I'm really sad.

[babylonsister]

I hope this fervor against the health care option and Obama dies down. But will this continue for the jobs bill, the energy/environment concerns, everything? Will everyone be against the Prez just because?

I fought long and hard against idiot son, and this sounds too similar to me. :cry:

[HughMoran]

1. On DU or...?

[babylonsister]

2. Yes, on DU. Am I alone in seeing this? nt

[HughMoran]

4. Just wanted to clarify first. No, this place must be making the Freepers giddy

What better present could Santa bring to the Freepers than a DU where 50% give their Democratic President an "F" grade? It's so stupid that I chuckle a little bit posting that poll result. Remember, many are angry about not getting their way and the only way they know to get their jollies is to call names and otherwise make fun of people who support what Obama is trying to accomplish. The reason this forum is getting busy quickly is because you are not alone in seeing this. What I can't comprehend though is why the below rule is not enforced - clearly GD has turned into a place that echos the tone/substance of our political opponents.

Constructive criticism of Democrats or the Democratic Party is permitted. When doing so, please keep in mind that most of our members come to this website in order to get a break from the constant attacks in the media against our candidates and our values. Highly inflammatory or divisive attacks that echo the tone or substance of our political opponents are not welcome here.












(edit - can I ever make a post without typos?)

[babylonsister]

8. I wish we could consolidate an argument to let the admin know

that their wicked, out-of-this-world criticism isn't following any Dem values or supporting Dems that I know of.

Really. There has got to be a way that the admins on here can curb the vitriol.

[HughMoran]

13. I've thought of doing some research, but it's a lot of work

Between searching and tracking down where some of these posters are coming from, it could probably be shown that we've been invaded by "forbidden site" people. You'd think that the admins know all they need to know, however, and are waiting for an election year before they start enforcing the rules more strictly.

[babylonsister]

14. I don't know how to do a comprehensive search. I wonder if they're

waiting this out, as they do most topics that generate a lot of threads, then die out. (Schiavo, Pope, etc.)

I worry that this won't die out, and the longer it lingers, the deeper the hate, wounds, and long memories. The long memories worry me the most.

[HughMoran]

16. I've posted a few threads warning of an armageddon here

There comes a point when "I'm sorry" just doesn't cut it any more. I was hoping I was wrong as Sunday wasn't the worst day ever, but then the hate just started boiling over again yesterday and today. I'm stumped - I really don't know when/if this will die down. At least we can discuss it like grownups here without being taunted & accused of espionage - lol. Some of the shit these people come up with is completely off the wall :crazy:

[Bobbie Jo]

21. This place is just flat off the hook.

I can only hope there's a limit at some point. :wtf:

[SeattleGirl]

3. I think the worst of the bunch are people who didn't want Obama

in the first place, or people who have gotten so used to being angry they don't know how to be any other way, or just flat out trolls.

I hope it dies down too, but I don't know that it will. I'm just glad this forum is here so we can talk about things Obama is doing without an angry mob coming after us.

[Cha]

5. Imv, it's a continuation of

the primaries with many trolls loggin on to take advantage of the continuous war on DU.

And, yes, anything Obama attempts to do he will be called "a liar" and "he's not doing enough", "he's weak"..dadadadaddaddadadadadadada.

But, we have a port in the Storm and Pres Obama will continue doing the work he set out to do with the likes of jane MARCHING WITH THE TEABAGGERS hamsher on the left and beck MARCHING WITH THE TEABAGGERS on the right doing their assholery as usual.

[angee_is_mad]

6. I doubt it on here

but I noticed the progressives making their way around the talk shows have lightened up on their kill the bill rhetoric.

[HughMoran]

7. Dean specifically

I guess he goes under the bus now? :rofl:

[firedupdem]

9. Something needs to be done...it's really bad...

Could you imagine sending an Obama supporter to this site? Yikes!

This rule has gotten lost as well:

"insults, name-calling, or other expressions of contempt toward
Barack Obama or his supporters are not welcome"

[babylonsister]

11. That's in 'the rules'? Where the hell are the admins and mods to

counter it?

I'm all for people voicing their opinions, but it's gotten way out of hand around here, and does reflect on the front page when there are so many angry people.

Maybe that's why there seem to be so many newbies around here seemingly elated at throwing shitbombs at the Dems, and 'the voices' welcome them.

[firedupdem]

28. Yup..right here in Skinner's post

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5524913&mesg_id=5524913

[HughMoran]

12. "You're done, son. If there is any justice, your treachery will see your escorted out in 2012."

"You're done, son. If there is any justice, your treachery will see your escorted out in 2012. I'd even take a Republican, because with a Republican you know who the enemy is, and you know you can fight him, though of course I'd rather a more liberal Democrat. All politicians are liars, but epic liars get diddly fuckin' squat form me.

I voted F, obviously."


1) insults Obama
2) "son" has racist implications
3) "I'd even take a Republican" - whaa??

This is an actual post in GD!!!!!!!!

[firedupdem]

29. I was about to type 'unbelievable'

but I guess it's not. :(

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

31. Has the post been removed by mods?

[Born_A_Truman]

10. It makes me sad too, sister...

I remember the primary wars and there was a light at the end of the tunnel (I thought!) but even on election night my jaw dropped when I came here and saw the negativity. WTF??!!

The question is, why is it being allowed? I don't get it.

[babylonsister]

18. I don't remember ANY negativity on election night on DU, but I sure

wasn't looking for it, either. I was over the moon! :)

[Undercurrent]

15. In the past two days

I've seen two posts by different posters calling Obama a bigot. There is no difference between a DUer calling Obama a bigot, and Glen Beck calling Obama a racist.

"This bigoted man with his discriminatory law, I care not what words he breaths today. "

"I remember when a bigot was a bigot too. He seems to get a pass on that one as well."

(I saved the URLs, full text, and poster's name, but wont break the calling out rule by posting it.)

These post were both in GD-P. I don't visit GD, as it is more generally uglier than GD-P, so I wouldn't be at all surprised if there were additional "bigot" posts there. And of course I haven't read all the posts, I just stumbled upon these two.

I alerted on both posts, yet they remain.

CREEPY!

[babylonsister]

17. Good, save them. I think people in this forum need to really alert

Skinner, et al, to what's going on. This is intolerable in my mind; if it's not in theirs, they need to explain why.

Thanks!

[HughMoran]

24. I've alerted 3 times on one clear violation and another on a call out of ME!

They seem to have dozed off early tonight - doh!

[Avalux]

26. I've seen them too.

And I don't understand why they haven't been removed; criticism is one thing but that is not criticism; it's horrible crazy talk.

[cliffordu]

19. I get the feeling that the mods are taking notes....

And after the bill is signed, the worst of them will get one warning and then, zoom the delivery from the concrete chicklet factory, custom ordered

And the stuff being slung over there is beyond the pale.

[sandnsea]

20. I think the climate bill will be even worse

I think there are a combination of sour grapers and true leftists who don't know any other way to live except attack everything that isn't 100% down the line with their thinking. And the right isn't going to stop, that has been made so sadly clear. The partisanship is worse than ever.

I'm glad Obama is a strong man and has a strong wife and family beside him.

[SeattleGirl]

22. They just don't get it that this country is NOT comprised primarily

of progressives. I do think this country is more to the left than the M$M will admit too, but I don't think the majority of people in this country bleed deep blue. There is a spectrum of beliefs in this country, and there are extremes at both ends. What some folks on this board (not this forum) don't seem to realize is that not everyone thinks as they do, and when they run into that, they go off the rails.

[gardenista]

23. I think DU has become completely skewed.

It is absolutely not a reflection of what is happening "out there".

And, I'd wait until after school is back in session. I think a bunch of freeper frat boys are having a great deal of fun at our expense.

[NYC_SKP]

25. Here:

I'm reading Sanders' press releases, got there from a DKos diary.

Just wondering if you've seen it and have an opinion.

Diary:

45,000,000 get single-payer care =vs.= 3,000,000 P.O. tickets ??? -- Cummon folks.

THIS IS IMPORTANT.

Ted Kennedy's existing CHC program expands along lines developed by Bernie Sanders and Ben Cardin.

The single best thing to happen for America's working poor since food stamps:

-- 14,000 nationwide Community Health Clinics

-- Expand CHC capabilities to match VHA technology

-- 45,000,000 people served

-- $$$$$ to attract 20,000 primary care physicians, nurses, etc.

-- Drugs at VHA prices

-- Dental care

-- Patient billing scaled to income

-- No profit motive. 1/5th the cost of Emergency Room treatment.

Alan Frumin, the Senate Parliamentarian, showed last April that non-budgetary insurance sections would not qualify for reconciliation. Filibusters would doom any Senate P.O.

Care is separated completely from any billing.

Harry Reid concealed Sanders-Cardin till the last hour, then popped it into the Senate HCR Bill.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/12/22/818060/-This-HCR-Bill:-45,000,000-Get-Single-Payer-Vermont-Health-Care

Sanders: http://sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=2F6CC5A1-C9D2-46CA-902E-E3D0EFD94232
and
http://sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=30b2a415-4ade-4367-af7d-4c3306e31b58

:patriot:

[Avalux]

27. I'm sad too.

It's nice to see you here though; nice to have a place away from the attacks. Unfortunately, after 8 years of hell under Bushco, Obama is an easy target.

[DeepModem Mom]

30. For you --

:hug:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=388x7533