"enhanced interrogation techniques" is a term coined by the Nazis

[Hamlette]

What I am reporting is a simple empirical fact: the interrogation methods approved and defended by this president are not new. Many have been used in the past. The very phrase used by the president to describe torture-that-isn't-somehow-torture - "enhanced interrogation techniques" - is a term originally coined by the Nazis. The techniques are indistinguishable. The methods were clearly understood in 1948 as war-crimes. The punishment for them was death.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2007/05/verschfte_verne.html

[meegbear]

1. Fuck off Sully ...

you used to worship this administration and his way of doing things. Shits like you have no credibility on these matters.

[last1standing]

2. Because the last thing we want is for someone to admit they were wrong.

I really wonder if some of the people who post here even understand what they're saying.

[Hamlette]

4. Attack the messenger instead of listen to the message. Way to go DU! You have hit rock bottom.

Huffington and Brock used to worship the GOP but they do not get attacked each time their names are mentioned. Is it because you only attack gays who have changed their minds...no, that can't be it.

(I would point out that Josh Marshall had a post yesterday where he admitted to being a fan of Sullivan. Do you hate him now too?)

You sound like the Clinton hating republicans. This place is starting to depress me.

[meegbear]

7. Because I am tired pundits who spent years tellling me why I'm wrong ...

not supporting the war lecturing me on why I'm wrong if I do. I never have supported it and people like him should admit they were wrong and keep quiet.

If you want to make him out as the bestest thing since sliced bread, fine. But I'm going my mind, thank you.

And as a gay man myself, FUCK OFF.

[mmonk]

3. Now stop that. Everyone knows we're a "culture of life" now.

Funny, but I got up this morning and turned on the TV and saw someone arguing for torture. It made me more determined that the constitution must be defended. Politics as usual is not acceptable. I really don't care what the minders of the party have to say. There is right and there is wrong and you can't be anymore clearer than the issue of incarceration without trial and torture.

[fasttense]

5. But even the Nazis did not authorize waterboarding...at first.

"The phrase "Verschärfte Vernehmung" is German for "enhanced interrogation". Other translations include "intensified interrogation" or "sharpened interrogation". It's a phrase that appears to have been concocted in 1937, to describe a form of torture that would leave no marks, and hence save the embarrassment pre-war Nazi officials were experiencing as their wounded torture victims ended up in court."

"Also: the use of hypothermia, authorized by Bush and Rumsfeld, was initially forbidden. 'Waterboarding" was forbidden too, unlike that authorized by Bush. As time went on, historians have found that all the bureaucratic restrictions were eventually broken or abridged. Once you start torturing, it has a life of its own. The "cold bath" technique - the same as that used by Bush against al-Qahtani in Guantanamo - was ."

What a sad comment on the moral downfall of the United States of America when such obvious and exact parallels can be drawn from Nazi documents.

[Mist]

6. Sully's awfully late to the party, but I never thought of him as an actual

political commentator anyway. And the Bush-Nazi connection is a historical fact. They loved the "ubermenschen" and felt right at home with them.