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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 09:23 AM
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McCain says Roe v. Wade should be overturned
There is both great irony and intense shame that this guy is saying this in South Carolina. Honestly, if I ever wanted to be something so bad that it made me turn into a rat like McCain, just shoot me. -WB

McCain says Roe v. Wade should be overturned
Presidential hopeful reaching out to GOP conservatives

SPARTANBURG, S.C. - Republican presidential candidate John McCain, looking to improve his standing with the party’s conservative voters, said Sunday the court decision that legalized abortion should be overturned.

“I do not support Roe versus Wade. It should be overturned,” the Arizona senator told about 800 people in South Carolina, one of the early voting states.

McCain also vowed that if elected, he would appoint judges who “strictly interpret the Constitution of the United States and do not legislate from the bench.”


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17222147/
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 09:25 AM
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1. How dumb does McCain think conservatives are?
I suspect he will found out that they aren't dumb enough to fall for this one.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 09:25 AM
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2. And what portion of the Constitution prohibits abortion?
:shrug:
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 09:33 AM
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9. Well in fairness no part but neither does it explicitly
forbid abortion. Instead the protections found in Roe v Wade are derived from a right to privacy which is not clearly defined in the document. Of course the same document clearly notes that rights not enumerated or restricted in the document by either the federal government or the state belong to the people. The argument that there is no fundamental right to privacy is dishonest.

In particular the 9th amendment is the bane of the fascists:

"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

And worse, it was their much cited Federalist faction who clearly stated that even the bill of rights itself was both unneccesary and dangerous "inasmuch as it would be impossible to list all rights it would be dangerous to list some because there would be those who would seize on the absence of the omitted rights to assert that government was unrestrained as to those."
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment09/

Strict constructionist (originalists) are basically full of shit.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 10:39 AM
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20. yeah, a strict constructionist is basically a bigot in a black robe
:)
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 10:41 AM
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21. Well, in the "strict constructionist" period that it was written
abortion was legal. In fact, men could demand that their wives have an abortion.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 10:50 AM
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22. Funny how the women had no choice in the matter
But then if people want a "strict constructionist" interpretation we'll need to keep abortion legal. :shrug:
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 11:17 AM
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23. Yup. When the Constitution was constructed, neither women nor abortion
were an issue.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 09:27 AM
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3. 'Will this convince people to have safe, committed sex?'
is that what he's thinking?

It's up there with "No sex before 30" said by some... and then one reads the magazine article where people are holding off on families until well after 30 because they're paying off credit card debt...

G00fy.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 09:32 AM
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8. the logic is insane
I like how all of these guys get on the abstinence bandwagon, turning all preachy, yet they end up saying things like: "Well, I made the wrong choices when I was young." Psh, hey buddy, the world exists in reality. Young people are going to screw, it happens. You did it, I did it, pretty much 99 percent of the world did it. Abstinence is good, I'm abstinent now, for my own reasons, but please, not when I was 19 years old, you know? :)

I would be interested in knowing just how many brothels McCain visited when he was in the military or how many times did he cheat on his first wife? Not that I would care in the first place, but when hypocrites start preaching all this moral/family values shit, they should be called on it.
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 09:28 AM
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4. Of course he does
He's sucking up to the Dominionists. He needs the help of the likes of Pat Robertson to stand a chance of winning; the Christian freeper-types in this country are desperately disappointed in Bush** and want a candidate who'll lead their bloody crusade for them.
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formerrepuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 09:29 AM
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5. He's not running for President of South Carolina, fortunately.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 09:30 AM
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6. Desperation is ALREADY setting in with McCain trailing in the early polls..........
such are the ramblings of a RW CONservative political whore.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 09:39 AM
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11. the guy is so desperate and obsessed with being president
that he has spent the last decade or so, saying and doing anything just so he could get his shot. In the last 4 or 5 years he has gotten absolutely unbearable. I could never trust someone like that who wants to be president so bad that they would sell out to anything and everyone.
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 09:31 AM
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7. McCain will not be president...
period... we are not South Carolina
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 09:34 AM
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10. it's interesting that even GOP voters consider McCain such a rat
that they prefer Giuliani over him, and Rudy has a much less Conservative record.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 09:45 AM
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12. And I'd like to see the right to unencumbered abortion to be an amendment
to the Federal Constitution.

But McCain and I will be denied our wish and we'll have to get along with Roe v. Wade for the timebeing.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 09:57 AM
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13. http://www.TheRealMcCain.com
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 10:07 AM
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14. oh yes,,, we all know the Real McCain
Trust me, I live in Arizona, it is not a pretty picture. :)
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Hav Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 10:09 AM
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15. .
Apparently that is what every Repub has to say to win a Primary. They will always use it.
It's almost sad what kind of pitiful being McCain turned out to be. He has no shame, he'd even betray his family for the Presidency. Oh, he already did that by not standing up for them and instead he chose to kiss Bush's butt.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 10:24 AM
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17. exactly
I couldn't have said it better.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 10:10 AM
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16. Why don't all the anti-abortionists live in the Carolinas and leave the rest of us alone?
Because it wouldn't be enough for them.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 10:26 AM
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18. we have many good DUers in those states
that I would never wish that upon. :) I just wish the nutjobs would leave us alone, period. They set our country back so much and so far, it just saddens me.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 10:29 AM
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19. Okay, how about Mississippi or Alabama.
You get my drift. They want to control, yet can't answer where Christ told them to do so. Oh well.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 12:39 PM
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24. I remember when there were DU'ers hoping Kerry would make him his VP!
Sheesh....McCain becomes more and more insane. Manchurian candidate....from his torture in Vietnam?

What else could explain his totally bizarre behavior? Chimp ruins him in SC and he kisses the Chimp...then years later goes to SC and wants to overturn Roe vs. Wade? Aside from his flip flopping on the War and almost every other thing he's ever said....he's a Bush Soldier and nothing else.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 12:49 PM
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25. Flip-Flop!!!! He should
Edited on Mon Feb-19-07 12:59 PM by Breeze54
be vilified like they did to Kerry in 2004!!

Him and Mitt the Shit!! Flip Floppers!!!

McCain’s flourishing flip-flop list

http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/9111.html

In 1999, McCain was in New Hampshire, campaigning for the GOP nomination as a moderate. He proclaimed himself a pro-life candidate, but told reporters that “in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade.” He explained that overturning Roe would force “women in America to illegal and dangerous operations.” Yesterday, campaigning for the GOP nomination as a conservative, McCain said the opposite.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Let me ask one question about abortion. Then I want to turn to Iraq. You’re for a constitutional amendment banning abortion, with some exceptions for life and rape and incest.

MCCAIN: Rape, incest and the life of the mother. Yes.

STEPHANOPOULOS: So is President Bush, yet that hasn’t advanced in the six years he’s been in office. What are you going to do to advance a constitutional amendment that President Bush hasn’t done?

MCCAIN: I don’t think a constitutional amendment is probably going to take place, but I do believe that it’s very likely or possible that the Supreme Court should — could overturn Roe v. Wade, which would then return these decisions to the states, which I support…. Just as I believe that the issue of gay marriage should be decided by the states, so do I believe that we would be better off by having Roe v. Wade return to the states.

The old McCain didn’t want an amendment and didn’t want Roe overturned. The new McCain completely disagrees with the old McCain.

more.........


:grr: What a complete liar!!!
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 12:50 PM
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26. Hop aboard the Bullshit Express!
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 01:06 PM
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27. He's trying to grab the "Chumpsianity" vote
Like Bush was able to do.

David Kuo's "Tempting Faith"
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Katherine Brengle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 01:09 PM
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28. Every time I read about McCain, I want to puke a little more.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 08:40 PM
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29. and that pretty much sums it up
:)
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