CSPAN - Cuba talk. muy interesante.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

first nutball caller.

FUCKING DEMOCRAT COMMUNISTS LIKE FUCKING CHRIS DODD! FUCKING DEMOCRAT COMMUNISTS!

Oh my, I need my fix of wingbat nutjobs in the AM.

On one side,neocon Frank Calzon, who loves the current admin's stance on Cuba.
On the other, some woman I do not recognize by the name of Elsa Falkenburger

[KharmaTrain]

1. Elsa Falkenburger

Ahhh...another RW talking point being made a topic on Washington Journal. But this lady appears to be laying out fact after fact, while Calzon still is fighting the Cold War. If they think this embargo will force some kind of post-Castro change, just like they thought the embargo would bring him down, our "intelligence" community has failed again.

Not long ago, I met with a second-generation Cuban. His parents came over right after the revolution and he's traveled to his home town several times. He pointed out how the older generation still holds a lot of political and financial power that is now in bed with the GOOP and the only way the national party taps into this is with perpetuating the embargo. Change already has happened in Cuba...it's just a matter of time for the older generation to die out and these debates will seem foolish.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

2. very well put. I liked listening to her.

she made a lot of sense.

[SoCalDem]

3. Time to end the embargo.. actually the time was decades ago,

The people who came here in the immediate aftermath of the revolución, are probably old or passed on by now (as are my grandparents & aunt from Cuba).. The dream of "going back" is just that.. a dream..

Their descendants have never seen Cuba, except from looking at Abuela's scrapbook.. They have no reason to go, except from curiosity..They will not be moving there..

the poorest of the poor who had to reamin there will still be poor..even after Castro dies.. In fact they may be worse off..just as the poor russians found out once the USSR collapsed.

They will lose their medical/education/pension/ and housing assistance. Free-market capitalism will grind them under the boot-heel as surely as Fidel did..only they will suffer more with no assistance coming their way.