"George Bush is not a Republican, he's a giant corporation disguised as a human being."

[Fire Walk With Me]

Ralph Nader, on Bill Maher.

As if Republicanism is anything but corporatism...check the worldwide value of the USD and the total bill for the "wars". Last I heard, Bush has cost taxpayers up to 2.4 trillion dollars on that front alone.

Goodbye America.

http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gmarchive/2004/02/predatory_capit.html

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

1. For some reason, criticism of Bush from Nader leaves me a bit cold.

[aquart]

12. Icy.

[Occulus]

23. Not to mention, nauseous n/t

[QC]

25. It's like Typhoid Mary complaining about people getting typhoid. n/t

[porphyrian]

2. If we're going to be essentialist about it, isn't he really a fucking piece of shit traitor?

Oooooooo, you said "Nader" without blaming him for the outcome of the 2000 elections. Now you're gonna get it...

[Jim__]

3. And why is George Bush president, Ralph?

[lynnertic]

5. It's so not Ralph Nader's fault so just stop that old tired sour-grapes argument

and listen to what the man has to say.

edited to add the part about sour grapes.

[Deja Q]

8. Now now, parrots can only recite what they hear.

And parrots prefer repeating loud, animated sounds than they do reasoned ones.

Speaking of, mine just screeched and whistled in the pattern I'd taught him for when he wants breakfast.

[aquart]

13. It's not his fault because he even failed as a spoiler.

But he tried to put George in office. That was, I recall, his stated goal. So George would destroy the country and we would all rise up and acclaim Ralph for being right.

He has no credibility whatsoever. His ego ate it.

[Deja Q]

7. Possibly because:

1. Al Gore ran his campaign with as much robotic tendencies as Nader had; talk about lacklustre
2. People were still pissed off over Clinton's inability to control himself
3. The arguable belief Katherine Harris and Jeb Bush were planning chicanery in Florida
4. The recount mess
5. Another arguable belief that the Supreme Court basing their ruling over their political affiliations rather than looking at all the evidence, including the "popular vote" - the only incontrovertible evidence being the popular vote was ignored; the rest is up for debate

If Oscar the Grouch ran, and got more votes than Nader, Oscar would have been the one scapegoated.

[InkAddict]

21. Puppets one and all.

The puppet masters decide who will be on stage, what actions the dummy will take, and in what voice it will speak. Two-legged puppets are both the hardest and easiest to manipulate.

Puppet master thought it would be fun if The Count screwed up and had to rely on a panel of Piggies to set things straight. We ended up with that One Bat in My Belfrey...but wait there's more.

[TahitiNut]

10. The Nader-bashing brings JOY to the bowels of the predatory corporatists.

Every time someone on the 'left' indulges themselves in the self-righteous blame-shifting to Nader for the abject failures of that same 'left' to fill the streets in protest for a totally corrupted electoral process, the corrupt corporatists cheer!

Nader has been, for decades, one of the most steadfast voices raising the alarm about corruption in Korporate Amerika ... but the narcotized inhabitants of Disneyland just don't want to listen to the warnings from the mean streets of Anaheim.

Fuck! It's no wonder that the GOP tosses a few measly shekels to Nader from their overflowing coffers ... it's money well-spent in getting the 'left' to kill one of their own and totally ignore what he's been saying for decades.

Fucking STUPID. Pogo's words have never been truer.

[Fire Walk With Me]

14. Bravo!

Great post. Unity, not blame. Especially when the Republicans are to blame for everything that everyone here is blaming Nader for.

Nader isn't and wasn't the enemy. The old-boy network is.

If you blame Nader, please read the following:

"We're going to take Florida. You can count on it." -Dubya, as best as I can remember the quote off the top of my head.

[aquart]

15. He lied. People are still repeating the lie. It's still a lie.

Alito and Ginsberg are not the same. The parties that elected the presidents that appointed those judges who are not the same are not the same.

Every other word out of his mouth has been made worthless by that lie.

[TahitiNut]

17. Some folks are so immersed in the "kill the messenger" paradigm ...

... it's no wonder that the 'left' is so damned cowardly. Jesus! Who the FUCK can possibly please the witch-hunters in their midst 100% of the time?

DU is the most messenger-centric I've ever seen it. The 'message' is dealt with superficially, if at all, and it's all about joining the Fan Club or the Tar and Feather mob. Virtually every discussion immediately deteriorates into the most simplistic, zombie-brained game of "Saints & Devils" that mere "judgmentalism" seems comparatively enlightened.

Criticize a candidate's position regarding an issue and it's called "bashing" ... fucking insane.


It's the same ol' Coke vs. Pepsi war ... and some folks are absolutely ZEALOUS that the difference is huge. Well, I'm not a cola-drinker ... OR a Kool-Aid addict.

[arendt]

18. Broken clock right twice a day. Baby/bathwater. Bush=corp is TRUE. Why stomp on the TRUTH? n/t

[TahitiNut]

19. Some can't seem to stay focused on message vs. messenger.

It's no accident that personal attacks run rampant on DU these days. Simplistic, cartoonish, and superficial comprehension of the issue and knee-jerk lynch mobs form at the drop of a single word. The 'message' (or straw man mischaracterization) is mere grist for the mill as the nooses are readied and the latest target of ire is strung up. It's a societal mindset that's always been ripe for fascism - and it's unbounded by such terms as 'left' or 'right.'

[arendt]

20. Sad but true.

My absolute refusal to participate in "the permanent campaign/money primary" has saved my "messages" from getting trashed simply for picking a candidate.

Nevertheless, there have been attempted lynchings for the criminal offense of using the Frank Rich term "good Germans".

My personal opinion is that what you call "simplistic, cartoonish, and superficial" has been deliberately engineered at DU. Its like Gresham's law turning up in politics: bad arguing drives out good arguing. I think the moderators should have locked the campaign stuff in a box and thrown it in the ocean. The horse-race and the personal attacks are ruining DU.

arendt

[aquart]

26. And lots of people say it.

Nader has lost his claim to be a prophet of anything. His ego destroyed him.

[lame54]

4. "giant corporation disguised as a human" = republican

here is what republicans bring:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7678699283388177257

[Fire Walk With Me]

9. Republicans are parasites. Parasites tend to leave corpses.

Thank you for taking the message and not shooting the messenger. George Bush is resident because of the Supreme Court doing a stacked deck and end-run around the electoral process, because of daddy's old-boy network, not because of any legit voter total.

Can we stick to the problem and its solution? We are all in this together. We have managed to do nearly nothing to curb the parasitic spending of our tax dollars. We must stop the country from falling out of the group of 1st-world economies. It's not going to happen by simply waiting around for it to happen!

[Cirque du So-What]

6. He's more like a 'consortium' than a corporation

since he represents the interests of various special interests - big oil, big pharma, big ag, etc.

[Itchinjim]

11. Ralph Nader is a giant tool disguised as a human being.

Can you tell us again Ralph how there is no difference between Al Gore and George Bush?
Just shut the fuck up and go away Ralph.

[abq e streeter]

16. I remember watching Gore and Bush "debating"

and sitting there amazed and sickened at how the two of them seemed to agree on almost everything. There WAS a big difference between them but the Terry Mc Auliffe-led party machinery did a brilliant job of making sure as few people as possible knew it. Gore himself does not blame Nader; he knows damned well, from what I can discern from a distance anyway, that besides the theft in Florida, the timidity of our party was responsible for the at the time reasonable assumption of little difference between Gore and Bush by many progressives. ( and I DID vote for Gore by the way) Gore seems to be one of the relatively few national Dem leaders that has figured this out yet, if our "bold leaders" like Reid and Pelosi are any indication. Continuing to angrily blame Nader is counter-productive besides being ridiculous; it lets our party off the hook for allowing this disaster to happen ( and continue to) through its own spinelessness.

[LeftishBrit]

22. I would describe him more...

as a giant turd rather badly disguised as a human being!

[Hand]

24. Wrong--he's the quintessential Republican.

And Nader just gave the perfect definition. Accidentally, of course.

[stray cat]

27. Nader is right - the manchurian candidate is in office