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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 10:23 PM
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Question: Is an American of Algerian descent an "African-American"?
I'm just trying to figure out what the term really means.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 10:31 PM
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1. Oh Brother! Not this argument again?!? :( n/t
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Kiouni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 10:34 PM
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4. I think they should just have a color chart and you point
to which color best represents you that day.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 10:35 PM
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5. Uh, I didn't mean it to be an argument and I didn't know it had been discussed.
Do you have an opinion about it?
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La_Fourmi_Rouge Donating Member (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 07:06 PM
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42. This has not been discussed in my temure here. n/t
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Kiouni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 10:33 PM
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2. This question reminds me
of when I was in high-school. My school had a diversity award are something and the students could vote for "african-american" of the year. And a white kid who's family had moved here from South Africa ran for it. And the school was dumb-founded at what to do. Eventually I think they got him to quit through pressure.
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Solo_in_MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 10:36 PM
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7. Seen that kind of thing elsewhere
somehow there are no whites in Africa...
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 10:40 PM
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9. That would be South African-American. n/t
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 10:47 PM
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11. Uh, I don't think Algeria is in the south of Africa...
:eyes:
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Kiouni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 10:48 PM
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12. Just like I'm middle American?
Maybe we should get label guns and stand out on street corners and end this debate once and for all!
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 10:33 PM
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3. They are if they say they are. They aren't if they say they aren't.
Culture and perception trump everything.

Hekate

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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 10:47 PM
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10. Okay, that does make some sense. I had a reason for asking:
The other day I flew some people to Dallas and when I got back I was asked if I could spare a half hour to check out a young fellow who wanted to rent an airplane. So I said sure, I can do that and while we were flying we chatted and he mentioned his parents came from Algiers and that he was born in New York. As that is a country I never visited, I thought it was interesting. I asked him (maybe I was out of line but I simply wondered) "Do you consider yourself an African-American? He said "No, I'm just an American and so are my mom and dad." They were naturalized back in the 1980s.

So I thought, should I consider myself to be a "German-American?" My great-grandparents came from there. And I realized that concept had never entered my mind. I think that sort of hyphenated nationality-identification is a pretty stupid thing.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 12:53 AM
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16. I grew up in Hawaii, & concluded that racial/ethnic identity is very fluid & contextual
I put my young observations together with what I learned (from thousands of miles away) about black/white identity -- the whole "one drop" idea, people who "passed" but had to leave family and friends behind, all of that sad stupid business. Black/white identity was thrust upon people and there were profound social implications in the label.

Where I was at the time everyone wanted to claim their Hawaiian ancestry if they had any at all, no matter if they actually looked more like their Chinese or English or (for that matter) African-American ancestors. It was about identity and belonging.

Barack Obama is younger than I am and when he was growing up in Hawaii he was more exotic, since his father was actually from Africa and not (for instance) US military personnel stationed in the Islands temporarily. But since his father was nowhere around he was left to figure out for himself what his racial/ethnic/cultural identity was to be.

Since this was Hawaii I think he actually had a choice in the matter, as many people there are biracial and multiracial. He chose to be an African-American, to affiliate with that home-grown Mainland culture. He left the Islands and married an African-American woman. And NOW that he has entered the national stage as a viable candidate for president, NOW the African-American community at large is debating whether he is actually African-American, since not only is he biracial but he is not descended from slaves. Quite a few have questioned his cultural identity.

So I've come full-circle in my observations that race is far from being completely determined by putative ancestry.

Your Algerian acquaintance probably calls himself Algerian-American in the manner that most hyphenated Americans do, referencing the ancestral country of origin rather than the entire continent.

Hekate

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Solo_in_MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 01:24 PM
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27. Like you I grew up in Hawaii and am multi-racial/multi ethnic
My wife is also multi racial/multi ethnic. This gets interesting when it comes to declaring race on the forms. Also most forms are self certify, and the Gov agency is not allowed to change things. We normally check multi racial if we can, and if they want a list, it gets interesting. Most people take us for tanned Caucasian.

I have also seen the attempts by school personnel to force changes in those declarations. One good friend was told that his daughters were not black enough to qualify for minority scholarship programs, not because of their skin color, but because they were did not act black. It was an interesting food fight.

As a nation we really need to get over the labels and color things...

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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 03:41 PM
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32. Thanks for the validation. My background gave me a unique perspective...
...as I discovered when I moved to the Mainland.

It's partly because I never could "look local", my ancestors having mostly come from a far North set of islands (i.e. Ireland, England), so for 20 or so years I was asked if I were a military dependent (i.e. a recent and temporary arrival; we were civilians all the way). So as much as I loved the Islands I had a sense of outsiderness, and being me I thought about it.

Then I moved to California permanently when my children were toddlers, started work here, and discovered that my perspective was really different. Early on I offended an African-American female co-worker all to bits by endorsing interracial marriage as a way to mitigate racism. I baffled a Jewish colleague by saying I didn't understand how another person saying someone "sounded New Yorkie" could be construed as anti-Semitic, since like Pidgin and Southern it is a distinctive regional accent. Basically I learned not to share these thoughts, even as I worked on the county Affirmative Action Commission for 12 years. :eyes:

As you can tell, I find Obama's Hawaii connection fascinating on many levels, not least of which is the way it has reactivated my internal observations about race and culture, and also the way it is activating a debate about same in the African-American communities.

See you around. :hi:

Hekate

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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 08:14 AM
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20. Even facts?
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 11:43 AM
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25. See my post # 16 and check back with me
:hi:

Hekate

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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 08:22 AM
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23. So would I be an African-American if I called myself one?
Edited on Fri Jun-29-07 08:23 AM by Donald Ian Rankin
Neither I nor any of my ancestors (well, at least since prehistory) come from either Africa or America, or have spent significant time in either, so far as I know.

In grey areas, by all means pay account to self-determination, but a term like "African-American" has to have some objective basis to it to mean anything.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 03:21 PM
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29. "So far as I know..."
Hi Donald! :hi: Long time, no see! Would you so kindly indulge me in an
anecdote?

My ice dancing coach related this story to me. His brother was Stevie Wonder's trusted Tonmeister. We of that era referred to the Nachschleppers as "Wonderland on Parade." One day in the studio, Brother Tonmeister offered an opinion. A young member of WoP was quick (perceiving BT as a WHITE MAN) in his attempt to shut him down saying, "WHY should we listen to YOU? YOU'RE not BLACK!" BT, without missing a beat said, "And HOW do YOU know THAT?" The control room went SILENT and Stevie doubled over laughing. This occurred around the time that an "African-American" actor was able to document his relationship to the Royal Family.

EVERYONE present understood the "one-drop" rule and NO ONE DARED to cross BT in such a crass manner again. :rofl::rofl::rofl:
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 10:36 PM
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6. Algerian-American n/t
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 10:39 PM
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8. Africa: It's like a whole other country. n/t
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 10:48 PM
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13. Yeah, no shit. Who would know better than Dumbya?
...
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 10:49 PM
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14. That would probably be arab American (assuming he is arabic and not
Kabyle or Berber, and then, I do not know the answer).
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 10:56 PM
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15. I honestly don't know about that nor do I know much about north African ethnicity.
Edited on Thu Jun-28-07 10:57 PM by karlrschneider
The guy looked almost Hispanic to me at first blush. We didn't delve into the nuances of it though. He was a very nice kid in any case...and I knew within the first 3 minutes he could fly the plane perfectly well. But he paid for 30 minutes and I figured he ought to get credit for it. :-)

edit: I forgot to mention, he is in college at Tulsa University which is my own Alma Mater...on a scholarship.
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wellst0nev0ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 04:12 AM
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17. Hookay, Then Just Call Us "Slave Descendents"
Jesus, why must people insist on complicating things?
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 04:13 AM
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18. But not all African Americans are slave-descended
Take Barack Obama, for example.
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wellst0nev0ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 01:51 PM
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28. That's The Point
Since some people are so caught up in specificities, why not just go with a specific term to categorize blacks that were descended from slaves, instead of lumping all people who descended from all parts of the continent of Africa?
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 08:12 AM
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19. IMO the term "African-American" should be reserved for blacks descended from slaves.
If you came over here from more recent immigration you would be Somali-American, Nigerian-American, Algerian-American, etc.

North Africans are "White" in the broadest sense of the term so calling them "African-Americans" would confuse too many people because it is associated with Americans of sub-Saharan African ancestry who are descended from slaves.
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genie_weenie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 08:18 AM
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21. Technically everyone is an African-American.
Which is why we need to stop the Fundies from forcing creationism into schools. All mankind are cousins and can trace their ancestry back to africa. Maybe if everyone is taught they are related we'd treat each other better.

Now, in politics it has been sometimes "useful" to trace recent your ancestry back to a certain land mass and identify themselves with that land mass.
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asthmaticeog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 03:52 PM
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34. Everyone?
I suspect people from Japan, Russia or India would take umbrage at being called African-Americans.
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genie_weenie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 04:41 PM
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38. Crud, 2 things. Yes, EVERYONE
in the US is an African American and EVERYONE in the Pacific Rim is an African as well.
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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 07:20 AM
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44. i'm with malcolm x on this: "the original man was a black man"
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querelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 08:20 AM
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22. Maghreb American?
Maghreb covers all people of North African descent but not Egyptians I think.

Q
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 08:24 AM
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24. Oh stop it

http://www.answers.com/topic/african-american?cat=health

The use of the taxonomic category African American, either in public or health or other disciplines, fundamentally reflects the historic and contemporary systems of racial stratification in American society. The term "African American," as a categorical descriptor, includes many different segments of the American population referred to as "black" or Americans of sub-Saharan African ancestry. It is also a product of the group self-definition process in which African Americans have historically engaged as an expression of identity, power, defiance, pride, and the struggle for human rights. These designations were often in contradistinction to official government classifications and popular characterizations, which frequently reflected prevailing ideas about white supremacy intended to denigrate African Americans.

The historical roots of the nominal identity of African Americans date back to the early nineteenth century, when there were intense debates and political movements, mostly among free blacks in the North, to reunite with their African heritage. Part of the discussion and designation also involved classification of "mixed-race" populations, whose identity raised serious questions about the relevance of racial classification based on pigmentation. According to Collier-Thomas and Turner,

From the 1830s to the middle of the 1890s, Colored American and the more commonly used derivation Colored were the most popular terms. At the beginning of the twentieth century, Negro gained considerable support as a generic term, becoming by 1920 the most commonly used expression of race. Increasing dissatisfaction with the term Negro, most noted in the late 1930s, culminated with the Black power movement of the 1960s.

During the latter period of heightened cultural nationalism, "Black" and "Afro-American" emerged as key terms for race designation and were frequently used interchangeably. More recently, in the late 1980s, "African American" was posited as the most appropriate and comprehensive race designation. This current designation not only reflects a historical lineage, but it also establishes an identity that is rooted in cultural and ethnogeographic origins, rather than skin pigmentation as defined by United States politics and policy.

One reason for the attention African Americans have given to group designations is that group classifications by the white majority were highly instrumental in attempting to justify slavery, deny basic human rights, and restrain social opportunities. These oppressive practices had the effect of subordinating African Americans. Richard B. Moore in a book entitled The Name "Negro": Its Origin and Evil Use described how the skin color and other physical features of Africans who were brought into slavery "were identified in the mind of the people generally with ugliness, repulsion, and baseness." During earlier periods of the twentieth century, white media, publishers, and the scientific community largely refused to capitalize group designations such as Black, Colored, Negro, or African. This practice was in clear contrast to references in print to whites or the Caucasian "race." Moreover, scientific research and theories about so-called racial group differences (e.g., eugenics) were highly influential in promoting white supremacy.

Public health and medicine have historically reflected the racial inequities of American society as manifested in discrimination in medical care, research ethics and applications, professional education, and ideas about the disease etiology. Physicians in the antebellum period gave different treatment to blacks because of the belief that the black physiology was inferior to whites and thus differed with regard to intelligence, sexuality, and sensitivity to pain. These racist beliefs in the subhuman qualities of the "Black race" were responsible for blacks being used as subjects in excruciating medical experiments. For example, between 1845 and 1849, Dr. J. Marion Sims, the father of modern gynecology, subjected three African-American women in Alabama to 30 operations without anesthesia to perfect a surgical technique to repair vesicovaginal fistulas. During the same period, another physician in Georgia, Dr. Thomas Hamilton, subjected black bodies to high temperatures by burying them with their heads above ground in his quest to test the remedy for heatstroke so that slaves could work longer hours in the field. This tragic legacy of unethical race biology research was evident in the infamous Tuskegee syphilis study, in which 399 black men in Alabama unknowingly participated in a study (from 1932 to 1972) to determine the health consequences of untreated syphilis, even though there were known treatments for the disease during this period.

Some scholars have asserted that a lasting effect of this type of institutional racism has been the reluctance of many African Americans to seek medical care. The apprehension of being given different and inferior treatment or being used as guinea pigs in unethical medical research is also believed to have led to the present distrust by African Americans of prevention and treatment in HIV/AIDS (human immunodeficiency virus/acquired immunodeficiency syndrome). Indeed, the persistence in the disparity of health outcomes between African Americans and the white population was the subject of a governmental report in 1985 documenting 60,000 excess deaths among African Americans.

Implicit in most discussions of race and health is the suggestion of a direct "racial" or genetic lineage between African Americans and Africans, advancing the notion of a defective gene pool in these populations. Ancestors of most African Americans were primarily from West Africa, and therefore the imputed genetic heritage may not necessarily be applicable to Africans from other parts of the continent. Additionally, sickle cell anemia, which has been conventionally viewed as an African-American or "Black" genetic disease, actually evolved from a biologic adaptation among persons residing in tropical climates as a protection against malaria. However, many non– West Africans, for example, people of the Mediterranean region or descent, also have a high incidence of this disease or carry the trait but would not be considered "Black" or African American. Also, some diseases such as stomach, lung, and esophageal cancers, as well as hypertension, are higher in African Americans than many Africans and, according to a study in Chicago, low birthweight is higher among African Americans compared to Africans. These examples suggest the strong role of environmental influences rather than genetic factors. Thus putative associations with "black" skin color or other phenotypic similarities are more complex and will continue to be the subject of more public health debate with regard to the human genome project, gene therapy applications, and sociobiologic research.

Within the field of public health, there has been extensive discussion of what the term "race" actually means and its overall value. One problem is that it is seldom defined by researchers. References are frequently made to biologic, cultural, and socioeconomic factors, as well as racism and political differences, without explicitly stating their meaning or relevance. For example, although the term "African American" is generally used inter-changeably with "Black" or "Negro," this is not the case with the descriptor of "non-white," which was widely used prior to 1960. This "racial" category included mostly African Americans but also Hispanic populations, Asian Americans, and Native Americans.

About 30 million persons were identified as African American in the U.S. Census of 1990. From the perspective of public health research, practice, and policy, it is not possible to view them as a monolithic or single group. While they have many commonalities, especially in terms of political opinions and interests, geographic concentrations, and some cultural patterns, it is crucial that public health professionals recognize within-group differences. Social heterogeneity among African Americans regarding health practices or risk factors and outcomes must be carefully examined in terms of age, gender, geographic location, migratory status, social class or socioeconomic status (e.g., education and income), and nativity.

The history of social designations applied to African Americans suggests that the nominal identity of this group may change in the future to reflect the evolution of internal group consciousness, political interests, and social heterogeneity or diversity. Some groups such as "biracial" persons or foreign-born immigrants from African or Caribbean countries may choose in increasing numbers not to be viewed strictly as African American. These issues point to the dynamic nature and significance of racial classification—it has changed and will continue to change. It is also important to note that African American as a racial classification in the United States reflects the unique historical experience and journey of identity in ways that render international comparisons problematic.

In summary, being classified as African American is quite significant because it reflects an important social group transformation and reality in terms of group identity, political orientation, life chances or social opportunity, normative standards and lifestyles, and discriminatory behavior. These are some of the factors that strongly relate to disease susceptibility, quality of life, morbidity and mortality, and longevity. It is only when the reality of racial classification carries little social impact that the term will become obsolete. At the present time, it is unlikely that serious consideration can be given to eliminating the use of racial designations such as "African American" in public health.

(SEE ALSO: Ethnicity and Health; Ethnocentrism; Immigrants, Immigration)

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Charatz-Litt, C. (1992). "A Chronicle of Racism: The Effects of the White Medical Community on Black Health." The Journal of the National Medical Association 84:717–725.

Collier-Thomas, B., and Turner, J. (1994). "Race, Class and Color: The African American Discourse on Identity." Journal of American Ethnic History 14:5–31.

Cooper, R. S. (1998). "A Note of the Biological Concept of Race and Its Application in Epidemiologic Research." American Heart Journal 108:715–723.

David, R. J., and Collins, J. W., Jr. (1997). "Differing Birth Weight Among Infants of U.S.-Born Blacks, African-Born Blacks, and U.S.-Born Whites." New England Journal of Medicine 337:1209–1214.

Gamble, V. N. (1997). "Under the Shadow of Tuskegee: African Americans and Health Care." The American Journal of Public Health 87:1773–1778.

Gould, S. J. (1996). The Mismeasure of Man. New York: Norton Press.

Jones, J. (1981). Bad Blood: The Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment: A Tragedy of Race and Medicine. New York: The Free Press.

King, G. (1997). "The 'Race' Concept in Smoking: A Review of the Research on African Americans." Social Science and Medicine 45:1075–1087.

King, G., and Williams, D. R. (1995). "Race and Health: A Multidimensional Approach to African-American Health." In Society and Health, ed. by Amick, Levine, Tarlov, and Walsh. New York: Oxford University Press.

Moore, R. B. (1992). The Name "Negro": Its Origin and Evil Use, 2nd edition. Baltimore, MD: Black Classic Press.

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justjones Donating Member (596 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 04:08 PM
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37. Thanks for the link. (n/t)
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 11:44 AM
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26. The term means black americans.
And if you didn't already know that, there's no helping you.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 03:51 PM
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33. Correct
And "black Americans" can be a wide range of colors, from black to light brown, but the term "African American" is about that specific group of people.
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 03:24 PM
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30. Yes - flawed term, flawed results
This issue came up in Maryland about 10 years ago. If I recall correctly, there was a scholarship for African American students. They chose a winner, and were shocked when a white girl showed up.

But that's life. If you use a flawed term, expect flawed results.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 03:39 PM
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31. The 1,099 Trillion Principle. How many ancestors do we have?
That depends on where Algerians parents were from:

The 1,099 Trillion Principle.
How many ancestors do we have?
http://jqjacobs.net/anthro/ancestors.html


We each have 2 parents .. 4 grandparents ..
8 grandparents, 16 great grandparents, 32, 64, 128, 256,
512 great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandparents,
1,024 2,048 4,092 8,184 16,368

Fifteen generations ago 32,736 great, great..... grandparents.
Counting back, every generation twice as many ancestors as the generation before.

.........

We are ALL one family.

Given 25 years per generation, 40 generations occur in 1000 years.
We each have 1,099 trillion ancestors in the last 1000 years,
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Marrak Donating Member (332 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 03:52 PM
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35. Is he a North-African American...
He is from Al Jaza'ir, so he's an AlJaza'iri. Could be a berber (Imazighen) too, or a MiGrebi (from Migreb), or if he hails from Oran, he could be a Camus? Have you got any DNA? (I think I've been had)...:crazy:
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 03:54 PM
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36. and isn't a Cuban-American really just a Caribbean-American?
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 04:46 PM
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39. This is all about a white person asking
HOW do WE define THEM???
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 05:32 PM
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40. Question: Is an Italian or Italian-American a Hispanic?
Spain ruled most of Italy for a good while. Long before the formation of a unified country now known as Italy.

Are we Hispanics? :shrug:
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asthmaticeog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 06:56 PM
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41. I'm tempted at this point to post Dennis Hopper's rant from "True Romance."
I shall refrain.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 07:11 AM
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43. Formula 1 driver Lewis Hamilton
He was born in England, and is the first black driver of African or Afro-Caribbean ancestry to compete in F1.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Hamilton


A few weeks ago, one of the race announcers mentioned Hamilton is African-American. Sheesh, the guy was born in ENGLAND.

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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 07:21 AM
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45. White woman born in Africa
Many years ago, I saw a white woman on TV. She said her parents are Americans (U.S. citizens), but moved to Africa. This lady was born in Africa, so she considered herself an African. Because she was born to U.S. citizens, she automatically would hold citizenship to U.S. too. I guess she could be called African-American or American-African.
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