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ewoden Donating Member (634 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 09:20 PM
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Thanks so much to all of you at DU
I feel like part of some bigger family. You folks are top notch.

I am hoping that things will calm down between my estranged wife and I. I am caving on a lot of material stuff, things she wants/needs to start her new apartment and make things more comfortable for our youngest daughter. Nobody wants to see our daughter in a empty room staring at the walls. I want things as peaceful as possible. Fighting over a TV set, as someone said in my last thread, is really trivial and nonconstructive. Now if we start quibbling over memorabilia, kids' art work, family albums it might get more tense.

I'd really like to have my girl stay at home with me, but she is with her mom for now. At 16 she's making a lot of decisions for herself. She has indicated that she is not the happiest with the situation (new apartment away from her dogs, and in a new neighborhood). But at least she's staying the same school and I figure she can always come over and see the pups.

All of the 56 comments to my situation were great, well except the moderator deleted ones:eyes:

Thanks for taking the time to listen and respond. You all make me feel much less alone on this.
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 09:23 PM
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1. That's the great thing about DU.
You can always get good advice here about something you are dealing with, because someone here has dealt with it before you.

Except maybe the advice to "go f*** yourself". That seems to still be physically impossible. ;-)
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PDJane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 09:24 PM
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3. and emotionally unsatisfying, but I digress........eom.
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PDJane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 09:24 PM
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2. Hang in there.......
do your best to be reasonable, keep track of what she takes. This sounds petty, but when it comes to splitting the assets and court actions, believe me, you will be glad you did.

I suggest finding some place safe to file this stuff too.

It will get easier, I promise. The more reasonable you can be, the better it is for the kids.

:hug:
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ewoden Donating Member (634 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 09:32 PM
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4. Can you imagine . . .
Edited on Sat Oct-06-07 09:34 PM by ewoden
This all comes down on the girl's SAT weekend and homecoming dance. Not to mention the effect on my daughter in university, who is on the road playing college ball and getting info in dribs and drabs. here thoughts "I wonder where I'll land over Thanksgiving and winter break." Those are the heart wrenching things. Oh and trying to keep a stable place for my 15 year old beagle and my heart as big as all outdoors 5 year old lab.

If I wind up in an apartment, heck I don't know how those pups are going to react. Shoot here I go again winding myself up. breathe, readjust. . . better now.

Anybody have experience with dogs in apartments, especially when you work 8-10 hours straight?
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Booster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 09:55 PM
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9. I don't think an apt would work for you, and it would be really bad
for the dogs. See if you can find a small house/duplex with even a tiny yard. Dogs don't really need a huge yard, as they don't really run around a whole lot and you can always take them someplace where they can chase sticks, etc. I had rental property for years and always rented to people who had pets; I always found them to be quieter and more responsible. Keep your eyes open and I'll bet you can find such a place. The house might be smaller than you would like, but it still would be better.
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Colorado Progressive Donating Member (980 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 12:39 AM
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18. Sorry but it doesnt work.
We came home repeatedly with tickets on our door, finally had to put ads in newspaper. Dogs hate being locked up in apartments. Dont start thinking that way! You still have your house!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 12:53 AM
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19. Depends on the dog.
I lived on a ranch and my Lab wanted to be no where but under my desk the whole time. We might as well have lived in one 10X10 room.

I know you can make it work and that the pups will help you.

:hug:
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 11:33 PM
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16. Amen.. and take photos too..
I have many friends who have gone through this, and the more equitable they are with each other, the happier they both ended up.

The ones who fought over every last trinket, ended up pretty bitter, and the kids ultimately paid for it all..

In the final analysis, we don't take anything with us when we leave & life's too short to fight over it all..

At 16 that daughter will not be with either parent for all that much longer, and as long as the door is wide open, she'll choose where she spends her time, no matter what the address is on her school attendance forms :)

Fingers crossed for all involved :hug:





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shaniqua6392 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 09:42 PM
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5. I did not see your earlier post but...
I am sorry about you and your wife. I know how hard it can be. But don't fight over things. It is just too hard on the kids. My parents divorced when I was 16 and the way they went about it changed me greatly and not in very good ways. After several years of turmoil, choosing an abusive boyfriend and having a baby by the time I was 18, I realized how much I was affected by the divorce. Keep the peace. Show respect to your ex even if it is the most difficult thing you can do. Make copies of memorabilia, art work, pictures, etc. My parents fought over all of that stuff and I have no idea where it is to this day and I am 44 now. What seemed so important to them that they fought over it and then it was all just thrown away or something. Those items are really your daughter's anyway to have when she is a grown woman. Make her welcome at home with you and at home with her mom. Don't pull on her or you will push her away. Material things will mean nothing if you lose your relationship with your daughter. Sorry for the rant and I hope all goes well with you. Blessings and peace from a fellow DU'er.
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ewoden Donating Member (634 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 09:49 PM
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7. That's the kind of thing I so much want to avoid
It is a tragedy just waiting to happen. Tonight she got all dressed up, absolutely beautiful I might add, and went stepping out with her boyfriend to Homecoming. She looked so grown up. However, there is a little girl still under all that formal wear. A fragile flower that I would just fall to pieces if she went south on us.

She came by to see me tonight before the dance. I have this new picture taken tonight, she in her black dress, cradling the muzzle of our adoring black lab, looking into his eyes, her expression is haunting, I worry what's going on in that head.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 10:02 PM
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11. You did not rant and you did give some good advice there.
My first husband and I split up when our kids were very small. When our daughter was somewhere in her outrageous teens she said something that made me know that we got at least ONE thing right: She said that both of us over the years had mentioned several times that we had bent over backwards to be civil to each other, to be fair to each other in money and possessions, and so on, and that for a long time her inner response was along the lines of "Yeah yeah so what." But then I guess she started to observe what went on with a number of her friends' families...

Anyway, your post is heartfelt and from experience.

Hekate

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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 09:48 PM
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6. I didn't see your earlier post either, but hang in there!
Sorry to hear about you and your wife. Take care of yourself and your girls - and your dogs! :-)

And as for the dogs in an apt...they are far more resiliant than we give them credit for - give them lots of love and they'll just be happy to be with you.
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ewoden Donating Member (634 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 09:50 PM
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8. Thanks for the dog support
Both of them have always had a big yard and a big adjacent field to romp in.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 09:57 PM
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10. I live in an apt. and here's what some of my neighbors do:
We have balconies and some have installed doggie doors so the pups can get outside when they want. Also, the dog parks near us are always filled with happy puppies running around and exercising.

The other option would be a house rental if you want something smaller, cheaper and/or not permanent.

Hang in there! :hug:
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 10:04 PM
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12. Divorce is right up there in stress levels as death.
First? Take care of yourself.

Get sleep and know that not all will be solved in a day.

It takes time.

Be grateful that your child is 16 and not 3 & 5, like mine were... Ugh.

That made for extremely tumultuous years, until they were the same age as your daughter.

Kids can decide, at the age of 12 in a court, who they want to live with and it's legal.

Don't bother fighting that battle. It's a lose-lose situation.

Just try to calm down, see the forest for the tree's and know.....

that this to shall pass.... It really will and your kids will still love you, even though it

doesn't feel like that right now, they will. :hug: They come back and find you and ask questions

and they try to see both sides of the issue. At least they did in my case.

Hang in there. All is not lost, although it can seem that way. Be strong.

You WILL get through this, as many have already. :hug:

Now. Go out to a club and have a few beers and some fun!! You earned it!! ;)







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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 10:05 PM
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 10:11 PM
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14. you might try some subliminal tapes/CDs
on the subjects of stress, anger, relationships, etc. I've just recently been trying some of these for some of the various problems in my life and have found them to be rather useful.

They are cheap anyway; not $200.00 an hr. like a counselor/therapist charges. It's an option perhaps? :shrug:

I'm sorry to hear of your situation. I know when I was 16 years old, I really didn't want to be around Mom & Dad much anymore I remember. I moved out of a that same very dysfunctional home when I was 17 years old. That is how bad a bad home can be with parents fighting all of the time (the kids just simply leave ASAP). It is not a positive environment for any child of any age to thrive in, especially an oh so impressionable teenager.

Best of luck to you.

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TygrBright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 11:26 PM
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15. You're NOT alone, ewoden...
...that's the upside of the species and the technology.

You've had much good and encouraging advice. Here's a comment from me.

My mother divorced. Twice. The first one was way, way, back when 'respectable' women didn't get divorces-- it was neither an easy decision nor an easy thing to accomplish legally, back then. Especially since she was far in advance of the time when the law recognized reasons for divorce other than heinous crime/wrongdoing on the part of one of the parties. Back then, it was always the woman who got nasty assumptions made about her, UNLESS she went into a court and dragged her spouse through all kinds of mud, proving abuse, persistent/repeated/flagrant adultery, etc. My mother wasn't willing to do that, so the first divorce, from my father, was in slow motion, as it were... a long, drawn out, uncomfortable process for all concerned that left her (and sometimes us) enduring a lot of sideways looks from "respectable" people.

I was quite young. It was very difficult for me. I 'lost' my father then-- and some years later I lost him for good when he died.

She remarried a few years later to a very dear man who was a loving stepfather to me. Then, when I was an adolescent, she divorced HIM. My real father had died just a couple of years before, so I lost two fathers in a row, as it were.

But here's a big part of what I think made it possible for me to grow up reasonably stable and happy and successful (and I am INCREDIBLY successful-- not in money, but in happiness): Both divorces were extremely civilized, and the parents worked out excellent arrangements about where the kids spent time, etc. I never felt that either parent was trying to undermine or gang up on the other, and none of them ever expressed anything negative (to me) about each other. It was always just "Sometimes relationships stop working, and it's nobody's fault. We just had to admit that happened, and try something else."

Of COURSE I worried that it had something to do with me, and of course I kept quiet about it and stewed and had a difficult adolescence, etc. But there was always a bedrock of love and care underneath that kept me going.

I realized later, as an adult, that my father had had some issues about money and that the divorce had a major impact on him-- he took a big financial hit, gave up a lot, and it took a long time to get it back. He wasn't able to make child support payments sometimes, but my mother never made an issue of it as long as he did his share of visiting us, taking us to see the grandparents, etc., even though she was sometimes the sole support for three kids on a receptionist's income (which was pretty much a pittance back then.) They worked things out. It was hard on both of them, financially, in different ways. My mother hated having to accept help from her better-off siblings and their families. My father hated us knowing he lived in a SRO hotel. I think they did argue some but it never spilled over to us and they never let us see them in conflict with each other. They never ran each other down to us or in front of us, and never let others do so.

That was a truly priceless gift to us. Of course, back then there was a lot more cultural pressure to suck up negative feelings and pretend everything was fine; this was before "do your own thing" and "self-expression" and "venting" became popularly accepted. There was a lot of "not in front of the children." It had a downside but in our case it also had a big upside.

The second divorce was handled very much the same way except that it was not, financially, quite so tough, as my stepfather had always been very responsible and provident. Again, they always spoke well of each other to the kids, each respected our relationships with the other, and both did what they could to keep others from sticking their oars in with negative stuff.

I don't think divorce is ever easy for kids, and I wish there were less of it. But sometimes it's the only viable option. Kids can survive it, and can thrive, and can be successful in relationships, etc., as adults. How the parents handle it can have a huge influence on that. People who forego the comfort of expressing their hurt and resentment and anger and frustration, and undertake the really tough investment of cobbling together some kind of civil and pleasant relationship with a person whose very presence in their lives may evoke a lot of pain, can really help their kids. People who can live with and surmount the financial hardships and sacrifices that divorce imposes, without getting sucked into a cycle of blaming, resentment, competitiveness, etc., are being stellar parents, even if they couldn't make it work as spouses.

So you still have a chance to be a topnotch father, even if it isn't the way you'd hoped or imagined. Even if the rewards seem far-off or faint, right now. You can still keep faith with your daughter, and it will matter. Greatly.

encouragingly,
Bright
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 12:26 AM
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17. You're not alone. A lot of us have been through this.
:hug:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 12:58 AM
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20. I'm going through a divorce, too, and it's been really hard
because my family is the most important thing in my life. Always has been, always will be.

It takes time. Be so very good to you.
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