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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 09:40 PM
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Newsweek: "US UNLIKELY TO CONVINCE DOUBTERS WITH (IRAN 'EVIDENCE') SHOWN SUNDAY"
Edited on Mon Feb-12-07 11:23 AM by newyawker99
This morning I posted that Christopher Dickey of Newsweek in Baghdad said the military didn't make a solid case against Iran . . . http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=181113&mesg_id=181113


Newsweek posted their article about the briefing:

Baghdad Briefing

The U.S. military finally held its much-anticipated briefing on Iran’s alleged involvement in Iraq’s violence. Just how strong is Washington’s case?


Web Exclusive
By Babak Dehghanpisheh
Newsweek
Updated: 2 hours, 12 minutes ago

Feb. 11, 2007 - The long-awaited Baghdad briefing had plenty of props. There were two tables stacked with mortars and rocket-propelled grenades, a PowerPoint slide show and, perhaps most importantly, a particularly nasty weapon known as an EFP, or explosively formed penetrator.

A trio of American military officials led the show. Their mission: rolling out the administration’s case that Iran is supporting attacks on U.S. forces in Iraq. Under the rules of this afternoon’s briefing, the three could not identified by name. No TV cameras or tapes were allowed in, and journalists’ cell phones were taken away before they entered the briefing room. But if their job was to provide proof of Tehran’s involvement in Iraq’s bloodshed, they’re unlikely to convince the doubters with what was shown Sunday.

The centerpiece of the administration’s case was an EFP, a device resembling a large tin of powdered milk that is stuffed with explosive filler and capped with a copper liner. When the EFP detonates, a fist-sized piece of molten copper shoots out at high speed into the target. It’s a powerful weapon: a picture of an Iraqi squad car shredded by an EFP shown at today’s briefing illustrated how the copper piece had torn through the entire car and lodged in the trunk. These explosives become even deadlier when paired up with passive infrared triggers, a switch that's also used with lights and harder to detect than some more traditional triggering mechanisms. A senior official said that EFPs have killed 170 Coalition soldiers and wounded approximately 620. "We're acknowledging they have been effective," he said. Their usage, predominantly by Shiite militants, nearly doubled in 2006, according to the military briefers.

The EFP parts, the officials claimed, are shuttled across the border with Iran at night, along with money and other weapons, through centuries-old smuggling trails. Three problematic border points were listed: Mehran, which is due east of Baghdad, the marsh areas around the southern city of Amara and the border crossing near Basra. The Iranian fingerprint, these officials claimed, was in the pieces used to manufacture the EFPs, as well as the usage of the infrared triggers. "Some components are solely found in Iran," the senior defense official said.

According to the briefers, it was the use of EFPs by another Iranian-supported group, Lebanon’s Hizbullah, that led American military officials to suspect a possible Iranian link. Hizbullah has used EFPs against the Israeli Army in southern Lebanon repeatedly in the late '90s. In Iraq, they are used by splinter factions of the Shiite Mahdi Army, or "rogue JAM" in military shorthand, which have allegedly been assembling and planting the explosives. The officials also noted that they had been used by the "Shaybani network," a group run by a former commander of the Badr Brigade called Abu Mustafa Shaybani. The intelligence analyst said that Shaybani no longer had links to the Badr Brigade, a rival Shiite group to Moqtada al-Sadr’s Mahdi Army that has now renamed itself the Badr Organization and has members in the Iraqi Parliament. Shaybani, these officials claimed, is currently in Iran and lives with members of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), specifically the Qods Force.

The officials zeroed in on the Qods Force as the "enabler of violence." " really report directly to the Supreme Leader," the senior defense analyst said at the briefing. This had led the U.S. military to conclude that the campaign was being orchestrated at "the highest levels of Iranian government." Recent U.S. military raids in Baghdad have nabbed top members of the IRGC. Disclosing some of the details of these raids, the briefers said that last Dec. 21, Mohsen Chizari, allegedly the No. 3 man in the IRGC, was pulled out of a compound linked to the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq (SCIRI), the top Shiite party in the government. Chizari was later freed when it was proven that he had a diplomatic passport. The defense analyst told the briefing that there were no dubious ties between the Qods Force and members of the Iraqi government, but the senior defense official seemed to contradict that assertion by noting that soldiers found a long list of weapon inventories at the SCIRI compound--including sniper rifles and mortars, items that he called "offensive-type armament.

. "Everybody was trying to make it more than it was," he said. "The multinational forces are not trying to hype this up more than it is."


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17103722/site/newsweek/



Bush blames Iran for 170 US deaths in Iraq - Americans blame Bush for the 2,953 others
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Monkeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 10:01 PM
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1. Like I said before we have seen this show before
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 10:18 PM
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7. Yep. It's a repeat and I hope Congress knows it.
:(
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 10:05 PM
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2. Here's my question
If the proof is so solid, why release it on the weekend?
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 10:08 PM
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3. I am glad to see it's being met with some skepticism.
This, at least, is a baby step above the media response to Iraq's puffed up baloney.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 10:12 PM
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4. At one time..
... the American government and our State Department and our military leaders had a reasonable amount of credibility in the world.

Now, they are considered as credible as used car salesmen.

Even if they WERE telling the truth, nobody is going to believe them, least of all me.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 10:15 PM
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5. What's the point of this if they are not going to invade/strike Iran?
What's the point of making case? Doesn't anyone have common sense anymore in this world?
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mediaman007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 10:17 PM
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6. The only thing missing was Colin Powell...
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jmatthan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 10:27 PM
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8. and tape recordings of Iranians talking to each other self-incriminatingly!
eom
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 11:54 PM
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13. They were missing those convincing satellite images of the Iranians driving them over the border!
:eyes:

You know, in those mobile "IED" supply labs???
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mediaman007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 12:00 PM
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22. Oops! The Bekah Valley is on the other side of Iraq!
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 10:31 PM
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9. Who writes this drivel? They sound like they're making it up as they go along.
Oh, they are, that's right.

SUCH BULLSHIT!

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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 10:37 PM
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10. well
Edited on Sun Feb-11-07 10:38 PM by bigtree
this particular Newsweek article is merely a description of the 'evidence' produced by the military in a briefing in Baghdad. The report is understandably critical and skeptical.


The essay linked underneath is my own 'drivel' . . .
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 10:43 PM
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11. "It's plausible deniability. They invented it."
Who the hell is he shitting? The Casa Blanca Cabal is the world's center of (barely) plausible deniability. Jesus!
:puke:
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 11:37 PM
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12. kick
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 11:57 PM
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14. FORGET IT. We won't be fooled again --- not that we were fooled the first damn time.
Mark Crispin Miller was right when he said the neocons are suicidal.

We won't do this and if they don't know it, they're crazier than even *I* thought they were.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 01:04 AM
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15. Michael Ware (CNN) was there--
He was on Blitzer today. He was very skeptical--spoke scornfully about how they "rolled out" these experts and put on a dog and pony show. He said that this has been known since 2004-5, so why did they come out with this now.

He also said that the U.S. did the same thing to the Russians when they were in Afghanistan: supplying munitions to fight them by proxy.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 07:04 AM
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18. thanks for the info, ginny
another media rejection of administration bull. A rarity.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 09:40 AM
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21. Ware is amazingly candid.
I get the feeling listening to him that he accepts no bullcrap. I'm going to start watching for him more often. I'll even start tuning in Situation Room again, if I can see him there.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 07:06 AM
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19. skepticism meets cynicism - by product of the bush era.
Might work for a minute with a small portion of the public. Not going to scare the public enough to back them on the path to yet another war.
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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 01:40 AM
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16. .
I can't believe this administration thinks the public will fall for this again.
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Decruiter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 03:30 AM
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17. I don't know why it could possibly fail a 2nd time, the game plan is
being brought to us by "fool me once, shame on, won't get fooled again" Bush.

I truly feel like I'm living in a deja vu world or maybe it is just getting to live through Ground Hog day over and over again.

I know in my heart it can't possibly happen again and yet it is happening in real time, again. We all know what they are doing, we are all in the streets marching still, we are raising our voices louder each day and yet there just appears to be absolutely nothing we can do to stop the madness of this maladministration.

These men are criminals. Why can't they be stopped and why are our elected representatives failing to uphold the oath they all took when they took the office they hold?

I'm really at a loss. This is a Twilight Zone I'd like not to be in.
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 09:28 AM
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20. Remember February 2003? (pics)









Fast forward>>>>today







MKJ
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