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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 11:33 AM
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Let's talk about sex...
Edited on Tue Feb-06-07 11:33 AM by whereismyparty
Okay, apparently UC San Francisco did a study on teen sex. Actually, I agree with their findings. The title of the article is rather puritanical though:

"Sex of any kind can harm teens emotionally"

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070205/hl_nm/sex_teens_dc

Hmm, I was a teen once; and over the years, I've been able to ascertain that my teen sex life was pretty average. In fact, I would call it an era of experimentation more than anything else. Bumbling, fumbling, insecure experimentation. (Love came later, that's when sex got really interesting -- fraught with it's own learning process, but still, undoubtably better). So forgive me if I evaluate this study based on my own experience. But, like I said, I think my experience was pretty average. Did it harm me emotionally??? I would say it was a learning process.

The article states:

"Researchers at the University of California San Francisco found that up to one-half of the sexually active teenagers in their study said they'd ever felt "used," guilty or regretful after having sex.

Though such feelings were less common among teens who'd only had oral sex, about one-third reported some type of negative consequence..."

Ooo-kay, sounds about right. I mean, we're talking about sex here...young people "learning" about sex. Although, personally, I think many ADULTS can have those same feelings after sex.

Secondly, maybe it's just me, but I think part of the learning process is understanding the emotional side of sex. Feelings akin to love or intimacy can come into play, sometimes surprisingly so, and that may be confusing to a teen just sowing his/her oats. There's also the "yuck-facter"-- that is, messing around and then feeling kind of grossed out, either by your partner or the act itself because it didn't meet the great expectations. Also part of the learning process.

I guess I'm thinkin' this just sounds like what a person goes through to gain experience, and with those experiences you learn about what you want and what you don't want, when to say yes and when to say no.

The article continues:

"...The study, according to the researchers, suggests that parents should be sure to talk with their kids about the potential negative effects of having oral sex, not only intercourse.

"When parents and teens talk about the consequences of having 'sex,' they may not take the time to define what sex is," Brady and Halpern-Felsher noted in comments to Reuters Health.

"It is important for parents to help teens understand that having oral sex may result in social, emotional and physical health consequences -- just as having vaginal sex may result in these consequences..."

Yeah, okay...

"...Though the study could not look at the reasons for this difference, other studies have noted that there's pressure on girls to at once be sexually attractive yet resist having sex.

"In contrast, boys' sexuality and sexual behavior is generally accepted," Brady and Halpern-Felsher pointed out. "Parents can play an important role in helping to eliminate this double standard by encouraging respect for women and discouraging the use of derogatory sexual terms...

This suggests that when parents talk with their kids about sex, it might be a good idea to acknowledge the potential positive outcomes, like emotional intimacy, Brady and Halpern-Felsher note in their report. Parents could then talk about other ways to find those same feelings."

EXCELLENT IDEA!!! Keep that communication going with your kids!!! I think that is really so imperative. Communication, health care, respect, all of these elements are so important.

I guess it's the title of the article that I despise: "Sex of any kind can harm teens emotionally" It sounds like abstinence. And I believe to preach abstinence alone is akin to ignorance.

My kids aren't teens yet, so I guess I'm theorizing about how I'd like it to go down.

I will say, I saw a situation I would like to emulate with my kids: I lived with a german family in Germany for a while when I was in my early 20's. They were very open with their teenage daughter. She had a boyfriend, and the parents spoke openly with her about sex and love. They encouraged her to wait until she was emotionally ready to have sex with her boyfriend. Then, when the girl and her boyfriend felt ready for sex, the mother took the girl to a gynecologist for advise on protection and safety. When they started sleeping together, the teens' parents were in constant communication as to which house the kids would sleep over at, and how late they were allowed to stay up or out with friends and such. It was handled so beautifully. I was in awe of the whole thing. Eventually, the teen love thing ran it's course and the parents were able to also deal with the emotions surrounding the break-up. It was a great experience for me to see that. I hope I can be there in the same way for my kids.


But on the other hand, I also think we can't prevent our kids from doing that which is natural. We cannot stop them from feelings of hurt and pain and embarrassment. We can try to protect them, but our protection can only goe so far. I guess, learning is sometimes tough, and that includes sex.






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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 11:36 AM
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1. "Can" harm them - takes into account that each individual is
different. There are many different personalities and no need for a uniform experience for everyone. As a teen I would have been very harmed by it but that doesn't mean I think every single other teen had to avoid sex during their teenaged years.

Some teens are ready to work, IMO, and really shouldn't go to college or even high school. They are rare, but they exist. The problem with America since the 50s is an expectation of uniformity for all humans. Within reason, there should be a driving age and a drinking age (even though some might be ready to drive or drink earlier or shouldn't until later) but things like this, to each his own.
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Annces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 11:50 AM
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2. I think you are right in all the points you make
However I think most parents are not comfortable talking about sex in any way with their children, and many have confusing standards themselves about sex. I agree that women are primarily taught to be attractive, but nothing beyond that. Of course there is the double standard about men being womanizers, but where is the corresponding term for women other than "whores". I think Europe does better on this whole subject than we do.
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 11:56 AM
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3. They really do.
Certainly, they have their sex issues, but on the whole, most European countries are much more progressive than we are.

I agree that most parents are not comfortable about it. That's a big part of the teen's problems I think.

The double standards between men and women are INFURIATING. Absolutely infuriating.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 12:03 PM
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4. Some reputable research group needs to do a study
on what sexual repression does to kids. I remember that as being the worst thing to overcome. When I was 15, my best friend was screwing anything in pants, but I just couldn't. I'd discarded god but not the Catholic guilt.

If I'd been allowed full access to birth control and been free of all that horrible guilt and allowed to experiment, my life might have been quite different.

Hippies were right. Kids need to be allowed to let it all hang out. They own their own bodies, too, and need to be left alone with other kids to figure out who they are.

Why the hell can't one of these jerks suggest that kids talk to their parents (or other adults) about the positive effects of various types of sexual activity?

This culture is unhealthy. It's insane.
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 12:15 PM
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6. Now THAT"S a study I'd like to see.
I agree that sexual repression can be quite harmful. I knew a man once who was 28 before he lost his virginity because of his struggles with sexual repression. He was a wonderful (and gorgeous!) human being. Just really scared. I thought it was the Christian thing to do to help him out! :D
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mongo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 12:26 PM
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7. Warpy, that was a most excellent post!
And yeah, if we had better sex ed, better communication between parents and kids, etc., etc. -- then I think that there wouldn't be so many bad teen sexual experiences.

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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 12:38 PM
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10. you are SO right. You should see how healthy the kids in the Netherlands are!
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moonladyoregon Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 12:40 PM
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11. Isn't that part of LIFE???
I massively agree with the opinion that repression is harmful. My ultra-strict Catholic parents were terrified that I would "have to get married" so kept me in the dark to the point that I was 17 before I figured out HOW pregnancy occurred -- despite being the oldest of six, meaning I had a constantly-pregnant mother around. I was almost 27 when I finally gave in and lost my virginity. NONE of my sexual relationships have been what you might call "healthy" due to all the emotional expectations Society gave me.

I gave my kids a copy of "The Joy of Sex" when they turned 13. I hope I did SOMETHING to break this cycle.

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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 04:31 PM
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19. Hi moonladyoregon!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 04:42 PM
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20. Yes! Welcome to DU!
:hi:
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 01:23 PM
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18. There is also the issue of speaking honestly and openly
Edited on Tue Feb-06-07 01:24 PM by whereismyparty
with teens about sexual orientation. Parents need to help guide their children through that as well. First, it is important to assure a teen that their is nothing "abnormal" going on should one feel sexual arousals for the same sex. Secondly, it helps teach tolerance, something our society definitely needs more of.
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 12:06 PM
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5. Bad sex can harm anyone, at least somewhat
And it's pretty hard for a teen to get anything BUT bad sex...

I dunno, I think some emotional scarring is an inevitable part of growing up. I'm going to be more worried about my kid getting a life-long disease.
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 12:36 PM
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8. Exactly.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 12:51 PM
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13. Or getting pregnant. Even with birth control, accidents happen. nt
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Rob H. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 12:38 PM
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9. "sex of any kind" including masturbation?
The article doesn't say whether that counts, but it would fall into that very broad category. I remember a quote from Joycelyn Elders that I like because it's funny and true: "The great thing about masturbation is, you're having sex with someone you love."
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Tyrone Slothrop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 12:56 PM
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14. That joke/quote is actually a Woody Allen joke
It's in Annie Hall, I believe.
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 12:48 PM
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12. what kind of 'study' was this?
all it does is preach morality. thats not a 'study', thats a judgement.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 01:03 PM
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15. I benefited emotionally from sex as a teenager
I have nothing but wonderful memories from my discovery of sexuality. When it all began at age 16 we were both virgins and we both fumbled and it was physically not great at all but I waited until I was ready. I had sex because I wanted to and it was with someone that I loved and I felt safe with. It really set the tone for my sexuality and it taught me why choosing the "nice guy" over the popular asshole/bad boy was indeed smart. I watched a few friends use sex as a means for attention/affection and they were always the ones who got emotionally hurt.

Why did I have such an easy time with it? Because my parents were open and honest with me about sex. I was never told that sex was evil or that having sex would make me a filthy whore. I was taught from both my parents that I was worthy of respect and that sex was beautiful and if anyone ever hurt me or made me do anything I didn't want to do, my father would hunt him down and hurt him.
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 01:09 PM
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16. It's wonderful to hear someone say that.
Just goes to show how big a role parental communication can play in their child's sex life. Sunds like your parents did it right.
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Annces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 01:11 PM
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17. That is nice
They taught you to explore and they were protective. Great.
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