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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 08:29 AM
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Adventures in fundie land!
Did you know that the scientific community has acknowledged that the earth stopped turning on its axis during biblical times, on Joshua's "Long day"?

http://www.multimedia-interactive.com/cdb/view_topic.php?id=5871&forum_id=4

"And how do you account for the time God made the sun stand still so the armies of Israel could have light to destroy their enemies, something that has been acknowledged by the scientific community. Did the earth just decide on it's own to stop turning?"


:rofl:
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 08:31 AM
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1. Charlie Daniel's doesn't know how to use apostrophe's
:argh:
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 08:32 AM
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2. From The Straight Dope:Did scientists discover a "missing day" as predicted in the Bible? ...
Dear Cecil:

Please debunk the "missing day" theory described in the enclosed flyer. --Ross Rhone, Chicago


Dear Ross:

Debunk it? Hey, I want to believe in it. I also want to believe that Jimmy Hoffa and Elvis are running a 7-Eleven in Kalamazoo, Michigan. Unfortunately, we're out of luck on all counts.

The best known version of the tale, a classic bit of "xeroxlore" that creationists have been passing around for more than 20 years, is attributed to one Harold Hill, supposedly a consultant to the NASA space program. It seems a bunch of "astronauts and space scientists" at the Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland, were using a computer to calculate the orbits of the sun, moon, and planets so that a satellite sent up today would not crash into something a hundred years from now. This entailed figuring the position of the heavenly bodies many centuries into the past. (Why I don't know; I'm just telling the story.)

After a while the computer halted and "put up a red signal, which meant that there was something wrong either with the information fed into it or with the results as compared to the standards." On investigating, the scientists found there was "a day missing in space in elapsed time." They were puzzled until a "religious fellow on the team" recalled a passage in the Bible (Joshua 10:12-13) where Joshua asked the Lord to make the sun stand still until he could defeat his enemies. The Lord obliged, and the sun stood still "about a whole day."

Damn, the missing day! shouted the scientists. Not quite. After further calculations they concluded that the missing "elapsed time" in Joshua's day was only 23 hours and 20 minutes, not a full day.

Then the religious fellow had another brainstorm. He recalled that in II Kings 20: 9-11 Hezekiah prevailed upon the prophet Isaiah to ask the Lord to make the sun go backward 10 degrees. No problemo, said the Lord.

"Ten degrees is exactly 40 minutes," the tale concludes. "Twenty-three hours and 20 minutes in Joshua, plus 40 minutes in II Kings make the missing 24 hours the space travelers had to log in the logbook as being the missing day in the universe. Isn't that amazing? Our God is rubbing their noses in His Truth!"

Well. The folks from NASA sensibly point out that they have no need to compute orbits thousands of years into the past and future because the typical satellite lasts only a dozen years. Nonetheless there may be a germ of truth to the "missing day" story.

NASA spokesman Charles Redmond points out that in the early 1960s, when scientists were first using computers to figure out orbits for the manned space program, there was a discrepancy of about 20 seconds between Universal Time (basically Greenwich Mean Time) and so-called ephemeris time, i.e., the "real" time based on astronomical observations. A 20 second error when you're trying to bring a manned spacecraft down to earth is enough to put the astronauts in somebody's back yard in Orlando rather in the ocean where they're supposed to be. So the scientists jiggered the numbers to get UT synchronized with real time. (This is handled today by throwing in leap seconds every few years.)

These adjustments may have been the basis of Harold Hill's story. But there wasn't any missing day, and it certainly didn't have anything to do with the Book of Joshua. I should point out that Hill wasn't a NASA consultant; his firm did diesel engine maintenance and such for the space agency.

Creationists have been trying to work the "missing day" angle for a long time. Folklorist Jan Brunvand--Jan and I have gotten to be good buddies over the past few years--says he unearthed a story about an alleged confrontation between an unbelieving scientist and C.A. Totten, an eccentric military instructor at Yale in the 1890s. Totten, who became notorious for his wild theories about science and religion, supposedly made a believer out of an agnostic astronomer by pointing out a "missing day" in the latter's calculations that could only be accounted for by the passages from Joshua and II Kings. It's the kind of story that only a true believer could love, since it makes no sense to anybody else.

--CECIL ADAMS

http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a3_083.html
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 08:36 AM
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3. I went to the fundie site Answers in Genesis....
And even they say the "missing day" theory is an urban myth.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/dont_use.asp
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 08:39 AM
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5. I had heard this theory as well
It's very popular among some.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 08:50 AM
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9. Dissent among the ranks? Impossible, I say.
Since the Bible is the infallible true Word o' God, how could there be any dispute over the Turth?

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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 08:39 AM
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6. Is it just a coincidence that Prof Harold Hill was the con artist in "The Music Man"?
Edited on Tue Aug-21-07 08:40 AM by baldguy
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 08:47 AM
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8. Ohhhhhhhhhh....
We've got trouble!
Right here in Jebus City!
Right here in Jebus City!
With a capital J and that rhymes with HEY..and that stands for keeping those demons at bay!
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Wilber_Stool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 09:04 AM
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12. With a capital T
and that rhymes with P
and that stands for phool.

See, I can do it too.
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 09:00 AM
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11. ...
:spray:
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 08:38 AM
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4. Daylight Savings is a Satanic plot to try and cover-up the fact that the Earth stopped turning.
:sarcasm:
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 08:42 AM
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7. And we wonder why Junior still...
...has a 25 percent approval rating???

There will always be the nimrods.

I'm related to a gaggle of these Fundies. They actually have a book on their
coffee table titled, "The History of the Earth". It's got pictures of
diplodocuses entering a big ark alongside bunnies and panthers. It's also
got pteradactyls flying around the ark. Kind of a "Jurassic Park meets
Farmer Brown's petting zoo".

I guess living creatures were much nicer back then. Or less hungry.

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The Vinyl Ripper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 10:15 AM
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18. Or less horny..
Imagine a couple of Tyrannosaurs in rut on a boat..

"Noah... Noah.. Those damn Tyrannosaurs are at it again, why can't you *do* something."

Talk about "rough sex"..


And then when they are done the male Tyrannosaur is gonna want a pizza.. :9
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 08:51 AM
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10. BWAHAHAHA...
Edited on Tue Aug-21-07 08:54 AM by youthere
"Why do I know the South will rise again?

Because Jesus said, Hes coming back!"


Oh the funnies! The funnies!
Who knew Jesus was a redneck?
:rofl:
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poverlay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 09:16 AM
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13. ROFLMAO, I know, I know... I need a hanky or something over here. nt
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 09:52 AM
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16. Uhhhh.... not all Southerners are rednecks, thank you very much.
Now, as to that fundie's post: it doesn't make sense. Jesus is a Jewish carpenter from the former Palestine. Unless he's planning to come back in Palestine, Texas, I'm doubting he will first appear in the Southern United States.
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 12:47 PM
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19. I didn't say they were...
but a fundie that insists the second coming = the rise of the south (rebel yell and all) = redneck in my book.
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 09:43 AM
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14. "and how about love ..... a divine gift to humans ...."
Just ask Rudi or Newtie.

I always figured joshua moved the battle to the North Pole where he could have 6 months of daylight. Makes as much sense as the world stopping.
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MazeRat7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 09:46 AM
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15. Wow...just wow... I think he should stick to playing the fiddle...
Logic and reasoning are not his strong suit.

MZr7
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 10:14 AM
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17. Didn't Pope Gregory fix all that up with his spiffy new calendar?
You know the one that jumped like 30 days?

-Hoot
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