased that you're blind to the reality.

[proud patriot]

242. Stupid Traitorous Republicans of course

Annoy Republicans Defend The Constitution .

[porphyrian]

245. I do. I wish my elected representatives would. -n/t

[Behind the Aegis]

243. Other.

Gays get "it" everytime some homophobe gets outed. Christians get "bashed" on a regular basis. Anyone who doesn't think Israel "is a shitty bitch of the Middle East, drives American/world policies, and is responsible in full or part for 9-11" get smacked around. Also, Jews.

[porphyrian]

246. Yes, all of those groups get bashed, but the most? I don't think so. -n/t

[iamthebandfanman]

249. why do i not see hardly any of these things?

as far as christians, which seems to be a popular choice, i have no clue what people are talking about.

if you mean attacking fundamentalist whackos who most christians dont even agree with... then sure. so do we attack extremism ? yes. we attack extremism and fundamentalism of any religion.
so sorry, i just dont see this christian bash fest apparently everyone else does.

the only ones that are even possibly true are :

republicans
democrats
gun owners
stupid people(which depending on how you feel, includes some of the other choices)
and ralph nader

this poll is bunk and is only meant to cause trouble.

[porphyrian]

250. Ha! Your answer is to bash my poll?

I posted it because there were a number of people complaining recently about some of the categories listed getting unfairly and unevenly bashed. I suspected that people who closely relate to those groups were being sensitive and defensive, and I posted this poll to test my hypothesis (and was pretty much empirically supported). If you "have no clue what people are talking about," you either haven't been on DU in months, don't read or have so many people on Ignore that you aren't qualified to identify trends here. And, while the argument can be made that ALL polls are bunk and that I am indeed a trouble maker, you are completely wrong and apparently have no clue what you are talking about either.

[iamthebandfanman]

263. maybe we should start a club then ? n/t

[slowry]

252. Hillary supporters.

Oh, my mistake -- just noticed the "stupid people" option.

ZING

How many Hillary supporters does it take to screw in a light bulb?
Just one, you misogynistic jerk.

How many Kucinich supporters does it take to screw in a light bulb?
Doesn't matter -- there's no office to light, anyway.

That was random, and lame, but I'm hitting post anyway!

Sorry, in advance.

[porphyrian]

256. Ooo, you're asking for it... -n/t

[SidDithers]

268. Rational thinkers...nt

Sid

[porphyrian]

270. Rationality's fine until it gets in the way of someone's sacred cow. -n/t

[CT_Progressive]

269. Death to Republicans and Christians !!

:D

[porphyrian]

273. Heh, that's going to cause some double-takes. -n/t

[Samurai_Writer]

271. Women

Especially women who have been the victim of violent crime. Every time a thread is started, there are several 'blame the victim' posts. Not to mention the general sexism that is rampant on DU. My ignore list is well over 200 just for misogynistic remarks/attitudes of posters.

[porphyrian]

275. I acknowledge that women get bashed here, but more than any other group? -n/t

[Samurai_Writer]

278. Yes, because it's deemed acceptable

Things that are said about women on this board would never be tolerated if it were said about an ethnic group, gays, a religious group, etc. Most people have their eyes closed when it comes to misogynism here. Not saying that you do, of course. Just in general.

[porphyrian]

281. You think woman-bashing is deemed acceptable here?

I just don't agree with that.

[Samurai_Writer]

289. We will have to agree to disagree then

I've been here since 2002, and it's grown worse and worse since then. I think it's something that is often accepted here.

[porphyrian]

290. Answers to this poll are relative to individual perceptions and group identity. -n/t

[BurtWorm]

272. Other: Masochists

And they LIKE it!

:spank:

[porphyrian]

276. Everyone needs a home. -n/t

[La Lioness Priyanka]

277. white male heterosexual christians, just like in the rest of this country. nt

[porphyrian]

282. They sure seem to think so. -n/t

[Yukari Yakumo]

280. Democrats by a huge margin.

Posting something along the lines of "Fuck Pelosi" will get you 100 replies and 100 recs minimum.

Meanwhile, a post on the Senate Judiciary Committee passing a resolution on finding Rove and Bolton in contempt of Congress doesn't even crack double digits.

Anyone see a problem here?

[porphyrian]

283. Nope, because of expectations.

Democrats are supposed find Rove and Bolton in contempt of Congress. That's their job, and they're about a year late in doing it. And that is why people post things like "fuck Pelosi" that get agreement - many of us feel betrayed by the people who are supposed to be representing us. If you own a business and you hire someone to clean the bathrooms, would you allow them to make excuses for a year before they did it? Even if the excuses are valid, the performance is entirely unacceptable.

[Zywiec]

284. Interesting: Christians and Republican are about equal

even though all of the Democratic candidates for president are Christians.

:shrug:

[porphyrian]

286. It's all about perceptions and group identities. -n/t

[A-Schwarzenegger]

291. I think it's about feelings & emotions. I.e., Ouch!

A third of those responding are saying they're hurt by what is said about Christians on DU. I assume they mean what they say. I do. For me it hurts to have my beliefs regularly trashed. There I said it. Ouch. Gee, yep, I'm sensitive. Isnt being sensitive (to others hurting as well as our own) a quality of a progressive, a quality the RW mocks us for? It especially hurts to be lumped in with the RW because of my belief, a belief which is really for me a main root of my progressive views.

Other posters are saying no, the first bunch is wrong, theyre not hurt, or they want to see themselves as hurt (martyrs), or theyre not as hurt as a lot of other people or groups here, or they deserve being mocked and ridiculed for believing what they believe. Still, to me, it comes down to a sizeable number of DUers--Christians or sympathizers--simply saying ouch. I'm curious if the poll has surprised anybody else or led anybody to consider changing their posting behavior.

[porphyrian]

292. You're not contradicting what I said, not that doing so was necessarily your intent.

Feelings get hurt when someone perceives that a group they identify with (or otherwise support) is being bashed. Hurt feelings can blur and exaggerate the actual number of instances and/or severity of bashing.

And I'm not sure anyone learns anything from any of my posts other than how much of an asshole I can be, heh, heh. But, if so, great and if not, whatever.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

294. I was just offering another facet of it is all.

I guess because I see myself as an independent Christian,
the idea of group identity makes me draw back a little.
I believe emotions drive us a lot more than we might like to think,
and even some of our most "rational" responses.
For me the thread was educational and in fact inspiring,
and I'm also surprised that there were only a couple deleted messages
in the whole parade.

[porphyrian]

295. I'm surprised, too.

I think it was pretty successful, and I'm glad you got something out of it anyway.

[DireStrike]

285. By volume...

Republicans, Democrats, and Christians are in a very close running. Of course, these categories may overlap subjectively... where do you put Hillary bashing for example?

The rest are certainly violently bashed BUT in far smaller numbers.

Also, you forgot "conspiracy theorists" and "the loony left."

[porphyrian]

287. Yeah, I left a bunch of things out arbitrarily, but DU polls can only have 10 answers. -n/t