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Timex Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 11:54 PM
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Bush tells Ahmadinejad:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/09/21/60minutes/main3286706_page3.shtml

"you've made terrible choices for your people. You've isolated your nation. You've taken a nation of proud and honorable people and made your country the pariah of the world."


Does anyone else feel like he may have been staring at the mirror while speaking those words?
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 11:55 PM
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1. My God! My thoughts exactly as I was reading this! nt
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 12:02 AM
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5. Mine, too.
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 11:55 PM
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2. I heard that in that godawful interview tonight and I expected Ahmadinejad
to point out that Bush is, once again, projecting upon others his very own worst qualities.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 12:00 AM
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3. Signature Bush projection. Or, his writers' projections.
I'm glad someone else noticed this because it's just too disturbing to hand onto alone.
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 12:01 AM
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4. Pelley is one step lower than Shit-for-Brains Boosh ....




.. for being his messenger boy.





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intheozone Donating Member (839 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 12:11 AM
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6. Screams of projection, doesn't it? nt
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rwenos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 12:46 AM
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12. Projection is a Right Wing Vice
I'm continually impressed with the power of projection in right wingnut discourse. THEY want power at all costs, so they say Dem's want power at all costs. THEY want a one-party state, so they say Dem's want a one-party state.

In the words of General Jack D. Ripper, "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it Mandrake?"
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 12:29 AM
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7. The fact that Bush could address those words to someone else and say it with
Edited on Mon Sep-24-07 12:29 AM by hisownpetard
a straight face proves that he is not just stooopid, but certifiably insane.


edit:typo
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Kelly Rupert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 12:29 AM
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8. All very true, for both of them n/t
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 12:30 AM
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9. LOL!
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 12:35 AM
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10. It's called 'projection'
and it is embarrassingly blatant....


WHY Repub's in the Congress don't call him on it (along w/ it's sisters - Denial and Contempt)... I dunno....:crazy: :puke: :puke: :puke:
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 12:40 AM
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11. What I would have said back...
...if I was Ahmadinejad:

"Are you talking to me, or yourself?"
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Timex Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 09:09 AM
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29. I expected him to say that..
But I guess he was trying to avoid nasty remarks?
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 12:46 AM
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13. I've noticed that before about him. Everything he says about others that's
meant to be a criticism of them is applicable to himself.

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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 12:59 AM
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14. Classic projection... the Hallmark of today's GOP.
I'm otherwise speechless.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 01:08 AM
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15. Did Busholini also say that Iran is part of The Axis of Evil?
Did he mention that the Pres. of Iran sponsors "killer that kill"? I could go on about the totally stupid things Busholini has spouted but in mercy I will stop now.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 02:07 AM
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21. Your mercy is appreciated.
I have absorbed a more noxious, erratic, diamond-tipped fingernails-on-blackboard, lemon-coated wheezing, styrofoam-rubbing inharmonious, twisted, moronic cacaphony of phony verbal detritus in these last several years and from merely one man than I could have ever imagined, period.

I'm really too clumsy with English to do justice to the feelings I have about this executive. It would take me a while just to begin... we all have outrage fatigue, I guess.
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 01:16 AM
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16. Textbook case of projection.
'Nuff said.
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 01:39 AM
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17. I immediately thought that Ahmadinejad should have said "Was Mr. Bush speaking of himself?"
That would have been priceless to hear him say that...or something to that effect that the whole world would probably think that George W. Bush was describing himself....
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Control-Z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 01:48 AM
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18. He's a narcissist
'A narcissist is someone who is overtly or subtly arrogant, exhibitionistic, vain, manipulative, and greedy for admiration. Ref Narcissistic rage, character assassination and projection are some of the overt ways in which the narcissist expresses himself.'
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GuvWurld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 01:56 AM
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19. Collection of these "projection" statements
I agree that projection is a fair term to use here. I also refer to such statements as black kettles, statements that would be more true if the speaker were referring to himself. The GuvWurld News Archive has some 5000+ articles in many different categories, of which Black Kettles is one.
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 01:57 AM
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20. He has three fingers pointing at himself,
Edited on Mon Sep-24-07 01:58 AM by ClayZ
while he points at Ahmadinejad.
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piesRsquare Donating Member (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 02:22 AM
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22. Wow, that guy really likes to ramble!
I just read the entire transcript of the interview (at the link in the OP) and boy, does Ahmadinejad carry on!

Interesting guy. As in "case study" interesting.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 02:54 AM
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23. Yep
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Riktor Donating Member (476 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 04:03 AM
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24. Not really
As Ahmadinejad holds little to no executive authority in Iran, the point is moot. The man's a figurehead serving no other purpose than to give the Iranian government the appearance of democracy. In the end, this serves Bush's agenda quite nicely. He's made numerous demands of Ahmadinejad, knowing full well the "president" can't do anything without Ayatollah Khamenei's go-ahead. I'd venture a guess that the bulk of Bush's base isn't privy to such knowledge, so they rally behind a man who they think is standing up to a powerful terrorist, who in reality is a fairly powerless schmuck.
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CGowen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 06:27 AM
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25. Just like Bush is not the real decider and both like the UT Horns
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 11:54 AM
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31. True, but Khatami wasn't a puppet for Khamenei
And even though he was limited in his actual power, he did give us a means to better negotiate with Iran. If only we hadn't been stupid enough to stick them on the Axis of Evil.
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Riktor Donating Member (476 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 12:28 PM
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32. That's Debateable
Khamenei conceded to allow Khatami to put his name on the ballot because he either felt a real danger due to civil unrest or simply because he wanted to to discredit the reformers.

Khatami has a trumped up reputation amongst progressive Americans, when in reality is he didn't accomplish much as President of Iran. He had to fight tooth and nail with the Guardian Council over his reforms, only to wind up losing the sweeping majority of the time. The mullahs further hamstrung Khatami in the 2004 Majlis Elections, when they banned thousands of progressive candidates from taking the ballot. While Khatami was too popular to be excluded from reelection, the Ayatollahs made damn sure he could not accomplish any of his reforms through legal avenues.

So, was he a puppet? I'd have to say no. At the same time, he was practically powerless amidst a hulking conservative behemoth of a government. Sure, we could have talked to Khatami, but Khamenei hated him with such an intense passion it is unlikely those talks would have produced results.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 06:27 AM
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26. i did.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 07:19 AM
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27. is * talking about our nation.
sure sounds like it.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 07:32 AM
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28. it s called PROJECTION
and repuke fundamentalists do it to a mind boggling degree.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 11:50 AM
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30. Bush and Cheney are a menace to planet earth!
Just had to say that. :)
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PDenton Donating Member (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 12:33 PM
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33. "I know you are, but what am I?"
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 01:21 PM
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34. You know, it used to make me crazy trying to translate Bush's speeches
Edited on Mon Sep-24-07 01:23 PM by Hydra
Then I figured out the grand Rosetta Stone:

Anything Bush says is the complete opposite of the truth, but when referring to a person or group, what he accuses them of he is doing himself.

It's so easy now, and the translation is a snap.

"The Democratic congress is impeding the business of Government"

Translation:

"Those stupid people from the other party refuse to cave in and give me what I want, so I'll use my veto to impede the business of government"

and

"Refusing to approve my supplemental funding request for the Iraq War is refusing to support our brave troops!"

Translation:

"I've taken all the support services from the troops and put that money in my pocket, and my friends need more!"

See? Simple, efficient, and his announcements simply tell me what he's doing wrong today.
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