For those who claim Paul is principled: What's principled about wanting to condemn people to death?

[cali]

Paul wants to do away with OSHA and all other protections for workers. He wants to strip regulation from business. He wants to do away with all Federal environmental laws and protections. If he got his way, the elderly, children, women, minorities and others would suffer, and there would be a substantial increase in workplace deaths and deaths caused by other policies he'd like to enact. So tell me, how exactly is that principled?

[KingFlorez]

1. To the people who claim he's principled, the other issues don't matter

It's all about him being anti-war, they don't seem to mind his stances on other issues.

[cali]

4. Well, a lot of people seem to claim he's principled outside of that

and what I'm getting to is so what? If your principles suck, what does it matter that you stand up for them?

[mdmc]

13. In a world of lies, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

He advocates for unpopular positions that he believes in.

To many that is radical, unprecedented.

[TwilightZone]

2. His support here is nothing more than ignorance.

Anyone who bothers to spend a few minutes reviewing his record and/or the Libertarian Party platform should realize that he's about as far from Democratic principles as it gets.

One stance on one issue does not a principled politician make.

[ashling]

3. "principle" is a neutral word

As a matter of fact, he sticks by his principles very well. The Libertarian principles of small (read "No") govt. No doubt his principles are neither yours nor mine.

Of course, I knew you were being sarcastic, but believe it or not, there are some people here who think that their belief systems are the only one's worthy of being called that.

[cali]

5. I think that principles that lead to suffering

and death of the most vulnerable among us, are hardly principles worth admiring. And that he stands by them doesn't make him admirable either.

[ashling]

7. I agree 100%

But they are principles nonetheless.

[DavidDvorkin]

6. He is principled, but the principles are evil ones

Hitler was principled. Many evil and dangerous people are, but the principles they adhere to are evil. It's absurd to admire or respect such people because they're principled.

[ashling]

8. exactly

n/t

[mdmc]

9. who cares about those folks?

Ron Paul supporters don't care. They are out for theirs and theirs alone. They are honest and up front about it.

Now take all those things in your OP, and apply them to free trade. Doesn't everything said about Paul in your OP apply to free traders as well? How does supporting free trade help workers? Are the jobs safer when they are outsourced?

How many free traders do we have as front runners in our party? How many supported free trade when it was popular, then opposed it when it became unpopular? Do they really support workers or do they just support workers when the polls say it is ok to do so?

The dems will always be better then the pukes when it comes to workers rights. That is not good enough for me. I want a pro-worker party, not a better then the GOP party. One day we will have both (a pro-worker party that is better then the GOP) my friend.

[cali]

11. I don't think it's quite the same thing, no.

Unfettered free trade; certainly a bad thing for people here and at the other end. Trade agreements with strong protections for workers are the antidote for that. I'm not happy with Clinton's signing onto the Peru agreement or her history on trade, but as I recall Edwards does not support it. but your right about his conversion. Still, I'll take conversion if it's sincere.

[mdmc]

12. I am stuck on the authenticity my friend

I find his authenticity refreshing. I know where he stands and I appreciate that.

That being said, HRC will be the next president. No one can stop her. I just wish I could get behind her.

Anyway, I will support DK. I will vote my silly vote in NYS, confident that HRC will get my electoral vote.

And in 2009, things will be a bit better.

Peace and low stress...

[DeepModem Mom]

10. K&R