Bob Murray mine owner-may you never know another moment of peace.

[AlCzervik]

that is all.

[Donnachaidh]

1. Did they find them?

I'm afraid to ask. :scared:

[Sparkly]

2. Seems there was another mine collapse? nt

[Tesha]

109. Three rescuers dead, six injured (Per NPR this morning)

The dig-in teams have been removed from the mine for now.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2150798,00.html

Tesha

[AlCzervik]

4. no and it appears there was another collapse involving the recuse workers.

6 ambulances on the scene.

[Donnachaidh]

8. ahh damn it!

Watch that bastard try to claim it was another *earthquake*. :grr:

[AlCzervik]

13. omg cnn is reporting someone at the mine just said that!

[Donnachaidh]

20. if it wasn't so pathetic I'd giggle

Damn him.

You watch the spin - it will be legendary. Can't they push him into a bottomless pit in there? "Hey Murray -- come over here -- look at this."

[AlCzervik]

26. as i was reading your post cnn was reporting the seimic bullshit--literally.

that was weird.

[SoCalDem]

39. No. it was just another "bump"..

or a seismic "bump"..

sounds so much "friendlier" than catastrophic collapse, due to inadequate safety procedures, now doesn't it?:grr:

but hey.. he's probably "praying for the families":puke:

[malaise]

15. So those 12 miners who refused to

continue the rescue effort were correct.

Oh crap - CNN is now giving us the seismic rubbish.

[AlCzervik]

17. now the guy on cnn the "Seismic bumps" are caused by the collapses and not the

other way around.

[malaise]

19. Has Stickler resigned yet?

Another fugging Brownie.

[AlCzervik]

22. of course not, i'm sure he's trying to figure out a way to bring child labor

back to the mines.

[malaise]

28. The shit is going to hit the fan

Where are the mine workers' unions?

[AlCzervik]

34. that mine is non-union but i think the reps are there anyway.

[aquart]

68. Of course it's non-union.

That was obvious.

[Raksha]

51. Oh crap! That's absolutely terrible... n/t

[PA Democrat]

5. No. It looks like there was another cave-in and rescue workers

have been injured.

[malaise]

7. No he's saying "we are in an emergency situation now'

The fugging pig is getting ready for a Friday news dump.

Hospital helicopters have been sent to the mine. Breaking on CNN.

[KharmaTrain]

16. Now We Know What Those "Sounds Of Life" Were Earlier

This ugly story is about to turn uglier. There could be another 10 miner's blood on Murray's greedy hands now.

I could just hear the bastard saying "don't lose any of that coal...you're throwing away money".

And I heard Cooper still claim it was from "new seismic activity".

Where the hell is the UMW???????

[AlCzervik]

25. the cnn guy is saying the Collapses have caused the "seismic bumps" and not

the other way around.

[malaise]

30. I wish Olbermann was still on air n/t

[malaise]

27. It's going to get ugly

The hacks are out in numbers.

[bridgit]

3. there's been something strange about that guy from thee very beginning...

railing on & on about impacts upon cheap energy, forcing poor people out of their pocket-books, the weirdest shit just rambling. that first press conference was an exercise in clinical psychology...weird

[Sparkly]

9. As I understand it, he was at the secret Cheney "energy" meeting

and lobbied Cheney for lax regulations, allowing this kind of thing to occur.

I can't say I have any documentation for that, so that's just fwiw.

[malaise]

12. KO had a good discussion on Stickler

the recess appointee who has been spewing bullshit with Murray.

[bridgit]

21. oh yes, he was rather pointed & bristly when a reporter brought up...

'retreat mining', got all pissed off & funky but there are indications that in the absence of a safer, former 'long wall' mine that that was what he was doing...which he had been advised not to do in that mine

he would certainly seem the kind of guy that would lobby the devil himself for a tax break, or the scuttling of legislation designed to make mining safer,

heard he was opposed to locater beacons, and other forms of safety upgrades...how the hell can you be opposed to locater beacons :wtf: you'd have to be one self righteous piece of work imo

[AlCzervik]

10. this has been a CBA (cover Bob's ass) operation from the day one.

Bob is concerned about numero uno and i think we know who that is--Bob.

[Sparkly]

11. Oh definitely!! nt

[bridgit]

23. ding!

[malaise]

29. Five injured two in critical condition

according to Dan Abrams. And more ambulances on the way. Fuck Murray and Stickler.

[NJCher]

6. this whole thing goes from bad to worse

I was so disappointed when I learned it was the rescue workers for whom the ambulances were called.

:(



Cher

[liberalmuse]

14. I second that.

Some people see him for what he is and it ain't pretty:

http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/ci_6633359

Public Forum Letter
Article Last Updated: 08/15/2007 07:54:29 PM MDT

In the wake of Crandall Canyon Mine co-owner Robert Murray's media appearances at the mine, I'd like to point out that there is a word for people like him.
People who think that possession of wealth makes what they say true and what they do right. People who believe corporations, if they kill, maim and poison, should do so with impunity because they make a profit. People who would gladly trade a habitable planet for more money. People who panic at the thought that a dollar might be spent for the common good, but don't mind funding perpetual war on credit. People who petulantly spread blame while deflecting any accountability for their own actions.
Yes, there is a word for people like him. They're called Republicans.

Mike Lookinland
Salt Lake City

[malaise]

24. Great letter n/t

[XanaDUer]

107. Is that the actor from Brady Bunch?

I thought he lived in Utah?

[partylessinOhio]

18. This is very sad and those six miners may never be found.

The dangerous situation might require the sealing of the mine.

[blondeatlast]

31. Amen. From the OFFICIAL Mormon newspaper: "Were union miners kicked out of the rescue effort?"

HUNTINGTON, Emery County — Miners who quickly responded to help rescue the six trapped men inside the Crandall Canyon Mine say they were turned away and believe it was because they're members of the coal miners union.
"The union rescue teams were relieved and asked to stay on standby," Dave Maggio, with the United Mine Workers of America District 22 in Price, told the Deseret Morning News on Thursday.

It's an accusation the mine's owner denies, calling them rumors being started by the coal miners union to make him look bad.

"There were seven rescue teams that we sent away," Bob Murray, president of Murray Energy Corp., said in an interview Thursday. "It had nothing to do with them being union mine workers."

More at link.

http://webserver.desnews.com/article/1,5143,695199423,00.html

I don't wish suffering on anyone, but sometimes...

[malaise]

32. This is murder n/t

[blondeatlast]

35. I'm so angry and yet feel so helpless.

I spent growing up years in mining areas of Colorado and Arizona. So many parents of my best friends' parents worked UNION mines and they were good jobs and the mine owners gave a damn.

This man makes my blood boil so much I can't watch him for fear of another TIA or worse.

I try so hard not to wish ill upon anyone, but this guy is Cheney-esque and then some.

[AlCzervik]

41. i empathize. i don't know any miners or much about mining at all besides

what i've read over the years and i don't know if it's just this owner that makes this so much worse or it's the incidents over the past couple of years that have got me so much more pissed and really sad. thats not to say it didn't bother me before but really, this story has me so fucking mad!!

[malaise]

45. The media is just as guilty

If they had been asking hard questions and interviewing mineworkers and experts outside of government and coal interest hacks, Murray and Stickler would have been forced to come clean.

Update: Nine workers injured this time. Expect Murray to blame his god for making this call

[blondeatlast]

49. ONE HUNDRED SEVENTY SIX safety violations JUST SINCE 2005.

Two years and nearly 200 OBVIOUS threats to worker safety. http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,695198537,00.html

I can't hold back anymore. Rot, Mr. Murray. I'll accept my karma for the sentiment.

And as to the media--preach it, brother. May Murray's enablers in the fourth estate never know peace, either. :grr:

[Name removed]

33. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[partylessinOhio]

36. Press release from Stickler read on Fox - nine injured at the rescue site

Doing a headcount to make sure there aren't more injured.

Said caused by a mountain bump.

[SarahB]

38. What the hell is a "mountain bump"? nt

[SoCalDem]

43. nature abhors a vacuum.. Build a sand castle..now tunnel through the bottom

What happens next is a "seismeic bump"..aka MINE COLLAPSE..

[Pale Blue Dot]

55. So "mountain bump" is double-speak for mine collapse.

Essentially they're saying that the mine collapse was caused by a mine collapse.

(That was me above, BTW. Posted under my wife's account.)

[AlCzervik]

44. from what Cnn has been saying the "Bump" is seismic activity caused by collapses.

[partylessinOhio]

48. Mountain bump:

Mountain bump
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

'Mountain bump' or coal mine bump is used within the mining industry to describe a specific type of seismic event occurring in a mine. It is commonly the explosive collapse of a wall or support pillar consisting of the original mine material. <1> These pillars are left in place in what is known as room and pillar mining, where an original narrow passage is dug and then the passage is substantially widened as ore is removed, creating open rooms with support pillars left in place. As the ore is extracted, the pressure on the pillars increases until, in the case of a mountain bump, it becomes too much and the pillar explodes under this extreme pressure. In retreat mining the pillars themselves are removed as the miners retreat towards the mine entrance, hopefully allowing an orderly collapse of the mine. <2>

As of this entry, August 13th 2007, it is believed by many geologists that the current disaster at the Crandall Canyon Mine in Emery County, Utah was caused by retreat mining and a subsequent mountain bump, although the mine's owner stridently denies this and asserts the collapse was caused by an earthquake.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_bump

On Fox reporting:

3 critical condition
1 serious

stated at pc at Castleview Hosp.

4 ambulances coming in
plus the copters

[Stardust]

88. If retreat mining was going on, why would Murray deny it?

[SoCalDem]

37. If only he lived in China..

'nuff said :(

[AlCzervik]

42. sing it! go the way of the disgraced toothpast guy Bob, follow the disgraced toy maker's lead

as Nike says Bob---Just do it.

[Wilber_Stool]

40. Just in

Could be 11 injured. News from the hospital. CNN

[AlCzervik]

46. now hospital spokesman is saying "Could be 11"

[Connie_Corleone]

47. Goodness sakes!

[malaise]

52. Watch Safety undermined with Olbermann

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/

delete link.

[Cameron27]

50. God this is horrible. I just turned it on, and it's breaking my heart

to watch this.

[malaise]

54. Mother of one of the rescue workers is on MSNBC

Her daughter in law has been told nothing by these fuggers.
She says one dead, nine injured. Her son has been in the mine for eleven days

[AlCzervik]

53. OMG mother of one of the injured and or trapped rescue workers has not been

contaced by anyone from the mining company, his wife is going to the hospital to find out if he's there.

[malaise]

56. I can't take this

Bushco and his goons are accountable to no one.

[AlCzervik]

can you imagine those fuckers haven't even called his wife? WTF? and then

the mine company said they have the families "Sequestered" which is BULLSHIT.

[malaise]

59. Sequestered

When I heard that I snapped. Simply put - they're keeping them away from the media. This won't last. The shit is about to hit the fan.

[blondeatlast]

63. Are you saying they are keeping the families away from the media? I can't watch--

maybe its just as well.

:mad:

[malaise]

66. They've done that from day one

but it's now out of their control. Murray and Stickler are about to be torn a new one.

[AlCzervik]

67. that what they're been doing but obviously with the rescue workers they aren't

bothering to even call their families to let them know if they're among the injured. Bob Murray runs things exactly the way Bush has Fema run-- a total and complete clusterfuck.

[Cameron27]

65. I hope so, this can't be swept under the rug anymore.

These poor people have been through so much and it just gets worse and worse.

[partylessinOhio]

57. Mother, Patsie Christie , of rescue worker on phone with Abrams now.

Her son was in the mine tonight. She says there was one fatality in the mine tonight - she didn't give the source for the info. Not sure of whether he son is OK.

[AlCzervik]

58. omg. Did you hear that that didn't call her sons wife either? His wife is one her

way to the hospital to see if he's there.

[malaise]

60. The corporations backed by the government man can prevent you from

finding out about your own husband or child. Is it fascism yet?
Sp.

[partylessinOhio]

62. Yes, very bad and so sad. Earlier a woman was on the phone to one of

these cable channels, she said she saw a woman along the road with a small child. She was upset and very concerned because her husband was in the mine tonight and she didn't know if he was ok. Seems she was on foot trying to get to the mine to check on him.

[jwirr]

61. This whole thing is tragic but what makes it even worse is that

they are down there risking their lives for coal which we should not be burning anyhow. What a mess.

[Melynn]

64. I've worked for guys like this Murray

The sick thing is that they believe their own bullshit.

[AlCzervik]

69. Showing family members showing up at the mine and they are crying and moaning.

[malaise]

70. and speaking Spanish

Only Lou Dobbs is missing now.

[AlCzervik]

71. i'm sure Lou will have them deported.

[malaise]

72. Indeed

I'm recommending this thread

[Jack Rabbit]

73. Some people should just crawl into a hole and disappear

Murray owns a bunch of holes that disappear. He should crawl into one.

[AlCzervik]

75. ribbons of shame and then he should hurl himself out a window.

[AlCzervik]

74. omg now they have some kid that cleans up the parking doing spin control on MSNBC.

[madrchsod]

76. "spin control"?

i certainly did`t get that from this kid.....

[malaise]

77. They are shameless even in the face of tragedy

Notice how Abrams has fallen in step with the seismic bullshit.

[malaise]

78. Did you hear the mayor

One of the big companies - one of the oil companies hosted a cook out for the six families. WTF is going on in Utah?

[bridgit]

79. that's because no one, and i mean NO ONE with any responsibility...

for this mockery will come out front ANYMORE and talk smack about shit they know they're lying through their teeth about

that mine is coming down, Murray is or should be tagged as a form capitalistic greed & malfeasance, bush's recess appointee is standing there looking like fucking Brownie all stupid and half baked, and the nation and the world are watching...no i'm sorry, but it's:

"Baby Don't Touch!! It's Hot! Hot!" time, and they are running away...so they tag the parking lot clean-up kid :thumbsup: it seems to be true: everyone will have 15min of fame

[malaise]

90. Even the governor sent a rather uninformed lady n/t

[bridgit]

95. from here it's flunky after flunky till they tag someone...

[AlCzervik]

96. Hekkuva job Brownie. total cluster fuck, like the subterranean Fema.

[trashcanistanista]

105. I think he knew the mine would come down from the beginning

and didn't want to waste money drilling large enough holes to send in a rescue team. He is drilling the tiny air holes for the cameras to save money and prolong his BS and feed the media which are complicit in this. He has turned the tragedy into making himself seem like a hero. I wonder how long people will buy it.

[bridgit]

106. i think that is completely reasonable to conclude, "We will drill a hole...

...a tiny 2" hole that will be able to refresh the miners with oxygen, food, water, maybe some toothpaste, a Playboy mag or two..." :wtf: forget his ass for a moment, if you will, he has got the pull his head out of MY ASS!! i agree, it's like he's been buying time while saving money

[madrchsod]

80. a rescue worker has died......

[bridgit]

81. time to hold Murray responsible for something...

[AlCzervik]

82. criminally negligent homicide?

[bridgit]

84. it's been known to happen, i can't seem to spit in the street without...

getting strange looks

[madrchsod]

85. sounds like it

should have made bigger pillars in the mine.....

[madrchsod]

83. listening /watching to msnbc?

the guy on now just put the blame on the mine owner and the government....

[bridgit]

86. CNN & yeah, no shit!! time to bust it down Barney Style...

[AlCzervik]

87. no but i'm switching back right now.

[malaise]

89. The mother who was on said that ages ago

Dan is just another hack. He heard her.

[AlCzervik]

91. has anymore about the whole "Retreat" mining process been talked about?

isn't that what caused all of this and how it shouldn't be done and how Murray has continually lied about that?

[malaise]

92. Yeh the MSNBC lady is talking about it right now n/t

[whistle]

93. In China when the toy manufacturer screwed up he hung himself

...perhaps in a fascist state like the U.S. has become favoring business owner rights over worker safety, CEOs need to have a greater sense of responsibility and honor. The way Murry has responded to this event suggests he is hiding something, like he knew the mine was not a safe place, but sent his workers in anyway.

[AlCzervik]

94. yes we were discussing that earlier on this thread somewhere.

maybe Bob should really think about doing that.

[malaise]

97. Michelle Kosinski from MNBCis a hack

Now we have a Penn State professor. Maybe we'll get some truth.

[AlCzervik]

98. ok press conference and the spokesman is giving no info--"It hasn't been determined yet"

what the fuck? the media needs to rip in to these assholes and demand some answers.

[malaise]

99. Murray and Stickler are hiding now though n/t

[AlCzervik]

100. for sure, they're getting their talking points together and rehearsing what lies

and misinformation they'll be spreading later.

[bridgit]

101. they know, they claim to be long term professional miners, they know...

they're just afraid to say anything, that was Murray's impetus from the beginning: to throw the monkey onto something/anything else but his shabby-ass retreat mining operation i.e. "your elect bills are going to go up", "coal is the cheapest source of sustainable energy", "i am the world's greatest mine owner", "i never perform risky operations in my mines", "i've had coal dust on my face"...on & fucking on

i mean that shit went on forEVER, jumping down the throats of any & all reporter that dared to question hm

why do it get the impression he's a real-time shit-head to live & deal with

fuck this!! it is time to re-examine corporate entities and the ways in which they conduct business in america

[AlCzervik]

102. oh yeah he totally looked like Nathan Thurm, you could he knows but was instructed

to keep his mouth shut. the only one giving any updates is this guy from the hospital, 1 dead, 3 life flighted, one released and the others are still being treated. the 3 were life flighted because this hospital "doesn't handle major head trauma".

[madrchsod]

103. shit-- that`s not good

the three guys were buried under the debris..not good at all. i worked in a steel mill where the roofs and walls of reheat furnaces would collapse on guys who were doing repairs...not good at all

[bridgit]

104. it has been mentioned since this disaster, that the monies for upgrades...

have all gone into the machinery, little or cursory funding for the advancements in safety equip

all these guys are dragged kicking & screaming over everything thing from a living wage, tax breaks, special legislation, OSHA-esque "restrictions" on their bottom-line and they scream back

"This is going to cost YOU! There'll be higher costs for EVERYTHING!! Jobs will be lost!! You're all going to be driven into the poor farm!! It's going to cost you and that's a promise!!"

WRONG!

that is a threat, and both it and their business practices must be stopped

too many people think 'assault & battery' is one fluid event; assault comes first, then you get your ass kicked

these craven capitalist dogs are committing assaults upon this nation, and they must be made aware that there is a price for them to pay as well

[Philosoraptor]

108. Hey Bob, shut the fuck up and DIG.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

110. 3 of the rescue workers have died at this point.