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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 10:55 AM
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Say Gore jumps in come October, then wins our nomination.
Choose his running mate.

You only get one choice.

Give us just the person's name.

Go.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 10:57 AM
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1. No.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 10:58 AM
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2. it could be any number of fine Democrats
too many to list imo
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 10:59 AM
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3. I would let him choose his running mate.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 12:58 PM
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71. I'm not sure you should. Last time he created a Lieber-Monster
;)
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 10:59 AM
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4. Bill Richardson or Wes Clark.
Someone who has a clue about international relations.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 10:59 AM
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5. Bill Bradley.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:31 AM
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23. I worked so hard for Bill when he ran for the nom.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:35 AM
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24. Me, too, burythehatchet. I was a Bradley delegate. I think it would be
a great ticket for 2008.

And both men would crush the Rethugs in all debates, too.
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INdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 12:41 PM
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66. Hurray.............Someone finally mentioned a name that would be an
excellent candidate and would turn the primary campaign upside down..And in my way of thinking he would actually be a better candidate than Al Gore............Bill Bradley.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 12:44 PM
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67. Yep. Bradley's got the mustard and the maps both.
I love the guy.
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INdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 01:02 PM
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75. Well raising millions in campaign funds doesn't mean they are
qualified or what the Democratic voters really want. I must say in my forty years as an eligible voter I am not at all satisfied with the field of candidates we have to choose from for the Democratic Presidential nominee. So I hoping by this fall we will have more choices.
Bill Bradly
John Kerry
Al Gore
Just to name a few........
Guess what I really mean is, we have better candidates that are not in the race than those that are.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 01:10 PM
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79. I'd add Mario Cuomo to that list as well. But I'll work with what
I'm handed.

The Republicans got themselves into this situation. Public support for Bush is at an all-time low, and properly so.

He deserves everything he's getting from a very disgruntled public.

And his generals know he's wrong.

And even long-zombified Republican senators are beginning to defect. (Lugar, Warner, Domenici, etc.)

We really will feel better if we can elect a Democrat, and especially regarding judicial appointments.

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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:33 PM
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98. I met Bradley when he was running. He is brilliant.
My dad told me about him being in the NBA Hall of Fame as well, Rhodes Scholar too I believe.
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Nickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:02 AM
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6. I would say Wes Clark. I was shocked that Kerry didn't pick him in 2004, I think that would have
made the difference. Plus that would give him time to flex his foreign policy muscles without being tied down with the office of President responsibilities. He could gain experience that would allow him to take over after 8 years as VP.
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:18 AM
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17. No, It Would Not Have
Picking Clark would not have helped Kerry win the election. But, that's a discussion for a different thread.
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Nickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:43 AM
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31. Well, that's your opinion. I have mine. thanks for sharing.
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wildhorses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:57 AM
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40. i wish you would start that thread and expound on your theory
since you brought it up...only seems fair to me:shrug:

:patriot:
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 01:07 PM
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78. Actually, Nikster Brought It Up
and there have been other threads about what would have made a difference in the 2004 election - and it has been mentioned that Wes Clark as a running mate would have made the difference.

In my opinion, there is only so much a running mate can do for a ticket. The candidate at the top of the ticket is primarily responsible for directing the campaign strategy. While the running mate can fill some gaps in the Presidential candidate's "resume" it is ultimately the Presidential candidate to win or lose on his (or her) own.
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wildhorses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 01:44 PM
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82. and i quote from your own post:
'But, that's a discussion for a different thread.'

so actually i think, NO!!! YOU brought it up.

but never mind...your little bitty extrapolation is NOT thread worthy.

you are however entitled to your opinion.

carry on:patriot:

see you in the funny papers;)
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:34 PM
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99. Clark took Oklahoma in the primary because of his military background.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 01:13 PM
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81. He would have gotten Arkansas.
Edwards just isn't a Southern man's Southern man - Wes Clark is.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 07:58 AM
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105. I can't see one of the comments replying to you
it must be that same Clark supporter that as a Coulter-obsession with running Edwards down.

But, yeah, I think Clark might have put them over in maybe 1 state, but that one state woulda done it for them, that's if they didn't have it rigged, as many of us think.
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:20 PM
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96. I disagree because of the diebold factor.
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CitizenLeft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:04 AM
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7. Obama.
...or any of the other current candidates (except maybe Gravel), though Gore would be limited on who would accept. I think only a handful would accept, and I think Obama is one of them. Clinton and Edwards would not (I don't think). But like others have said, that doesn't rule out a non-candidate. Obama is my choice.
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Danieljay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:06 AM
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8. Edwards or Obama. Anyone but Hillary.. but oh wait, let me ask it first......
Why do I hate Hillary? Curse me and my children.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:07 AM
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9. Brian Schweitzer.
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:54 AM
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39. Yes,yes,yes!!!!!!!!!!!!! But his name recognition? But I'd love to see
someone come out of the blue, Schweitzer, and dazzle the country into a fervor to be long remembered. Gore/Schweitzer would be wonderful!
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:58 AM
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41. Yep. And it would give us a little east of the Mississippi/west of the
Mississippi zing to the ticket. The convention is in Denver. It would be fun to have Schweitzer walk onto that stage to thunderous regional adulation.

Trouble is, those of us east of the Mississippi love him just as much as those folks west of the Mississippi, so they'll by god have to SHARE 'im.

That's all there is to it.

And his dog is the best there is.
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 01:00 PM
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73. I like Schweitzer because he's a person's person! I wonder how
Montana would re-act? I wouldn't want to lose him to the presidency if I were a MT citizen.

Tell you a little story. The first time I became aware of him was by watching a tv program on Gov. Schweitzer's advocacy of the coal industry in the state. He explained how the environmentally friendly extraction process works as well as the stewardship given the land afterwards. He did this is a manner of a leader/teacher and not in an authoritarian manner as the "decider" would have done. After watching the program I "Googled" his name to learn more about him. He strikes me as an honest pragmatist who can tackle problems and get them solved with a straight forwardness not evident in politicians today.

I know of no closet problems for him...refreshing. And, his dog , in the tv program, was the best, I'll agree! I think his dog really likes him and that is very telling about a person's nature.

Can you tell I am an admirer of Governor Schweitzer?!!
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 01:02 PM
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76. Yes, I can tell you have respect for the guy and I don't blame you
one bit.

He's really something.

If Montanans lost him to the Executive Branch, they'd still have him, only in a much larger dimension.

I think his future with the Democratic Party is extremely bright.
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wildhorses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:07 AM
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10. clark
:patriot:
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:09 AM
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11. Kooch.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:10 AM
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13. James Taylor's long-time lead guitarist? Danny Kortchmar, called "Kootch"?
Interesting choice.

The man sure knows how to play a guitar.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:26 AM
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21. Actually, I was thinking more along the lines of Dennis Kucinich but
Edited on Sun Jul-15-07 11:27 AM by Texas Explorer
I could see Al Gore's administration making sweet music, metaphorically speaking of course.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:28 AM
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22. Ah. The good Congressman from Ohio. Got it.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:10 AM
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12. I'd be happy with any of the following:
Barbara Boxer
Barbara Lee
Lynn Woolsey
Maxine Waters
Russ Feingold
Dennis Kucinich
John Conyers

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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:13 AM
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14. Al Gore's clone!
And a cabinet of Al Gores.

Al's got the cells, we have the technology--what are we waiting for?
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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:16 AM
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15. Howard Dean.
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:17 AM
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16. Kathleen Sebelius
governor of Kansas.

Please, no Democratic senators from states with Republican governors.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:18 AM
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18. Lieberman.
Hey. They won once. :)

Kidding, of course about the pick.

I'd say Clark.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:20 AM
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19. I read your "Lieberman" response and almost keeled over on the floor.
Whew.

That was a close one.
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Joe Fields Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:23 AM
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20. Wesley Clark.

I think it would be the perfect ticket.
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:37 AM
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25. Dennis Kucinich
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:40 AM
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26. Richardson first, Clark second
I think Clark would do better as Secretary of State or possibly National Security Advisor.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:40 AM
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27. Clark
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vote 4 democracy Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:41 AM
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28. Russ Feingold, Kucinich or Clark n/t
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:42 AM
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29. Bill Moyers.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:43 AM
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30. Maxine Waters. A woman. A minority. A big city liberal to balance the ticket.
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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:43 AM
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32. Gore/Clark 08 is unbeatable
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:46 AM
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35. Not only that, but it might help restore some hope to this sorry nation.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:44 AM
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33. Russ Feingold
Russ has earned it, if he wants it and it would be a great 16 year ticket. It would be great for America too. It will take every bit of that 16 years to right the wrongs the GOP has caused, since the start of Clinton's second term. Russ is the Yankee that Gore needs to win big. Look at the man's voting record and tell me, who in the democratic party, has a better record in congress than Russ Feingold.
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:45 AM
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34. Santa Claus?
because the candidate doing the best Santa Claus impression usually wins the election so why not just get the real thing? Also, I think Santa's odds of running are only slightly less than Al Gore.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:52 AM
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37. Well, with Santa, Gore wouldn't have to rent a campaign bus.
They could just use the sleigh.

And speaking of Santa, I got in trouble in 1st grade drawing pictures of Santa Claus. We were handed mimeographed pages of an outline of Santa and were asked to wait for instructions on which crayons to use for which parts of the outline.

I didn't care to wait on instructions. I was 6 years old, dammit, and I already KNEW what crayons I wanted to use.

Pink and brown.

My teacher threw a shitfit.

This was a traumatic obstacle to artistic expression, let me tell you.

So for this reason, I'm not supporting Al Gore if he picks Santa Claus as his running mate.
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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:48 AM
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36. Gore/Obama
Edited on Sun Jul-15-07 11:49 AM by peace frog
Can you spell "Victory"? I knew that you could.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:52 AM
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38. General Wesley Clark
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 12:03 PM
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42. Gary Hart.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 12:15 PM
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50. good idea, but
I might want him as National Security Advisor/Intelligence Czar
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 12:23 PM
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56. Sure. I'd take him there as well. Just so he's asked to serve in some
capacity.

He's very bright and strong in the big picture stuff. He's got that huge global mind with the warm local heart.

Damn I wish he had defeated Mondale for that earlier nomination!

Were our nominee to choose Hart as a running mate, we'd not only get the foreign policy chops but also it would be very cool for Gary Hart to walk onto that Denver nominating stage.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 12:05 PM
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43. Bobby
...Robert Kennedy Jr. :)

Give this country proper stewardship and a reason to hope again.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 12:05 PM
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44. I'd be delighted to have Mr. Kennedy Jr. represent me in any endeavor.
Talk about a class act.
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ldf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 02:08 PM
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84. yes, rfk, jr.
even though i really like dean and/or clark, just THINK what rfk, jr would do to the rightwing.

al would be in for eight years, with rfk, jr showing exactly what he is made of, as vp, so his easy slide in to replace al would be perfect.

then ANOTHER KENNEDY would be in the whitehouse.

their heads would EXPLODE!!! SERIESLY!!11!!

and the kennedy family would retake the title of american royalty once again!! we would once again have an american first royal family, rather than an american first rich trailer trash family. (i can say that because i have lived in many "mobile homes". :-) )

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kerstin Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 02:19 PM
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86. Gore and Kennedy. I'm in. n/t
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 12:09 PM
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45. Clark or Obama either one would add to the ticket
Obama as an exciting first and charasmatic counterpart. Clark with his extensive military and national security background plus he's from the South.
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davidwparker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 12:13 PM
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46. Clark or Edwards or an out-of-the-blue Boxer
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 12:15 PM
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49. All good folks for a lot of good reasons, and you're right on
Barbara Boxer. She's out of the blue -- out of the deep blue. Have loved her a long time.
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 12:14 PM
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47. IF we are going to Fantasyland (and how I wish!)
My bet is either Wes Clark or Kathleen Sibelius, and most likely Wes Clark.

And neither one, I'll bet, would be Gore's REAL first choice: that, IMHO, would
be Howard Dean, who will be so vital in his role as DNC Chairman that Gore would
reluctantly leave him there, as no one near as good is out there to take the reins
right now, and we have NEVER needed anyone like Howard there as desperately as we do now.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 12:19 PM
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53. I think your first two are very strong and Howard Dean stronger yet.
Agree also with your analysis on Dean and his essential importance to the party in his current post.

But what a match that would be.

We are in Fantasyland since Gore hasn't even announced. But if he should, I'm not sure he'd hold back in choosing Howard Dean. This would be his final shot at the presidency, and I doubt if he'd pick a grizzled old hack like Joe Lieberman this time. This time I bet we'd get the real thing.
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 12:31 PM
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Deleted for duplication n/t
Edited on Sun Jul-15-07 12:37 PM by DFW
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 12:39 PM
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65. Wes Clark may not be the youngest guy around
But he is in incredible physical and mental health.
This guy is no Bentsen or McCain, and certainly no
Reagan. He is at the top of his game, and could
certainly handle the job, and could run rings around
ANY right-winger put up against him in a VP debate or
a talk show.
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 12:31 PM
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60. Still in Fantasyland mode here
I don't doubt that Gore would LIKE to have Howard as his VP, I just don't know
if we could afford to lose Howard as DNC chairman. No one gave him a chance in hell
of turning around both House AND Senate in 2006, certainly not when he was elected
Chairman. But he hit the ground running and left the GOP (and quite a few Democrats)
at the starting line scratching their heads asking what happened? Rahm Emmanuel may have
lost his shouting match with Howard about how to conduct the 2006 campaign, but he sure
is profiting from Howard's strategy. I don't think the shouting will quite reach that pitch
next year (and if it does, Howard will win again).

Howard will tell you flat out that in 2004, he and his team "didn't know what the hell we
were doing." Now he does. The party as a whole needs his hand-on experience, or a concerted
effort by the Republicans, despite their current stay in the doghouse, might turn the Senate
back when we aren't looking, and possibly the White House as well. Howard hasn't made a lot of
noise about this of late, but the DNC leadership is VERY involved in fighting election fraud,
and is meeting (surprise!!) fierce resistance from Republican entrenchment. I wouldn't want
someone less dedicated to this cause at the head of the DNC during this most vital of elections.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 12:49 PM
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69. I hear you on Dean's role. I think he is to be excused for any
oversights others perceive him to have made, but I think he did beautifully in 2004 and agree with you that he's likely to do even better in 2008.

I love Governor Dean and want him around in the most influential role he can play for years and years to come.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 12:15 PM
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48. There are a ton of good choices and I can't choose just one at this time
Wes Clark
Bill Richardson - though, I might like him as Sec. of State
Barack Obama
John Edwards
Schweitzer from Montana is good, as somebody up-thread mentioned.
maybe Napolitano or Sebelius?
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 12:16 PM
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51. Strong list.
Thanks, NewJeffCt.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 12:17 PM
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52. Gore/Kucinich
...watch the Repug heads explode...their worst nightmare

:7
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 12:20 PM
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54. Ideologically, I think that would be a powerful ticket. It would
do just as you say it would -- make the Republicans' heads explode.

But, hey. We'll just order some Mr. Clean and some brooms, and off we go.

Thanks for the post, marions ghost.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 12:54 PM
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70. ha ha yeah
the cleaning crew comes in...by then it'll be such a shambles it's gonna take a village or a democracy or something radical like that to fix it.

I'm ready to go to DC with a truckload of Mr Clean and brooms....deliver them all around the place with a red white & blue bow... "US Citizens for a Cleaner Washington..."

How hard would we work for Gore/Kucinich? Yes that would be a powerful ticket. They both have a lot of that dynamic energy & bravery you need to turn the Titanic around.

If things get any worse...you know I CAN imagine it...almost...here comes the tornado...are we still in Kansas?
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 01:07 PM
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77. Yes! We're going to make it. Love the idea with the slogan on the
brooms.

I'll join that march of proud villagers, if you'll have me.

Sometimes when the country is in a downward spin something unexpected comes out of the ashes and soars away, phoenix-like. Dubya likely hasn't even read the Constitution, and he was elected because a lot of citizens hadn't thought about their Constitution for many many years.

As horrible as this administration has been, it has at least re-connected many people to the idea that they're governed according to that piece of paper, and that real people died to preserve its integrity.

It's the hard way to learn a lesson, but it's a lesson well learned. I'm a realist at heart but damned optimistic that voters will try a different tack in 2008.

And it will sure feel good after those Iowans out there cast the very first votes of the 2008 election.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 02:10 PM
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85. Agreed
Edited on Sun Jul-15-07 02:18 PM by marions ghost
PROVIDED we get out of this horrendous fun house ride alive... we have learned a LOT of very hard lessons. That's a positive view of this time of trial & tribulation, and it translates to a seriously big challenge now. We have gotten a huge wake-up call. Eyes have been opened, brains are pondering, stomachs are churning... the villagers are awake, REALLY awake. That is something of a miracle. And we'll have Dubya and Dickie to 'thank' (to give God & the Devil their due--they can sure turn out some monsters when they want to).

Yes, we villagers must rally together now and demand what is rightfully ours. We want nothing more than honest leaders who have the vision to work for us ALL, ie. democracy like the founders intended. It's NOT too much to ask. We're done with this Democracy in Name Only experiment. We want the real thing, not the cheap knockoff. And we'll get there,I think/hope/pray. But first the brooms (and maybe several thousand dumpsters ).

:patriot::grouphug::patriot:As RFK jr said...:See you at the barricades...Old Crusoe :hi:
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 09:56 PM
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90. Well put, down to the very last call for dumpsters.
(And let's refuse to give that contract to Halliburton on the dumpsters... !)

:hi: :dem: :grouphug:
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 12:21 PM
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55. John Lewis
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 12:24 PM
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57. John Lewis is a class act. I think he'd be an EXCELLENT vice president.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 12:28 PM
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58. Yes, I wanted him in the VP slot in both 2000 and 2004
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Gidney N Cloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 12:30 PM
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59. Big fan of Clark but the VP slot probably should have someone a little younger.
It's too good of a launching pad for a 2016 campaign.
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rndmprsn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 12:32 PM
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61. Wesley Clark
my first inclination would be for John Edwards, but IMO Gore is progressive enough to carry the whole ticket, Clark would compliment Al Gore with his military credentials.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 12:32 PM
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62. Alexis Herman.
Edited on Sun Jul-15-07 12:34 PM by Old Crusoe
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CANDO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 12:34 PM
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63. Obama or Elliot Spitzer
eom
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 12:37 PM
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64. Oprah
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 12:47 PM
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68. Oprah. That would be an interesting choice for Al Gore.
He doesn't need Illinois -- it's pretty much in the bag, I think.

But she surely does have celebrity clout, and is one of the celebrities with virtually no negatives. She hasn't shot anybody, she isn't addicted to anything that we know of, and she doesn't seem to do much bed-hopping.

And she's smart and funny.

Maybe.
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:37 PM
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101. She has gawdawful taste in music.
She had Charlotte Church on her show when she was way too young to be singing professionally, and raved over (that nasal out of tune voice) it. She likes New Age Wallpaper Music too. Yuck.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 08:07 AM
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108. Didn't know about her tastes in music.
I wonder what she thinks of Laura Nyro's recordings? or Emmylou Harris? or Joni Mitchell.

Those are some of the show-stoppers for me.

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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 12:58 PM
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72. Gore jumps in come October, then wins our nomination.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 01:00 PM
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74. You're on a hot streak. Keep going.
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 01:11 PM
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80. Richardson, Edwards, or Clark...
Now... I LOVE Feingold, and I don't think Obama or Kucinich would be bad either... but, having one of these people act as Vice President would cause them to give up their seat in the House or Senate (where we need every seat we can get).

I like Richardson because of the wealth of experience he brings to the ticket. He's held offices from Ambassador to Governor, and he could swing the votes of New Mexico solidly in the Blue category. He'd also bring in Latino voters.

I like Edwards for his solid policy ideas on poverty, and he's been through the rigors of a presidential campaign before. Plus, I LOVE his wife.

I like clark because he's smart, military, and an unflappable debater.

But that's just my opinion, I'm sure whomever Gore chooses will be a solid candidate.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 01:46 PM
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83. Russ Feingold.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 02:22 PM
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87. Anyone
:D

AL Gore/Anyone 2008!



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Lindsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 03:23 PM
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88. Wesley Clark.... N/T
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Elspeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 03:24 PM
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89. Barbara Boxer
...
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 09:57 PM
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91. Gore/Jesus.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 10:06 PM
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92. If Jesus accepts the nod on the Gore ticket, it would piss off the fundies,
who like to claim him for the Republicans.

But I think Jesus is much more closely aligned with our party's platform than the Rethugs'.

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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 10:14 PM
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93. Yeah, but would Jesus take the #2 spot?
He's got a certain seniority and all.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 10:31 PM
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94. Good question. Yeah. I think he's flexible.
Plus, it's for a good cause.
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 10:42 PM
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95. That's definitely the liberal Jesus, not the conservative one.
:)
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 09:12 AM
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117. Jesus would lose his base with the religious right
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greenbriar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:31 PM
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97. John Kerry
JOhn Kerry
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 07:41 AM
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102. I think that's a breath-taking suggestion. Gore had John Kerry on his
short list in 2000. A very tall man on a very short list.

No reason it might not occur to him again were Gore to win the nomination. And I believe John Kerry would answer that call if it came.

They would share many common goals, not least an improved environmental profile for the world and a mutual disregard for the current president.
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greenbriar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 04:50 PM
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121. I say its poetic justice
they both got screwed the last 8 years
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:36 PM
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100. Wesley Clark to neutralize righties security blather
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 07:47 AM
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104. That wouldn't stop them...
Remember kerry was a coward and scrub was a war hero.

They would probably drag out that...Clark intentionally bombed to Chinese embassy in Yugoslavia rot they tried during the Bosnian crisis.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 08:50 AM
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110. yeah, and if we had Kucinich on the ticket, they'd call him a tofu-eating, yard gnome surrender monk
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 07:43 AM
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103. Me.
I've always wanted to have a job where I got paid oodles of cash and didn't have to do much work.
I'm sure I'd be a refreshing change from elmer fudd.

Seriously...Edwards.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 08:00 AM
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106. Mark Warner !
A fine governor from a purple state :)

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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 08:04 AM
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107. Good mornin'. I'd love to see Virginia go blue in 2008. That would
be a great outcome after a string of great victories. Mark, Tim, Jim -- the whole bunch.

I'm assuming Jim Gilmore, having dropped out of the race, is getting drunk in a poolhall someplace in Newport Beach. I kind of picture him that way. And he discovers in his drunken stupor that nobody knows him in the pool hall either.

Is Warner mentioned as a Senate candidate for John Warner's seat? I'm guessing with such lackluster fundraising that Warner is priming the pump for Davis.

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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 08:58 AM
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114. As the Virginia rumor mill goes....
Mark has his eye on the Senate or another run for Gov ? Also, there's speculation that Virginia could be the Floria/Ohio of 2008.

John Warner is very popular in Va. I don't think the GOP has anyone lined up to be his heir apparent (again rumor: Tom Davis, who's creepier than George Allen), so probably why the delay in announcing his retirement? Mark Warner or Tim Kaine can defeat ANY Republican in this state for the Senate, but I don't think they would challenge John Warner.

Thanks for the positive thread :hi:
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 09:10 AM
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115. Thanks for the update from the Old Dominion, Catchawave.
I also thank you for the contribution you personally made to Virginia's electing all those Democrats in succession. It sure has raised hope for a blue year in 2008 statewide. And that would be damned exciting.

Keep cookin' down there in the Blue Ridge.

:toast: :hi: :thumbsup: :dem:
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 06:47 PM
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122. This just in :)
Chris Matthews interviewing Jim Gilmore(R-Pres-drop-out)...may run for Va Senate now ?
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 01:01 AM
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126. O god I hope not. He'd be bad in any public service position of course,
but I was hoping we could turn that seat blue next time.

John Warner doesn't seem to have a whole lot of cash on hand. Makes me think he's not seeking re-election.

How fine it would be to have a Democratic Governor in Virginia AND 2 Democratic U.S. Senators.

Do what you can!
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JustABozoOnThisBus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 08:10 AM
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109. Ralph Nader, just to stop him running for prez as indy
Just K I D D I N G !

Edwards or Obama.

I doubt Kerry would consider running as #2.

Next tier, Kucinich or Richardson.

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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 08:54 AM
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112. I'm guessing Gore and Kucinich would have a lot in common
ideologically, but their styles are notably different. It would be an interesting meeting.

Richardson would put two Bill Clinton Cabinet members back together in a new time and era of thinking. Could be very productive, given Richardson's expertise on energy and Gore's concern for the environmental health of the planet.

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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 08:52 AM
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111. Edwards--Southern and most progressive of those who can get through corporate filter
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 08:58 AM
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113. Hi, yurbud. It would be dramatic also in that both men are "new" Southerners.
When I was a kid Southern Democrats were folks like Kissin' Jim Folsum, George Wallace, Footsie Britt, and so on. Men who stood like Lester Maddox on the steps of buildings to prevent black citizens from entering those buildings for education or for justice and so forth.

When Bill Clinton was elected, there was suddenly a Southern governor who asked Maya Angelou, a black poet, to read a poem at his inaugural. Historic and powerful change of mind and heart.

A Gore-Edwards ticket would give us two more of those new Southerners and help bury the past of social exile and discrimination.

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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 09:11 AM
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116. yep--remake that Clinton-Gore mojo. Also, Edwards has passion to counter-balance Gore gravitas
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 09:14 AM
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118. wesley clark
or john edwards
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assclown_bush Donating Member (573 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 09:15 AM
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119. Easy. Joe Lieberman.
If at first you don't succeed...:rofl:
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 11:16 AM
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120. In fairness to Lieberman, I'm certain he was a plus for Gore in the
Florida election (notwithstanding BushCo's stealing of the whole election that night in Florida).

There are communities along the east coast of SE Florida who turned out in very significant numbers for Gore in part because Lieberman was on the ticket. Not to oversimplify, but Lieberman has strong appeal in those areas and folks turned out for us Democrats owing in part to Gore's choosing him as his veep nom.

However.

I think Joe's days in the limelight are a past-tense affair.
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Geek_Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 06:49 PM
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123. Dean
nt
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 06:59 PM
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124. Gore/Obama 2008
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 07:31 PM
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125. General Wesley K. Clark.
Guaranteed victory.
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