Contempt Charges - "It it is going to accomplish nothing, lets just have the balls to say so."

[xultar]

If it isn't going to do anything then what needs to be done?

Can I get someone to answer my question?

[Captain Hilts]

1. Why does someone need "balls?" DiFi did great yesterday without them. nt

[Norquist Nemesis]

2. It will call Bush's bluff ordering USAs not to bring forth any

contempt charges to the courts. Next step is Inherent Contempt (or Impeachment?)

[jojo54]

3. But can that be proven?

It just seems that * and his cabal have their asses covered at every corner and the Dems get shot down when they try to turn those corners.

[AndyTiedye]

4. Bush** Isn't Bluffing

He knows the courts will side with him.

He will most likely defy inherent contempt as well, to force that into the courts.

[Norquist Nemesis]

14. Not sure how he could defy Inherent Contempt

He might have Meiers put into protective custody or something like that, I suppose, but any of those actions would be blatant obstruction of justice...wouldn't they? :shrug:

And, no, I don't think he's 'bluffing' either...but there are many who do think so. Part of the "that's never gonna happen/couldn't happen here" crowd.

[AndyTiedye]

21. Of Course He Can

And of course it would be blatant obstruction of justice. So what?

These people never bluff. They don't have to. They hold all the cards.

[Bluerthanblue]

5. everything accomplishes SOMETHING- it may not be

the result you desire, it may be better than you could have imagined.

Inaction is the worst form of cowardice.

Hate to play platitudes but :

Nothing ventured nothing gained- the only time you are sure to 'fail' is when you refuse to try.

[Exultant Democracy]

6. Who doesn't think this is a good step and why?

I'm in total agreement with you so I am kind off confused. I would understand a republican not thinking this was a good thing.

[Bluerthanblue]

12. well, now

i'm the one who is confused...??

I took the OP as asking "what is the point"...

I hope this isn't another "Duh!" moment for me....:shrug:

:blush:

[xultar]

18. I had an activist tell me today that they didn't like the step Conyers took because

they thought it would do nothing.

I just wanted to know if the step wasn't great then what should he be doing. I thought I'd get the group in on a lively discussion and come up with a better game plan.

[Bluerthanblue]

19. ok, got ya- my

answer would still hold.

i tend to be a 'defeatest/pessimist' on the surface, so i can understand the concept of 'ah..forget it, it isn't going to work'- i think many people who come off as nay-sayers are actually deep-seated 'optimists'- who are very afraid of yet another disapointment. (me)


peace, and thanks for the explanation:hi:

blu

[EST]

7. The house just this minute passed out of committee and to the

floor the contempt legislation to go after Miers, Bolten, and apparently some others-not conclusive on that.
They had it on cspan 3 and they made honest citizens feel proud, today. Very spirited and the dems did not back down. The train is rolling.

[Gman]

8. Xultar, I think several things will be accomplished

1) Congress' right to oversight is being reestablished

2) This is another step in building the case of the USA firings as political and therefore illegal and

3) the conspiracy to cover up #2

In contempt proceedings, the defendent "holds the key to the jail" in that as soon as they cooperate, they get theirself released from jail. As soon as they cooperate, the "underlying crime" and the conspiracy to coverup come to light and maybe the closer we are to impeachment.

The parallel investigation to this is the conspiracy to cover up the "underlying crimes" associated with the hospital visit by Gonzo and Andy Card to Ashcroft's hospital bed. In this case, Gonzo flat refused to say the president sent him and Card to the hospital as an end run around Comey who was acting AG and refused to authorize the wire-tap program which was implemented anyway without the required DOJ approval. Again, more building the case for impeachment.

Regarding inherent versus criminal contempt, see this thread I posted earlier:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1431321

It's in GD and sunk pretty fast, but I think it's good information about the two routes for contempt proceedings.

[H2O Man]

9. Right.

It opens doors that the administration wants to slam shut. It allows for the potential for much more.

It's a good thing, I believe.

[xultar]

13. I didn't say what was in the quotes. Someone else did. I just want to know

what the complainers want done if they don't like what Conyers is doing.

[Bluerthanblue]

20. is it possible they are asking

for help ...hoping?

Maybe they want to share the optimism and need help confronting their fear of dissapointment?

Maybe they are just truely negative- (in that case probably nothing will appease).

Maybe they are doing what you are doing here- trying to make people think?? brainstorm?


:shrug:

[radfringe]

10. contempt charge has to go to the house for vote

preliminary reports indicating that a vote on it in the house won't happen until after AUGUST recess

let's assume the following:

1. they actually bring it to the house after August recess and haven't weenied out by then

2. it makes it to the voting process

3. it passess and contempt charges are served

what are the dems prepared to do when the bushies piss on it?

are they prepared to take the next step?

[jedicord]

11. At least these charges are showing the general public

some of what this crooked admin is up to. If anything at all, that's a good thing. Down here in Texas, there are way too many uninformed voters with their head in the sand. This kind of stuff is opening their eyes, and more and more people I know are beginning to hate the shrub.

[BlooInBloo]

15. Because it strengthens their case to the court when the inherent contempt execution takes place?

[mmonk]

16. Add "inherent" which I hope they will.

[libnnc]

17. Nothing.