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Harper_is_Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-07-07 12:27 AM Original message |
Can someone explain to me the outrage towards Democrats over FISA PLEASE? |
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The Traveler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-07-07 12:34 AM Response to Original message |
1. Because we are coming perilously close |
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Harper_is_Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-07-07 12:38 AM Response to Reply #1 |
5. I appreciate your poetic descriptions, but it is just more rhetoric. |
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The Traveler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-07-07 01:02 AM Response to Reply #5 |
17. Sure |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-07-07 02:04 AM Response to Reply #17 |
40. I'll thank you for that |
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Kagemusha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-07-07 12:37 AM Response to Original message |
2. Because before, Bush's freedom to spy was in gross violation of the law. |
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Harper_is_Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-07-07 12:40 AM Response to Reply #2 |
7. Does this legislation give him permission to do what he was doing before? |
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Kagemusha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-07-07 12:49 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. To answer your first question, pretty much, yes. |
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nebula (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-07-07 12:37 AM Response to Original message |
3. Not just over this issue |
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Harper_is_Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-07-07 12:41 AM Response to Reply #3 |
8. How is this issue conceding to Bush? |
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Kagemusha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-07-07 12:51 AM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Because this bill does way, way, way more than fix the problem even Feingold conceded |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-07-07 12:38 AM Response to Original message |
4. warrants without court orders |
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Harper_is_Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-07-07 12:43 AM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Thankyou for some specifics. Although this legislation is about pre-court surveillance.... |
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Kagemusha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-07-07 12:53 AM Response to Reply #9 |
13. The only restriction I've heard of is that... |
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Harper_is_Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-07-07 12:58 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. isn't that a restriction over the blanket coverage they claimed ealier? |
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Kagemusha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-07-07 01:05 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. ...It's not a restriction worthy of the word. It's meaningless. |
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PSPS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-07-07 01:08 AM Response to Reply #13 |
22. It's far worse than that |
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Harper_is_Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-07-07 06:31 PM Response to Reply #22 |
47. "Every inhabitant of the country will now have a very thick and rich dossier..... |
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nebula (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-07-07 01:06 AM Response to Reply #9 |
20. There's this thing called Google |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-07-07 01:43 AM Response to Reply #20 |
33. Nasty reply. n/t |
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BeHereNow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-07-07 01:45 AM Response to Reply #33 |
34. Actually, I would call it exemplary in its patience. |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-07-07 06:41 PM Response to Reply #20 |
49. Google can explain outrage from Democrats? |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-07-07 01:18 AM Response to Reply #4 |
25. Just how far this measure reaches is unclear to me. |
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Kagemusha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-07-07 01:21 AM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Very good insight. Flips the foreign-> foreign but inside the US logic on its head |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-07-07 07:18 PM Response to Reply #25 |
55. They're spying within the USA too!! City to city, state to state! |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-07-07 12:39 AM Response to Original message |
6. They made what a judge said was illegal...legal...and expanded it. |
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Harper_is_Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-07-07 12:44 AM Response to Reply #6 |
10. all rhetoric, no specifics. n/t |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-07-07 01:05 AM Response to Reply #10 |
18. Then research it yourself. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-07-07 01:07 AM Response to Reply #10 |
21. When someone uses the word "rhetoric" about my post... |
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Harper_is_Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-07-07 06:24 PM Response to Reply #21 |
44. Sorry, but I tell the truth, and that's all it was. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-07-07 06:31 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. No, we are not very smart here. |
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Harper_is_Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-07-07 06:47 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Ok. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-07-07 07:04 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. No, you must give clear simple thoughts, so I can take them in. |
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Harper_is_Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-07-07 07:15 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. i think you got it |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-07-07 07:18 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. No, please explain it more clearly. |
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Harper_is_Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-07-07 07:19 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. google it. |
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nebula (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-07-07 01:10 AM Response to Reply #10 |
23. Do your own homework then |
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Harper_is_Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-07-07 06:25 PM Response to Reply #23 |
45. I have, thanks. |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-07-07 01:52 AM Response to Reply #10 |
37. baited trap syndrome |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-07-07 01:22 AM Response to Reply #6 |
28. This law is not just illegal. If one of the parties to a target communication |
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KT2000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-07-07 12:54 AM Response to Original message |
14. Check this link |
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On the Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-07-07 12:57 AM Response to Original message |
15. I Heard that Part of It |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-07-07 01:15 AM Response to Original message |
24. We Are Beyond Outrage and Have Progressed to Hopelessness and Despair |
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BeHereNow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-07-07 01:19 AM Response to Original message |
26. Go fish. |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-07-07 01:27 AM Response to Original message |
29. The Reason ===> It Legalizes Bush's Illegal Acts and Removes a Significant Reason For Impeachment |
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BeHereNow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-07-07 01:35 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. You are wasting your breath- just so you know. |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-07-07 01:32 AM Response to Original message |
30. At this point I'm not sure if you're being deliberately obtuse or not |
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BeHereNow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-07-07 01:38 AM Response to Reply #30 |
32. See my post above- #31 |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-07-07 01:48 AM Response to Original message |
35. A good number are always looking for an excuse to be outraged at Dems. |
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BeHereNow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-07-07 01:50 AM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Oh what a bother, eh? |
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U4ikLefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-07-07 02:01 AM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Yeah, I think I have heard it all now |
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BeHereNow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-07-07 02:03 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Hate to tell you, but it's not a dream. |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-07-07 02:11 AM Response to Reply #35 |
41. come on |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-07-07 02:41 AM Response to Original message |
42. Because normally when someone BREAKS A LAW, the first reaction isn't "How can we make this law less |
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Heidi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-07-07 04:01 AM Response to Original message |
43. Is your Google broken? Here, you can borrow mine. |
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nini (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-07-07 06:29 PM Response to Original message |
46. "intelligent examination" - a thing of the past |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-07-07 06:44 PM Response to Original message |
50. HERE. About 100 links for starters. |
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Prisoner_Number_Six (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-07-07 07:21 PM Response to Original message |
57. One traditionally gets a little miffed at blatant treason. |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-07-07 07:22 PM Response to Original message |
58. I haven't met anyone abandoning the Democratic Party over FISA |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-07-07 08:22 PM Response to Original message |
59. A) Because it violates the Fourth Amendment |
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burrowowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-07-07 08:27 PM Response to Original message |
60. And do you think Congress will |
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