Pete Stark is my new hero

[w8liftinglady]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/10/18/politics/politico/thecrypt/main3381751.shtml
) House Republicans objected today to comments made by outspoken liberal Democratic Rep. Pete Stark of California on the Iraq war during debate on the override of President Bush's veto of the children's health program.

Speaking on the House floor, Stark said, "Under the Republican plan, by
2017, we probably will have killed 20,000 soldiers in Iraq, spending
$200 billion."

Rep. Joe Barton (R-Texas) rose to protest the remark and asked that Stark's words be taken down, a formal procedure to punish a member of Congress for breaching the House's standards of decorum.

The chair later ruled that Stark's comment did not refer to any specific House member and thus were appropriate.

Earlier in the SCHIP debate, Stark had made other spirited remarks.

“You don't have money to fund the war or children,'' he said. "But you're going to spend it to blow up innocent people if we can get enough kids to grow old enough for you to send to Iraq to get their heads blown off for the president's amusement."

Responding promptly and harshly to Stark, the National Republican Congressional Committee declared he had "trampled on the sacrifice of our troops."

[Sneaky Sailor]

1. I kind of agree

"send to Iraq to get their heads blown off for the president's amusement."

Over the line, INMHO

[TornadoTN]

4. Oh, did someone offend your delicate sensibilities?

I saw your thread regarding "where did this originate". If you bothered to pay attention the past seven years, you wouldn't have to ask such a ridiculous question.

Are you trying to impress your buddies over at the site that shall not be mentioned by posting here?

[Sneaky Sailor]

7. Oh get off it

I am NOT A FREEPER, I may be the last believer in Civil Discourse in the halls of Congress but I will stick buy it.. that statement just stuck out at me.

[TornadoTN]

9. You call seven years of what Bush and the GOP has done to our country "CIVIL DISCOURSE"?

Ridiculous. It's about time people start calling a spade a spade.

[Sneaky Sailor]

11. Did I say that it was????

Please cite examples....

[TornadoTN]

16. When one of our people calls them out in no uncertain terms, it's "wrong"

But when they smash our constitution, lead us into economic oblivion, and kill (blow the heads off) thousands of innocent civilians and soliders, we should just somehow accept it and follow "civil discourse"? That's part of the reason why we are at this point today.

[Sneaky Sailor]

28. Once again, I dont have a problem with what he was saying

Just that one phrase...

[merh]

12. Civil Discourse? Is that what they call lies and the refusal to

represent the people and to do what is right for the nation? Damn, learn something new every day.

[Sneaky Sailor]

14. Just because the Republicans do it, does not mean

we should...

[TornadoTN]

19. Sadly, it's how they continue to dominate the discussion today

So maybe, just maybe, playing by their rulebook for once might resonate for once.

Time to stop playing "nice" and take it to them with cold hard facts.

[merh]

22. Just because the republicans do what?

:shrug:

[TornadoTN]

24. The man was just telling the truth in the halls of Congress.

Reality is brutal. Sometimes you have to use those words to get people to pay attention.

We know that the Republican's are incapable of telling the truth about anything, so what was wrong with this statement?

[truebrit71]

47. You don't take a knife to a gunfight...

..time to fight fire with fire...

Enough with this "higher road" shit...

[Gormy Cuss]

13. Yes it is. The president should explain why he's really sending our troops to Iraq.

What Stark said is crude but less so than dozens of comments made every day in Congress. Perhaps he should have used more concise language like Cheney's instruction to Patrick Leahy.

[TornadoTN]

21. Yes, I'm sure that qualifies as "civil discourse" to our friend Sailor

:sarcasm: :sarcasm:

[Sneaky Sailor]

23. Listen, you can play your little vulgar game

and I will play it my way. I may loose but I will loose with my principles intact.

[TornadoTN]

25. Let's do a comparison

Cheney (R) to Leahy (D) - "Go Fuck yourself"

Stark : “You don't have money to fund the war or children,'' he said. "But you're going to spend it to blow up innocent people if we can get enough kids to grow old enough for you to send to Iraq to get their heads blown off for the president's amusement."

There's only one statement that is vulgar. One is filled with the cold harsh reality of the situation we are in. Oh, and this isn't a "game", so you are in the wrong place if you want to go about accusing others of playing a "game".

[Sneaky Sailor]

27. I just dont approve of the statement

I am sorry you dont approve of my disapproval, but thankfully, I do not answer to you.

Peace out...


:hippie:

[TornadoTN]

30. Curious, why do you disapprove of it?

There is nothing in that statement that doesn't illustrate the truth and the gravity of the situation.

Remember the President getting on TV and joking about finding the WMD's that we went to Iraq in the first place to find? "Nope, no WMD's here".

[Sneaky Sailor]

34. I said

I would never accuse a man of taking pleasure in another persons horrible death...

I have only thought that about two people, and that was because I saw their eyes as they killed a man. Even then I did not articulate it.

You can not see into another mans heart.

[John Q. Citizen]

44. One need look no further than bush's remarks about the execution of a woman

in Texas to see that, yes, bush does take pleasure in another person's horrible death.

[Sneaky Sailor]

46. You can use that as your threshold but

I need a hell of alot more than that to justify a loaded statement like Rep Stark's statement.

[in_cog_ni_to]

50. Stark's statement is loaded and the psycho's illegal invasion, murdering our troops, is what to you?

:eyes: What a crock. The truth hurts, I know.

[Sneaky Sailor]

56. The truth does not hurt me one bit

just making an observation...

[in_cog_ni_to]

49. The man has no heart to look into! What the hell are you talking about?! He's a SOCIOPATH!

He feels NOTHING for those kids being murdered in Iraq! HELL, how many people do you know who can talk about WWIII with a damn SMILE on their face??? The psycho did! Just yesterday. Don't tell me the man isn't enjoying the murders committed in his name. It makes him feel powerful. he's a sick, sick man.

[Sneaky Sailor]

55. I am glad you have a psychology degree

Once again, I will not voice my opinion about the man because it is not appropriate for active duty service members to do so in a public forum, however I simply do not condone the implication of the statement that soldiers are loosing their heads for "his amusement"

[Twillig]

53. lose.

[truebrit71]

26. Over the line? No, I don't think so...

...sure you're in the right place?

[Sneaky Sailor]

31. You are right

I SHOULD be in FR. Because they welcome me with Open Arms, right????


Ive been banned from FR 5 times...

[me b zola]

39. Do you speak sanskrit?

Just curious.

[Sneaky Sailor]

40. apparently... n/t

[Karenina]

54. BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

:rofl::toast::rofl:

[roguevalley]

35. since its true, I have no problem with it. death is worse than feelings.

[trumad]

42. Now I got to do a search on you...

I hate when I have to do that...

[Gelliebeans]

51. You know what you are gonna find

:evilgrin:

[in_cog_ni_to]

45. LOL....you don't honestly believe the psycho-in-chief isn't enjoying seeing OTHER people's kids

getting murder, do you? You need a reality check if you don't believe he is amused by it all! His daughters aren't there. THAT is all that matters to that psycho.

[BrklynLib at work]

2. Quiet, polite criticism is ignored. Sometimes the truth must be told, even if it is ugly.

[leftchick]

3. ouch! Whora O'Donnell berating him on MSRNC

said she imagines most democrats will be running from this statement like the move-on ad. Wait, I think she may be right on this.

:(

[bobbolink]

5. Sadly, yes, I would bet she is right.

CRAP!

:mad:

[hisownpetard]

10. Damn, I hope not. Sometimes you have to stop whispering and shout!

[lpbk2713]

6. It's not like he wasn't telling the truth.

They just didn't like hearing what he had to say about their beloved AWOL Monkey-Boy.

[bobbolink]

8. So, pleeez write/call his office, and THANK him!

We all know he'll get all kinds of hate mail over this...

Toll-free Capitol Hill Switchboard numbers...

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[Sneaky Sailor]

15. Already called him... n/t

[malaise]

18. He has responded to the chicken hawks

I'm searching for a link

[malaise]

17. Didn't see this and started a thread thanking him.

K & R

[bobbolink]

20. Small Suggestion... when your thread fills, send it to his office!

He needs to feel the love....

:hi:

[malaise]

37. Good idea n/t

[Hepburn]

29. Bravo, Rep. Stark!!!! K&R!!

:applause: :toast: :bounce: :beer: :thumbsup: :kick: :headbang: :yourock: :applause: :patriot: :woohoo:

PS: Fuck "civil discourse!" We Dems NEED to speak the truth!

[lazyriver]

32. I want to hear such passionate statements from ALL

the Dem's in Congress every f'ing day until this criminal war ends and this criminal administration is locked behind bars. It's time, actually way past time for the politicians who oppose this war and the crimes of the right wing to get as pissed off about it as the rest of us. Good for Rep. Stark

[progressoid]

33. Yep, he keeps getting better and better.

[me b zola]

36. I get tired of all of the tap-dancing around the truth

It's so good to hear the ugly truth clearly spoken from an elected representative.

Congressman Stark, :yourock:

[bobbolink]

38. I was tap-dancing around Stark....

:evilgrin:

[Hieronymus]

41. You tell 'em, Pete.

[in_cog_ni_to]

43. Oh man! I missed that! I hope C-SPAN replays it tonight!

WTG, Pete!!!! :bounce:

[w8liftinglady]

48. I especially love the fact that my nemesis,"Smoky Joe" ,was

offended.

[Twillig]

52. "trampled on the sacrifice of our troops."

'trampled on our sacrificing of the troops.' would be a lil' closer to reality.