Are gender-neutral calculation of work value and ethnicity-neutral standardized tests possible?

[Boojatta]

Poll question: Are gender-neutral calculation of work value and ethnicity-neutral standardized tests possible?

[rug]

1. The question is too biased to produce a reliable answer.

[Boojatta]

2. Surely you jest.

:hi:

[porphyrian]

3. They are both possible, but completely unlikely due to statisticians.

They would never allow such data to be collected without demographic information.

[Jed Dilligan]

36. The problem with including these two variables in a single poll question

is that they aren't really comparable. The value of work inequities are based on prejudices in the mainstream culture. The ethnic bias of test scoring is based on actual differences in the ways different cultures think and learn. So I didn't vote.

[On the Road]

4. Is It Possible to Measure

whether the Irish and Italians are as productive as the Anglo-Saxons? If so, then I assume we'll eventually be able to measure the ethnic divisions people usually focus on today.

[Boojatta]

5. Kick to gather more votes and comments

[Boojatta]

6. Greedy for more votes and comments, Boojatta kicks the thread again.

[cgrindley]

7. What the hell does that even mean? (nt)

[Boojatta]

8. If you could identify the part of the Original Post that is unclear,

then it would be much easier for me to provide helpful clarification.

[cgrindley]

9. Everything after "are" and before "possible" (nt)

[Boojatta]

10. Are you looking primarily for a structural analysis of the sentence?

To clarify the meaning of "structural analysis", here's a beginning attempt by me to give a structural analysis of the sentence "Are you looking primarily for a structural analysis of the sentence":

"You" is the subject, "looking" or "looking for" is the verb, and "structural analysis of the sentence" is the object. That object can itself be analyzed into smaller units.

Are you looking primarily for a discussion of various shades of meaning associated with each and every item in the vocabulary that I used after "are" and before "possible"?

[cgrindley]

12. Why don't you just rephrase your question in a way that makes sense? (nt)

[Boojatta]

19. I don't know why you are having difficulty making sense of it.

For example, can you identify a particular word that you are having trouble making sense of?

Is there a word whose role in a sentence is unclear to you? For example, are you unable to determine the part of speech (noun or verb or ...) that is to be understood as being associated with a particular occurrence of some word?

[cgrindley]

21. Because it's practically unintelligible?

Look how many responses your question has received... it has been widely ignored because no one can figure out what you're asking.

PS the individual words in your post all made perfect sense on their own... but you seem to have had some difficulty stringing them together in what we call "a sentence".

[Boojatta]

24. Are you sure that no one can figure out what is being asked?

Does stringing words together so that they actually form a sentence have anything to do with parts of speech and grammar?

[cgrindley]

34. Pretty sure, yeah.

Not all the time, no. It is entirely possible to construct a grammatically-correct sentence that makes no sense whatsoever.

EG The green dog flies disk drives.

[renie408]

23. Why not stop with the patronizing pseudo intellectual bullshit and reword

the question?

Why couldn't you just say, "Can a standardized test be written which doesn't have race or gender bias?"

[Boojatta]

26. There are two questions. One is about standardized testing.

The other is about calculating the value of human labor. In the question about standardized testing, there is no mention of gender.

[renie408]

28. So, your questions, in non-pseudo intellectual bullshit, are:

"You think that you CAN make a standardized test which isn't ethnically biased, but you CAN'T ignore somebody's gender when evaluating their work."

And

"You think that you CAN'T make a standardized test which isn't ethnically biased, but you CAN ignore somebody's gender when evaluating their work."

So why don't you ask if there can be both gender neutral work evaluation and ethnically neutral standardized testing? Why does it have to be either/or?

[Boojatta]

30. Are we reading the same poll?

"So why don't you ask if there can be both gender neutral work evaluation and ethnically neutral standardized testing?"

I thought that I have asked something with the same structure as "Are listening to Bush without laughing and listening to Cheney without sneezing possible?"

I thought that I had included as options at least these four:

They are both possible; they're both impossible; and two options of the form: one is possible but the other isn't.

[renie408]

32. Sorry, skipped right over the the first two. n/t

[Boojatta]

35. They said that I should be more cynical...

but they were wrong!!!

:toast:

[Tian Zhuangzhuang]

18. LOL

[renie408]

22. That was as funny as hell. n/t

[Monk06]

11. Other this poll is philosophically retarded. You can't pose an interesting question....

based on a neologism.

[Boojatta]

20. Is neowisdom a good kind of wisdom to love or is there nothing

both wise and new that is under the Sun?

[renie408]

25. Sorry, I didn't realize that English was your second language. n/t

[Boojatta]

27. I speak the English of the future. You can use a word only after

I or someone else has introduced it into the language.

[renie408]

29. I find your juvenile neosophist arguments crapitudaness. (how's that for inventing a word)n/t

[Boojatta]

31. Are you sure that my arguments are not infantile?

Could you link to a particular argument of mine that is juvenile and/or infantile?

[renie408]

33. It is the verbal masturbation that I find juvenile. n/t

[cgrindley]

37. The jerking would be okay if we got a money shot, but sadly

he's shooting blanks.

[Richard Steele]

13. 100% neutrality is a practical impossibility.

However, I see no reason that skilled study and effort
cannot reduce the amount of bias to levels that are
small enough to be irrelevant for practical purposes.

(-IF- everyone in our society was in favor of reducing
such bias, of course. But that's a whole other can of worms.)

[Kelly Rupert]

14. Dupe

[Kelly Rupert]

15. I'm going with "good for a laugh"

n/t as per poll response.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

16. probably not. tests are in some ways reflection of cultures. so no.

[slackmaster]

17. What would be the purpose of an "ethnically neutral" standardized test?

Just to have a test that people of all ethnic groups would perform equally well on? To make it "fair"?

Why? What would such a test measure? For what purpose?

[Boojatta]

38. Kick for comments and for questions about something specific

[Boojatta]

39. Kick for votes, comments, and questions.

[Boojatta]

40. Final kick