If this is the price we must pay to win, I'm not sure its worth it.

[Hamlette]

"Science is a gift of God to all of us and science has taken us to a place that is biblical in its power to cure. And that is the embryonic stem cell research."

Nancy Pelosi

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2007/06/quote-of-day-and-in-bad-way-by-tristero.html

I like Nancy...but this is insulting. I'm going to try and pretend she didn't say it but isn't there room in this country for a party that believes in intellectual honesty? I say there is.

[David__77]

1. I don't care about that statement.

And I'm certainly not a believer. If I were religious, I would believe that science indeed was a gift from God, however; therefore, I see nothing strange about this, provided that the real, material-based scientific method is upheld.

[Dhalgren]

2. Right. We'll just pretend that a superman gave it to us. I am not being snarky.

I know it sounded like it, but I really wasn't. Think of all of the other items and issues that the fundies get their shrouds in a wad over. All of those things could be gifts from ____________ (fill in the blank)!

[magellan]

3. I know it isn't

We've put up with the right using religion to persuade people politically for TOO LONG. Now we have to put up with it from the Dems? Yeah, pandering to the faithful has worked so well for this country so far.

[hfojvt]

4. Really. When did they start doing that?

And why?

[magellan]

7. The religious forum the Dem candidates did this week

I don't know for whom or why other than that I seem to remember reading here that it was sponsored by a respectable religious organization, and I see no other reason why than pandering. When has a religious forum been done for the candidates before?

The Dems started waving their faith around a while ago, last year I think, and it was greeted cynically then...by people here AND on the right.

[hfojvt]

11. You missed my signature quote from Carter?

I could dig up the quote I posted from Al Gore in 2000, talking about his faith. I bet there are quotes from Clinton too, although they are probably hard to find, given how much the Clenis has been written about. Or the Reverend Jesse Jackson speaking to the Democratic National Convention in 1984
"Tonight we come together bound by our faith in a mighty God, with genuine respect and love for our country, and inheriting the legacy of a great party, the Democratic Party, which is the best hope for redirecting our nation on a more humane, just and peaceful course." Jesse Jackson

It's not pandering if our candidates are genuine. It is being pushed by Jim Wallis who perhaps wants to show that Christians can be progressives and vice versa, but it's hardly new for Democrats to mention their faith.

[magellan]

12. There's a difference

There's a difference between 'mentioning' their faith, which I've never had a problem with although I'm atheist, and inserting it into political discourse at the level I now see. The clips I saw of the Dems religious forum sickened me. It's pandering and I find it as off-putting as what the Repugs have done. The Dems should be raising the level of discussion, not competing with the Repugs in a race to the bottom.

[EFerrari]

5. Wtf? Who IS this person? n/t

[Hamlette]

6. I know...freaks me out.

I simply do not get religious people especially when they make me adhere to their beliefs.

[EFerrari]

8. Has Nancy recently been converted?

:sarcasm:

[Hamlette]

9. sounds like it...from Catholic to right wing looney. n/t

[EFerrari]

10. There is no benefit to us to engage in this kind of rhetoric.

It's blowing up all over the Republics and it will blow up all over us.

[Bluebear]

13. Holy moly. nt

[mudesi]

14. The Democrats will forever and always be forced to pander to the religious

Not until the Senate is done away with will the Democrats not have to pander to religious fundamentalists. Two Senators per state, regardless of population, means the south and the midwest will always have a disproportionate amount of power.

It's why American cities are crumbling under social decay. Republican policy combined with religious irrationality that supports such Republican policy, and the corporate power structure that maintains the rigged system that allows it.

[BlooInBloo]

16. Wow - what a freaky coincidence. lol!

[BlooInBloo]

15. Just a politician pandering to the stupid American masses.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

17. I Think It's A Great Statement. What's The Problem?

Where's the insult?

Oh, wait, forget it, I see. It's the whole 'if there's any hint of religion I must hate it and act insulted' concept. Gotcha. :eyes:

[ecstatic]

18. I don't like her too tough, but I think she's just speaking metaphorically nt

[sandnsea]

19. She's brilliant

That's the exact way to talk to these idiotic religous morons. Science is nothing but what God has put here anyway, so how the HELL can you object to it. You friggin' idiot.

No, that's not what she said, but it is what she meant.