OK... Fess Up You DU Anti-Impeachment Pragmatists !!!

[WillyT]

Poll question: OK... Fess Up You DU Anti-Impeachment Pragmatists !!!

Let's stipulate for the sake of argument, that in the 2008 Elections, the Democrats take the presidency, and increase their majorities in both houses of Congress.

If that is what happens, and after swearing everybody in in January 2009, you believe:

:shrug:

Just curious how "pragmatic" y'all are???

[mmonk]

1. Of course the caveat is "if".

Those that argue not to impeach either bush or Cheney do not consider anything but that we will take all.

[WillyT]

3. I Know... Once Again We Have The Elmer Fudd Democrats...

"Be vewy, vewy, qwiet... wewr hunting the pwesidency."

[Jack Rabbit]

2. Impeach and remove as soon as possible.

If there can be a worse betrayal by a supposed leader of a democratic state than lying to the citizens about why he is taking the nation to war, I can't think of what it could be.

Not only is that an impeachable offense, it is a war crime.

[TahitiNut]

4. After a flood of Presidential pardons in January 2009, what's left to prosecute?

:eyes:

While pardons would not prevent prosecution in international courts, I seriously doubt the Inside-the-Beltway Club would permit such extradition and prosecution at all. Not for a second.

[lligrd]

5. You Hit The Nail On The Head When You Said

A pardon doesn't work for International crimes and the crimes they are guilty of are intrenational. Hand them over to the world court or better yet to Iraq.

[TahitiNut]

7. Neither the US nor Iraq is a member of the ICC.

One of Dear Leader's acts in 2002 was to "unsign" the Rome Statute ... along with Israel. Afghanistan, however, is a member but I doubt the Karzai government would cooperate. Sadly, Cuba is not a member. Torture at Gitmo would otherwise fall under the ICC's jurisdiction. (Maybe someone should tell Fidel?)

[lligrd]

9. How About Paraquay

Or perhaps Canada could invite him up for another visit.

[lligrd]

6. Time To End Presidential Pardons

or at least severly limit them. They haven't been used for much good in many years anyway.

[Hippo_Tron]

11. Presidential pardons are an essential check on the judicial sylstem

The founding fathers wrote them into the constitution for a reason. I would consider supporting an amendment saying that the president may not pardon anyone who committed a crime while serving as a member of his administration.

[lligrd]

12. They Suggested Something Similar On Air America

Exempting any member of the Executive Branch.

[Selatius]

8. I believe in prosecuting them for war crimes/crimes against humanity, but I doubt the Dem leaders...

will go that far. Likely, the crimes will be tried in Germany, since their constitution has a universal jurisdiction clause written in dealing with international war crimes if the nations responsible do not prosecute for those crimes.

[philosophie_en_rose]

10. Keep Moving Forward.

Which includes moving forward with investigations, as well as overhauling the rest of the government.

On a pragmatic level, it would be foolish to ignore the events leading to so much shit, but it would also be foolish to ignore the wreckage that must be fixed.

[WillyT]

13. Kick !!!

:shrug:

[Telly Savalas]

14. The goverment needs to focus on solving problems related to

global warming, Iraq, health care, poverty, and education, among others.

Hauling Bush from his brush-clearing in Crawford and putting him in a country-club minimum security prison isn't going to put food on the table for a single mother with 3 kids. It isn't going to do anything about carbon emissions. It's not going to help a victim of cancer who's facing tens of thousands in medical costs. It won't help a child who can't afford to go to college. And it won't end the war either.

I'm tired of the fucking soap opera. I just want the government to do its fucking job.

Set up some little committee to investigate and prosecute the ex-Bush administration lecture circuit losers, but any government which makes that its central focus at the expense of the problems listed above is just as useless as the government we have now.