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Sky Masterson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 06:28 AM
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Programmer under oath admits computers rig elections
 
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Very interesting!
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 07:19 AM
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1. Argh - I can't see it from work so I'm hoping it says what your subject line says it does
and since I trust you I'm going to k and r. (I'll have to watch it from home.) :hi: :D
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Sky Masterson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 07:29 AM
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3. I copied the title from the youtube video
But it is pretty close to what it says. :hi:
This should be a smoking gun.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 08:22 AM
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8. in today's "liberally biased media"???
don't hold your breath ...
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 09:55 PM
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47. This is 7 years old. It IS a smoking gun. everyone watch it pls.
This is Clint Curtis. an ex republican who ran for congress as a Democrat because he was hired to rig the election in Florida in 2000.
he is not just a programmer. He was a NASA programmer.
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SnakeEyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 04:28 AM
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67. How was he supposed to rig the 2000 election in Florida?
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 08:52 AM
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80. did you watch the video?
Edited on Wed Apr-20-11 08:53 AM by spooked911
He explains how. The testimony I believe was in an investigation into the Ohio anomalies in the 2004 Bush-Kerry race
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 11:19 AM
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84. yes.
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 05:30 PM
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93. I meant to the guy who didn't know how this could be done
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SnakeEyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 12:38 AM
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94. So why isnt anyone up on conspiracy charges?
Ugh
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 11:19 AM
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83. writing a computer code. watch the video.
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SnakeEyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 12:39 AM
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95. Wow.... there outta be conspiracy charges then!
How has this not happened?
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MaeScott Donating Member (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 07:25 AM
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2. K and R. And this should go viral once more. I am sharing the link ...
As much as I can. You should too.

The g no p have worked this election fraud to an art.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 07:43 AM
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4. Kicked for a higher exposure.
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 08:20 AM
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5. hmm...
"It would flip the vote 51-49 to whoever you wanted it to go to, in whatever race you wanted to win."

That explains why I went to bed expecting John Kerry to be our next president, then woke up to find out that we were stuck with Dubyah for another four years.
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eagertolearn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 09:54 AM
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15. I remember that moment so clearly....
Here in the west it looked like Kerry was going to win and at 9pm it switched around completely the other way. I got a sinking feeling that something went terribly wrong and when the exit polls started reporting that they were off I knew. I followed it closely afterwards and have never changed my mind. I thought this info was out in the blogs years ago...why is it just hitting the courts now? Why have we let this slide. We do not have a democracy! Just think where we would be now....better economy, no wars probably health care for all. Very very sad!
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Foolacious Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 11:59 AM
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20. Kerry actually LOST exit poll responses
Do you remember? Nationwide exit polls, plus most notably Ohio and Florida exit polls, reported fewer exit poll responses in Kerry's favour at 1:30am than 4 hours earlier. Which is mathematically impossible.

Nate Silver at 538 hypothesised that the exit poll numbers were radically adjusted to match the so-called "actual" vote. He didn't claim the "actual" vote was invalid, only that he reckoned that, since exit poll numbers are routinely adjusted for various factors, someone decided that the exit polls were wildly erroneous and "fixed" them. But fixing an exit poll by taking away responses from Kerry and assigning well over 100% of the responses received in that 4-hour window to Bush? It's just not credible. Vote rigging is actually the MORE likely scenario.

And do you remember how the polling reports stopped for about half an hour late that night, and when they resumed, the numbers had switched around and the broadcasters all had these bemused, even ashen, looks on their faces as they struggled to explain it? Yet they were reporting only PERCENTAGES of exit poll votes, so such a switch merely seemed extraordinarily unlikely. They didn't show the actual exit poll counts, which would have shown that the switch was mathematically impossible. How I would have loved to see their faces looking at actual tallies... assuming that they could count.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 02:16 PM
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24. I read what a guy said about those exit polls for about 6 months after the 2004 election.
Edited on Tue Apr-19-11 02:18 PM by Major Hogwash
And knew he was right when he said that never before had exit polls been wrong.
Not as wrong as the "official" results suggested they were.
He was a statistician by trade, and he and a whole group of statisticians agreed that the election had to be fixed.

They put up dozens and dozens of posts talking about it, saying that 40 years of experience and history of exit polls were canceled out in just 1 night -- the night they used electronic voting machines to steal the election.

My heart sank, and I knew this country had better pull the plug on those damn electronic voting machines. But, state after state, would start using them. More and more popular they became.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 10:00 PM
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50. They admitted changing the exit poll results to match the election..
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 07:49 AM
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76. What I remember as I sat with Kerry stafferS in Columbus OH that night
Edited on Wed Apr-20-11 07:49 AM by mod mom
was up until 1:30 am the staffer where still saying their "boiler room" was saying KERRY WON ... and I have an elderly neighbor whose was an executive for NBC who said the same. Polls were later changed. On top of that there were many shenanigans, some you can read here (these were separate of vote flipping):

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/mod%20mom/1

and then there were changing the provisional ballots (which overwhelmingly favor Dems):

Did Carville Tip Bush Off to Kerry Strategy (Woodward)


By M.J. Rosenberg | bio




On page 344, Woodward describes the doings at the White House in the early morning hours of Wednesday, the day after the '04 election.

Apparently, Kerry had decided not to concede. There were 250,000 outstanding ballots in Ohio.

So Kerry decides to fight. In fact, he considers going to Ohio to camp out with his voters until there is a recount. This is the last thing the White House needs, especially after Florida 2000.

-snip

"Carville told her he had some inside news. The Kerry campaign was going to challenge the provisional ballots in Ohio -- perhaps up to 250,000 of them. 'I don't agree with it, Carville said. I'm just telling you that's what they're talking about.'

-snip

http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward

NOW WHY, YOU MIGHT ASK, WOULD CARVILLE CAUSE THIS TO HAPPEN? HE ASSUMED AT THE TIME THAT HIS GAL, HILLARY WOULD BE A SHOE IN IN 4 YEARS. IF KERRY/EDWARDS HAD WON THAT COULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED.
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 08:56 AM
Response to Reply #76
82. that may been part of it but surely much of the blame can be placed on Kerry for not challenging
further, etc
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 02:48 PM
Response to Reply #82
89. Kerry knew they won as shown here in his wife's statement:
August 28, 2008
Categories: John Kerry
Teresa: We won in '04

The Observer finds that Teresa Heinz Kerry appears to believe that the results in Ohio in 2004 are illegitimate:

This convention, Ms. Heinz Kerry said, is full of meaning and full of opportunity, and if you, as I, believe, and I know a lot of you do, we did not lose the last election, nor did Al Gore lose his last election. We won it.

While many Democrats remain angry about conflicts over voter registration and the provision of voting machines, in particular, fewer believe that those provided the margin of victory, or that Kerry was robbed of victory the way Democrats think Gore was robbed.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0808/Theresa_We_won_in_04.html

THE CRIME IS THAT NOTHING WAS DONE WHILE THE DEMS HELD THE HOUSE, SENATE & WHITEHOUSE! Connors & the House Judiciary Legal staff stored the evidence, I know this for a fact. Why they didn't act on it is the $64,000 question. I can only guess.
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 08:55 AM
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81. this was a massive topic at DU for a while in 2004-2005
lots of discussion about vote hacking and statistics. Unfortunately, Bush still won and not much has been done to fix the problem, though Rush Holt tried hard to get a better system in place with paper trail legislation-- not sure whatever happened to it.
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 11:35 AM
Response to Reply #20
87. CNN Screenshots from that night....

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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 02:10 PM
Response to Reply #15
23. Me, too.
My heart broke that day.
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 03:25 PM
Response to Reply #15
29. I was an election judge that day.
The county had not yet implemented mail-in ballots & the turn out was incredible! The morning & evening line was so long & yet people were in a great mood - hopeful that the four year nightmare was over.

I got home around 9am. They had just declared PA for Kerry. OH was looking good for Kerry. Then, it just switched. Suddenly they called OH for Bush & I knew we'd been fucked again. I went to bed in tears & called in sick the next day. And I was. I was literally sick with disgust.

And what have the dems done about these blasted machines? Have any of them even raised it as an issue? :grr:
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 10:19 PM
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55. I can ditto what you said. Their was magic in the air standing in line for about an hour and a
Edited on Tue Apr-19-11 10:23 PM by peacetalksforall
half - lines snaking up stairs, down stairs, I studied all the photos on the wall and tried to guess who was going to vote for whom - but I knew the the people in the hallways where I was were going to make Kerry the winner for that precinct. I stayed up and was flipping the tv and you could just tell the lies of those broadcasters - trying to follow talking points. Trying to explain. What a farce. What a theft. What an un-American crime. What contempt they had for us. What arrogance in pulling that off. Evil reigned. That is when I started to feel utter contempt in return - especially for oorporate tv. They gave it to Bush. Orders from their bosses, I assume. I never regained confidence in any of those commentators - Brian Williams - every last one of them - what traitors, their producers, their executive levels up to the top and all their owners and stockholders.
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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 12:19 AM
Response to Reply #55
63. The theft could never occur without a complicit media establishment.
I despise MSM so much, I can't bear to turn it on.
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Just-plain-Kathy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 01:18 AM
Response to Reply #29
65. Our dems have done NOTHING and it sickens me.
K&R
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 05:16 AM
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69. that's the other elephant in the room....
....besides the actual vote rigging itself. why haven't the dems done anything about it?

satisfactory answers to that question are limited.
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 11:34 AM
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86. delete-posted wrong spot
Edited on Wed Apr-20-11 11:35 AM by eowyn_of_rohan
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canoeist52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 08:20 AM
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6. Feeney implicated in vote fraud
Congressman sought to alter totals, testimony in Ohio case says

By Alex Babcock | December 16, 2004

Republican Congressman Tom Feeney of Oviedo asked a computer programmer in September 2000, prior to that year's contested presidential vote in Florida, to write software that could alter vote totals on touch-screen voting machines, the programmer said.

Former computer programmer Clint Curtis made the claim Monday in sworn testimony to Democrats on the House Judiciary Committee investigating allegations of voter fraud in the 2004 presidential election involving touch-screen voting in Ohio.

http://www.seminolechronicle.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2004/12/16/41c2fdb042ea1
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Sky Masterson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 08:25 AM
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9. I didn't realize the video went back that far.
It was uploaded to youtube today
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 08:38 AM
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10. Bump up.
nt
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 08:22 AM
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7. And,
I hope this guy survives. I can imagine Cheney and his ilk mobilizing their minions to silence him even as I type this...
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canoeist52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 08:40 AM
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11. Clint Curtis
In part because of Clints work, election groups across the country have been able to modify laws in 22 states and promote election integrity. Unfortunately, national legislation has not yet been achieved. The results in the recent South Carolina primary prove that vote flipping is still very real threat to our democracy. Votes MUST be verifiable and Clint will continue to work toward that goal.

http://www.clintcurtis.com/about.asp
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JJW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 08:45 AM
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12. Both Gore and Kerry Won
Republicans have been stealing elections since Nixon's time.
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 08:28 PM
Response to Reply #12
43. Yes to all of that.
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HolyCity2012 Donating Member (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 08:47 AM
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13. more info available
I have a blog about this from several years ago but I am unable to access it. If anyone knows how the hell to view blogs on myspace then please tell me. Or if you want to try and find it then please have at it.

http://www.myspace.com/charlestonrickshaw/blog

I am only able to access the blogs to certain point and then it just brick walls me.
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Marthe48 Donating Member (473 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 08:57 AM
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14. Look at your grocery store rect.
On a completely RANDOM visit, the grocery store rect. shows the name brand you bought, the amt, the price, the time, date and clerk's name, and the register spits out coupons and special offers that compliment what you bought. I shop at Kroger's and I also get a readout of how many points I have for their gas discount, and all of the coupon discounts.

If grocery store computers can give each and every customer this kind of detailed information on totally random sales, tell me why the electronic voting machines, with a much more limited choice of items (ie candidates and issues), and a very limited set of options (ie pick no more than 1, yes, no)
give us a paper rect. with the results of my vote???

On top of that, the polls make every election close--how do we know that for sure? And there aren't exit polls any more--when the idiot was put in the WHite House in 2000, the disparity between what people were saying (they voted for Gore) and what the vote was saying (that it was too close to call) made the MSM decided to stop doing exit polls. But exit polls were one of the most reliable sources of the real outcome of the elections. As proponents said, why would anyone lie when they come out of the booth?

I'm so sick of the cheating, the lies, the obvious machinations that are putting dictators and morons in power, so they can steal out past, present and future.
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emcguffie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 11:56 AM
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19. They still do exit polls, but they "fix" them too.

They actually adjust the exit polls to match the recorded vote.

They've been doing that for a very long time. I saw it happen in 2004, in the Kerry - Dubya race. They changed the exit poll in the wee hours of the morning to match the vote which had recently flipped from Kerry to Dubya. It seems to me it was about 1:30 in the morning.

There were people online who had screen shots of the exit poll before and after the "adjustment".

So nowadays apparently all of them are adjusted.

We can't have faith in any election nowadays. There are those who believe, and I am among them, that all the elections are being fixed to a degree, some small percentage, and that when the Dems do win it's because they have won by a larger margin than was stolen. Since such stealing or vote flipping would probably be programmed in beforehand, they would probably opt to try keep it within a margin that people will accept, or to try to determine ahead of time how much they needed to steal, and to steal just enough. And then sometimes they would not steal enough, particularly in races where someone might win by a really large margin, such as Obama, who probably won by a lot more than we think he did.

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canuckledragger Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 10:32 AM
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16. found this on Reddit & created a DU acccount to post it...
...after lurking around DU for a few years because I thought this video was worth having people know about it...but you guys beat me too it! good work!

I follow a lot of American politics even though I'm Canadian because what happens down south (of Canada!) affects us too to a degree (like the Koch brothers buying up our unrefined tar sands oil from the Athabasca Oil Sands in Alberta)

I was always suspicious of how close Bush's elections were...& the whole rigged electronic voting thing has me really nervous after this CBC miniseries was released a few years back, called "the Trojan Horse" a story about a possible future involving a manufactured crisis between our 2 countries & a rigged vote to make the 2 become 1

http://paulgross.org/trojan.htm

small video clip here: http://www.cbc.ca/trojanhorse/
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 06:33 PM
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32. welcome to DU! will watch this tonite -- :)
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 11:32 PM
Response to Reply #16
61. Welcome to DU, canuckledragger!
:hi:
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 08:16 AM
Response to Reply #16
77. Welcome to DU!
Love your screen name and envy your health care system. ;)

Glad you decided to un-lurk! :hi:
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Blue Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 11:35 AM
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17. K&R
Kloppenburg campaigners -- did you hear this?
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 11:48 AM
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18. Very credible.
Edited on Tue Apr-19-11 11:49 AM by bvar22
The REALLY scary aspect of this whole thing is that
The Democratic Party Leadership already knows this.

After the Stolen Election 2000 and the "questionable" Election 2004,
you would think that Election Integrity....
Transparent, Verifiable Elections with Independent Exit Polls...
would be a Front burner, red hot issue with the Democratic Party.

...but only SILENCE from the Party Leadership.
Transparent Verifiable Elections has over 92% support from the American People,
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x446445


an easy WIN/WIN ISSUE....but not a word from our Party Leadership!
Why?
.
.
.
.
I can think of only ONE answer to that question,
and it is not pretty:
Elections are TOO Important to leave up to The People.


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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 03:09 PM
Response to Reply #18
26. Actually, when Debra Bowen was Secretary of State in California
she checked the voting machines and threw out those that she thought could be rigged.

Please note that California elected all Democrats to state offices this year. That is only possible when there is no vote fraud.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 03:21 PM
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27. Small point, but the language IS important.
"Vote Fraud" or "Voter Fraud" is not the problem.

"Election Fraud" or "Unverifiable Elections" is THE problem.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 01:59 PM
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21. interesting. nt
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 02:03 PM
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22. I was there in the front row behind Susan Truitt & Cliff Arnebeck
Why has this video just resurfaced? anyone know?

Anyone remember the Ray Lemme connection?
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Sky Masterson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 03:52 PM
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30. I found it on facebook posted by
The heroic Wisconsin 14
http://www.facebook.com/14Democrats
I thought it was new
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 04:08 PM
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31. Well I'm glad folks new to it are rediscovering it. At the time we thought the D's
that attended (Connors, Waters Nadler) were going to do something about what happened in Ohio. I was so hopeful back then (I closed my business of 17 years to work on the investigation) that all would be exposed. WRONG! We in Ohio & elsewhere are hopeful again that the good people of Wisconsin will not allow this to go unanswered.



Peace!
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KaryninMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 07:18 PM
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34. Kind of refreshing to see this resurface again. Those were some wild days
and we were damn hopeful and determined to change things and restore our democracy. And here we are, still voting on those VERY SAME machines. So maybe this time enough people will pay attention and finally get the message about those rigged machines and learn the story of Wally O'Dell and Clint Curtis and read up on Brad's blog and learn all about it. I for one will be cheering- as will many of us who were relentless and desperately hopeful that someone would pay attention.

I do believe that Andy Stephenson is winking at us all, however.
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 05:44 AM
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70. CLint Curtis...
Edited on Wed Apr-20-11 05:46 AM by eowyn_of_rohan
and Baypoint School, Piotr Blass, the mysterious suicide of Raymond Lemme, etc...still have all this in my notes from 2004. Heady is right
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 07:39 AM
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74. Just forwarded Ray Lemme info to a friend yesterday who sent me this video.
Sent him a photo from the event (John Connors chaired and it had to be held in Columbus city council chambers instead of the Ohio Statehouse because the rethugs wouldn't let the Dem congresspeople use a room). I still don't know why Connors didn't expose once he took hold of the Judiciary Committee but my guess is something to do with how they went after his ex-wife. :mad:
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 11:26 AM
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85. I remember that well
not letting Connors and the committee use the Statehouse. It was such a major let down when Connors let it fade away. They had SO much dirt on these guys. But I think he was shut up - perhaps due to the reason you mention. The pain of going through all that ('00 AND '04) still riles me when I think of it. And I freaking VOWED to myself to do anything (reasonable) I personally could to not ever let this happen in my own state. I figured our citizens would step up better than they did in Ohio, and we have. Problem is there are also too many powerful RWers here... Anyway, made a sign for today's Recount rally at the Capitol, and am leaving for it soon.

Thank you for not giving up.
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 11:37 AM
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88. WOW- you were there...
that's very cool. What an experience, all around.
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 02:40 PM
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25. K & R
So how many "close" elections were there this last time that flipped control in states and in the Country? Lots and lots.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 03:23 PM
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28. When and where was this testimony given.
If it was in Congress in Dec. 2000, then our political contests are simply theatrical because clearly, Congress either did not believe the witness or doesn't care.

I'm beginning to think that elections are rigged anyway and that the candidates who win are selected in advance by the oligarchs who argue amongst themselves.
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babsbunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 06:52 PM
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33. it looks like Ohio
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onethatcares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 07:27 PM
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35. it looks like Florida
and now the state legislature wants to throw up more road blocks to free and fair elections.

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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 10:02 PM
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51. Ohio, in a Congressional hearing not long after the 2004 election.
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KaryninMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 07:46 PM
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36. K&R and there's lots more info where that came from.!
Welcome to what many of us have known and been fighting for since those machines first arrived. I worked with Clint on his campaign for congress. He's a great guy and is the real deal. The evidence is overwhelming that the machines have been rigged since their inception - but operantly thats not enough of a story to hit the mainstream media. Not that we didn't try. Only one mainstream media person took this on- Keith Olbermann and that was the beginning how we all became fans.

There are movies to watch: http://www.votinglies.com/ Murder, Spies and Voting Lies http://www.stealingamericathemovie.org/filmmakers.html Stealing America
http://www.uncountedthemovie.com/ Uncounted


Research to discover http://www.bradblog.com/?page_id=3980, (spend a few hours on Brad Friedman's' blog- you'll be blown away by his investigative research)

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/
http://solarbus.org/election/
http://freepress.org/departments/display/19

Rolling Stone piece by Robert Kennedy Jr http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0601-34.htm

Need more to read or watch? PM me.

Maybe this time we'll finally get rid of those machines. Keep spreading the word. But be ready- protecting our democracy is a huge and very challenging....


Andy Stephenson- I'll bet you are smiling.
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 07:57 PM
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37. Great collection of links. Thanks for posting.
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KaryninMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 08:25 PM
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42. There's so much info out there- it's exciting to see new interest-
Terrifying however, to remember that we are still voting on those same machines, owned and manufactured by corporations with a right wing agenda who refuse to allow access to the source codes (where vote rigging can be detected) to anyone but their employees and programmers. How does that song go? "Maybe this time"...

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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 12:35 AM
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64. And even as that's still out there, the GOP is redoubling their efforts to make voter registration
Edited on Wed Apr-20-11 12:37 AM by Overseas
more and more difficult.

We need a lot of movement on electronic voting while also combating old fashioned obstruction and manipulation engineered by very partisan Republican election officials, like "Whoops, human error" Kathy Nicolaus and Ohio Secretary of State Ken Blackwell. And the dedicated Catherine Harris.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 10:02 PM
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52. I'm smiling. way to go Karyn!
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Sky Masterson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 05:54 AM
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71. Just don't donate or take to heart anything from blackboxvoting.org
I don't trust Bev Harris as far as I can throw her. She is just in this to get paid.

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ArcticFox Donating Member (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 08:16 PM
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38. I never heard of this before
This was when?

This is the kind of information that should start a revolution.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 04:33 PM
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97. It is in the film, Stealing America, Vote by Vote = Stream online FREE
Stealing America, Vote by Vote
http://www.stealingamericathemovie.org/
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 08:19 PM
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39. There is nothing more clear than from long ago our country has been stolen
Edited on Tue Apr-19-11 08:21 PM by ooglymoogly
The evidence has been and is all around us. The facts blatantly come out and the people of this country yawn.

Until they have to yawn in a prison cell for the felony of breathing wrongly, they will not take heed. For every day more and more "crimes" become felonies for the middle and poor classes to feed our fast growing for profit prison populations and to protect corporate profits at all costs. It is long past time to stand up to these thugs.
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vincenzoesq Donating Member (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 08:20 PM
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40. How recent is this video?
How about if we all post it on our social media pages?
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 09:58 PM
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49. 2005. please do!
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colsohlibgal Donating Member (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 08:24 PM
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41. Duh!
We need to go to paper ballots with strict custody control of those ballots and counting in front of witnesses.

I know in my bones that Kerry/Bush and Cleland/Demint were flipped - in fact that half wit Dubya indeed was never truly elected, he in actuality lost in 2000 (after a consortium of newspapers paid to recount all the ballots), he was installed by a Supreme Court Coup.

Computers are just too easy to be tampered with one way or another and there is no real way to audit them.
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abqmufc Donating Member (590 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 08:55 PM
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44. big fucking shock.
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StrictlyRockers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 09:01 PM
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45. I remember this election.
I could not believe it, either. I found it all to be totally incredible, not believable. The election was stolen Diebold made it happen. The truth must be told about this. Our democracy is on shaky ground already. Now we find out that our votes are not even being counted correctly. It is beyond infuriating!!!

GDI! What next? What can be worse? What do we do?

I remember reading a post in DU about how Norway counts all votes by hand in a well-lit room live on public TV where everyone can watch. It's totally doable and they get it all done quickly. There is no need for computers and automation and proprietary software code to get involved in such a crucial process.

We have to change this!

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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 10:23 PM
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56. Norway is probably not the best example
the population is less than 5 million.

Other than that, I agree 100%

What will it take till we take to the streets?
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OhioDoink Donating Member (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 09:21 PM
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46. Well there we have it,I'm sure that our leaders will get to the bottom of this.
:sarcasm:
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 09:58 PM
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48. The day he gave this testimony was exactly the same day the republicans started screaming about
the woman who wanted the right to die. All the media in the country was debating whether the federal government should intervene to "save" her life. very convenient. there was no covergae of this Congressional hearing in Ohio.
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laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 10:05 PM
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53. K&R!
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vroomvroom Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 10:09 PM
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54. Any 1st Year Software Enginner can tell you it is a BAD IDEA to have Electronic elections
Edited on Tue Apr-19-11 10:10 PM by vroomvroom
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 10:30 PM
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57. yep. heres a lil election 2000 fraud fun too!
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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 10:36 PM
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58. Do we have the power to prosecute those guilty?
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 11:08 PM
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59. "Give me a cell phone and a laptop and whoever I want will win"
This is what my brother, who does high tech stuff for the Defense Department (under contract, in case
any right wing trolls think they can get him discharged), told me in 2002, when Saxby Chambliss "defeated"
Max Cleland for his Senate seat in Georgia, and other races decided by electronic voting machines turned
out to be "unexpected upsets," ALL in favor of the Republican candidate.

He said that any of the ESS or Diebold machines could be pre-programmed and/or hacked by someone who knew
what they were doing.
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markmyword Donating Member (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 11:10 PM
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60. THEY KNEW
You mean to say, that Congress(this committee) KNEW about this
years ago and DIDN'T PROSECUTE or have a RECOUNT of votes, or
call news conferences to get some, any publicity?

This whole committee of Representatives should be held
accountable, if they did NOTHING to try and stop election
fraud. How many more elections have been stolen across the
country?

Could the Republicans knowing that there could have been a
voting scandal, hijacked the news media with the Terry Schiavo
story? A story that went on and on for months. 
 
This video should be posted all over the internet, as this
story is very relevant today.I hope the unions pay for this to
go on T.V.

Think Wisconsin and the Supreme Court Judge Prosser, who just
happens to have over 7,000 votes appear from nowhere.

I would DEMAND that EVERY ELECTION in Wisconsin this Nov. be
recounted, INCLUDING GOVERNOR SCOTT WALKER.

Ditto goes for Michigan, Ohio and any other state with
Republican Governors. 
There's an ORGANIZED  agenda with ALL these Republican
Governors and I'd want to know what voting machines where
used, who made them, who ran them (Karl Rove seems a very
likely person behind election fraud).

Governor Don Siegleman from Alabama, went to bed thinking he
won, and woke up to find out there were votes missing that
just happened to go to his Republican opponent(this was a Rove
operation). In Alabama, election judges were threatened by a
sheriff that they'd go to arrested, if they tried to recount
the votes. 
So much for Democracy in America.

 
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usafvet65 Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 11:48 PM
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62. This is EXACTLY why Kloppenburg in Wisconsin needs to DEMAND
a complete state wide recount in the Wisconsin Supreme Court election. Lets not let Wisconsin be the 2011 stolen election.
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999998th word Donating Member (555 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 04:14 AM
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66. I commend the guy for speaking up.
Unfortunately I'm afraid the Kloppenburg election was done before it started.I worked hard too

I knew they would play with the votes.Thats been their game for years-hold back results for key

R strongholds.What I didnt know,was walkershit county would get away with pulling this crap

OVER+OVER and NO censure of any kind. Even if they did get the computers-it was already too late.

She didnt make a boo boo oopsy! her computer skills are -as a former coworker said

"she could make a computer sing".

Wonder how offshore banks work-really

:sarcasm:
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 04:52 AM
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68. More than anything else
we need to remember.

We need to remember that the GOP didn't steal the 2000 and 2004 elections because they had good intentions in mind. You are living the results of those elections right now.

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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 07:04 AM
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72. kick!
and hope you're doing well...
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Sky Masterson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 07:29 AM
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73. I am good.
:) Thank you for asking. I hope that life is being nice to you.
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 07:46 AM
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75. knr nt
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SugarShack Donating Member (979 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 08:30 AM
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78. Go Clint !!! Please run again in Florida!!!!!
You only need 2000 sigs from anywhere in the state to avoid the ballot fee. These are the rules during a "redistricting" year...as you will not know your bounderies to collect the sigs.

So....DO IT! RUN CLINT RUN!!!
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KaryninMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 02:53 PM
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90. Clint is in California now- and he did run for Congress there.
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SugarShack Donating Member (979 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 05:11 PM
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98. Hi karyn...yes..i know...i phone banked for him from fla
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 08:43 AM
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79. Depressing and not surprising. Our poor "democracy." n/t
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KaryninMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 02:57 PM
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91. Kicking this up again - because it deserves as much attention as possible.
Love seeing new people discover the truth about our elections. And yes- I still haven't lost faith that one day we will have verifiable voting laws that protect all citizens and guarantee that our votes will be counted in the way we have intended. I'm disgusted of course, that we are STILL VOTING ON THOSE MACHINES however... Maybe one day, democracy will be restored. So the more people who learn the truth and become engaged, the better.
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liam_laddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 03:37 PM
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92. K&R entire thread n/t
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 04:31 PM
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96. The first questioner seems to be engaging in a cover-up of Ohio vote rigging.
The first questioner seems to be engaging in a cover-up of Ohio vote rigging.
Rep. Nadler did a good job of redirecting the questioning.

Ohio 2004 was NOT an electronic voting election, it was primarily a punch card election
(punch card voting = 72.4% of the 2004 vote) and the vote-shift in punch card voting has been demonstrated.

The 2004 Ohio Presidential Election: Cuyahoga County Analysis
How Kerry Votes Were Switched To Bush Votes
http://jqjacobs.net/politics/ohio.html

The OP is blatantly false, and arguably also engaged in obfuscation of the true facts.

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SugarShack Donating Member (979 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 12:03 PM
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99. Just sent this video to the League of Women's Voters Preznit of FLA, who had an oped today
In the St. Pete Times. They only ever..address legislation that disenfranchises voters...

In 2012, they will say these "new draconian voting laws" put forth in Fla, is why dems lost the election. IT WILL REALLY BE THE MAHCINES. Every election, they have a different excuse for a loss, while they flip the vote. So I sent this video to the league prez, because im tired of the only areas they play around in...the safe ones. For that...they get to "Host" debates, etc.

I hope she shares this video with the rest at their next meeting.
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