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maynard32 Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-10 01:53 PM
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Cenk Ugur on RT: Israel can murder US citizens and US Govt will turn a blind eye
Edited on Fri Jun-04-10 02:05 PM by maynard32
 
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Posted on DU: June 04, 2010
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Imagine if it was you or one of your family members that was killed. Would you expect your government to stand up for what is right or side with what is wrong.

Many are criticizing the U.S. for being on the wrong side, including Turkey, who in the past played a very important strategic role, as friend to the U.S. in the Muslim World. Alyna talks to Cenk Uygur of the Young Turks to asks him what he thinks of the U.S. response. Are they being wishy washy, or clearly taking Israel's side?
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-10 02:19 PM
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1. LOL!
In our modern politcal system dominated by corporate interests and very well funded special interests, this kid's family has no prayer of ANY justice. Until and unless this kid's family can fund a media blitz in every Senator's district as AIPAC can, he is the invisible man. More likely, he will be deemed terrorist sympathizer by our media and consigned to last week's trash heap. Besides, that Van Der Sloop guy killed another girl and the media is planning another orgy of irrelevance to sell diapers and boner pills.
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theFrankFactor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-10 09:42 AM
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27. +1
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deuce1 Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-10 10:57 AM
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29. Where are the
supporters of the poor down-trodden Iraeeeli's that find a home here? An American executed on the deck? Good thing Iran didn't do that.
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-10 02:35 PM
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2. We demands Justice!
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-10 02:53 PM
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3. Check out Cenk's brand new blog on this topic
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-10 04:09 PM
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8. Hot damn! Thanks for posting that! I encourage people to check that out!
:thumbsup:

PB
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-10 05:07 PM
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11. Ouch, this quote is particularly important:
So, I'd like to ask the Obama administration - which one is it? Was his life more expendable because he was a) Turkish-American b) Muslim-American c) lived outside the country for awhile or d) because Israel killed him rather than another country?


As a US citizen who travels internationally quite often, I'd also like to know the answer.
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sulphurdunn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-10 06:16 PM
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15. The US Embassy
will not actually lean on a foreign government in defense of a common American citizen, however, it will go through the motions, unless the country is Israel, then it won't even bother to do that.
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-10 03:07 PM
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4. The Obama Administration was supposed to be all about the american people.
Now it's all about Israel. This is after they made a fool out of him at a press conference. Netanyahu is the guy that couldn't do nothing. That's all Obama asked of him. Do nothing. Quit building in the west bank. Now look at all the hoops Netanyahu has Obama jumping through as he's also trying to deal with a crisis in the Gulf. Hillary need to send Obama an easy button. Every time he pushes it a voice says, Fuck you Nutiyahoo!
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paulkienitz Donating Member (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-10 03:16 PM
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5. what is RT? Is it Russian? (nt)
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maynard32 Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-10 03:17 PM
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6. Russia Today. Some people call them propagandist, I think, they are better than ALL US stations
combined.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-10 04:53 PM
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10. Well, it is not like it takes that much to better most US mass media and their "reporting""
Journalism in the US is an extinct profession, they are PR spokespeople now.

In any case, RT is still not that good of a source. Better than most US stations, but as I said... not that is any achievement whatsoever.
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maynard32 Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-10 06:17 PM
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16. I agree with you on that.
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Fox_Hunter Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-10 12:27 AM
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22. You're right.
And that's sad!
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dbmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-10 12:25 PM
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31. Hardly
They are covering US politics like Faux News would cover Russian politics. There is nothing surprising or commendable about them taking a critical angle on anything that, deservedly or not, puts the US in a bad light.

In terms of internal Russian affairs they are as bad as Fox. Complete propaganda machine.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-10 04:01 PM
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7. Cenk for the win, as always. I really like his analysis and TYT. n/t
PB
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-10 04:43 PM
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9. kick and recommend!!
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-10 05:17 PM
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12. If it was a member of my family, I would have told them before
they left that getting on a ship that intended to break the legal and recognized blockade of the Gaza Strip was a big risk and that my loved one might not return.

I think the U.S. is on the right side on this. I do not like the violence, but I understand the reason for the blockade. The Palestinians had a choice. They could permit the Egyptians to search their cargo or permit the Israelis to search their cargo. Israel is not being unreasonable with its blockade.

I remember a time when the borders between Israel and Palestine were more open and the Palestinians could go into Israel and work. That changed after the Palestinians used car bombs in Israel. You may have forgotten the Israeli bombs that blew up Israeli children, civilians without discrimination.

It is time for a two-state solution. Other grievances and issues can be negotiated within the context of negotiations about establishing two states. It is time to negotiate in good faith. The Palestinians must indicate readiness to recognize the existence of Israel. That is the first step. There can be no negotiations unless that recognition can be the ultimate result. Is Palestine correct to demand certain things in exchange for recognizing Israel? Yes. But Palestine must agree that it will recognize the State of Israel if its reasonable demands are met. In addition, Palestine must prove that it can end the violence against Israel by its people. Once that is proved, the Israelis will be able to end their defensive stance.
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booley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-10 05:38 PM
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13. sorry but you are making some assumptions.
First, that activism cant' be dangerous. By that token civil rights workers should have stayed home since they risked being beat up and murdered.

Just because an action is dangerous does not mean it's wrong.

Second, you assume that Israel and Egypt are fair and are only going to block weapons. But among the items considered contraband are spices and cattle.
There is no master list to go by however. And there is rarely any apparent logic. Feed for farm animals can be imported. But not actual farm animals.

IF the UN or a neutral country like Sweden was doing the inspections that would be one thing. But that's not what's happening.

Third, palestinian workers were barred not because of car bombs but because of an influx of Russian workers. It was an economic decision, at least in part. Russian immigrants needed jobs and were were willing to work cheap and keep the money in Israel. So Palestinians go shoved out of the only work they could find, increasing the poverty and ironically the terrorism.

Which brings me to my last point. A two state solution is meaningless if it's built around the idea of Israel's supremacy and Palestine's dependency. It will just be another client state where one side takes at the other's expense while the weaker thrashes around like a dying animal in a trap. In other words, the situation we have now.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-10 12:15 PM
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30. True, activism can be dangerous. If you choose to get arrested,
you choose to get arrested. The problem with the people on the ships is that, it is reported by neutral observers as I understand it, the activists violently resisted the Israeli police officers. You can protest non-violently, but if you start beating soldiers with sticks, you cannot complain when they shoot back. That is their job.

People have the right to protest -- but if they protest violently, they will get a violent response. They know that. The protesters are trying to make themselves into victims. I do not feel soorry for them.
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maynard32 Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-10 08:05 PM
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17. I was thinking that the legality of blockade was in question and the US was the only country
supporting Israel on the issue. The UN and the European nations were putting pressure on Israel to lift it.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-10 08:16 PM
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ejbr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-10 06:05 PM
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14. k & r n/t
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scentopine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-10 11:04 PM
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19. Centrists don't want to upset Israel. Centrists never get angry and
they never get even. Like evangelicals, they take comfort in their faith that the free market will solve these difficult problems.

When governments conspire to kill innocent people as we continue to do in Iraq and Afghanistan, it's called making the world safe for free markets.

By anyone else it is called terrorism.
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theFrankFactor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-10 09:43 AM
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28. +1
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WileEcoyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-10 11:37 PM
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20. Israel has a strong lock on American politicians
However it's ownership of the U.S. isn't nearly so bad as the lock Halliburton, Exxon or even BP has shown.

Best to let this one just blow over. Israel is not an enemy to the people of the U.S. or even good Liberals. But keep bashing Israel and watch how this devalues the Democratic Party goals.

And continue bashing Israel at the risk of full scale war in the region. It is far cheaper to appease the Israelis than the Palestinians. Not a pretty picture but that is the reality.

A bad wife, but a lot cheaper to keep her.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-10 11:49 PM
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21. at the cost of poisoning America's relationships with a very large and vitally important portion
of the world. Whether one thinks it is fair or not, the entire Arab and Islamic world - more than 1.3 billion people - puts a lot of emotional and religious value into the area that comprises most of Israel and the Palestinian territories. That is what they fought the crusades over almost a thousand years ago.

Of course the 22 countries of the Arab League and the 57 countries of the Organization of The Islamic Conference now recognizes that it is a good idea and mutually beneficial to comes to terms with Israel and negotiate a peace based on the international consensus for a two-state solution. That is why they have endorsed a peace proposal supporting the two-state solution leading to establishing full diplomatic relations.

But as long as America is perceived as continually siding with Israel - something which is obviously compounded by the amount of primarily military aid which the U.S. government, not anti-Israeli propagandist, claims to be a larger than that provided any other country (with the exception currently of Iraq) - ill will toward America will be further facilitated and relationships that are in America's vital national interest will be further strained and further complicated while more misunderstandings contribute in no small way to watering the seed bed of of extremism.

During a certain stage of the cold war, staunch American support for Israel fit in well with cold war ideology. The 1967 devastating military defeat of the center of Pan-Arab nationalism that was lead by a prominent ally of the Soviet Union was no doubt hailed by cold warriors throughout the West as a proxy victory over the Soviet Union, the weakening of Soviet influence in the Middle East and the strengthening of American-backed Western power in the region.

Israeli arm sales to Latin American militarys and Israel's military alliance with the apartheid Republic of South African during the cold war also served as means where the United States could see that its allies against Soviet influence were well armed while reducing domestic and international scrutiny and criticism. Israel even played a key role in insuring that the Mujahideen in Afghanistan were well armed in their fight against Soviet occupation.

However, at this point and time with Soviet influence and power as a thing of the past - it is hard for me to see where America being seen as Israel's best friend does anything but complicate matters. Current foreign policy doctrine views the security of the Persian Gulf and steady flow of oil to the United States and elsewhere as the gravest security matter that faces potential threats. This is hardly a secret.

American politicians of both parties will talk about ending dependency on Middle Eastern oil. But anyone with even the most cursory understanding of the realities, all know perfectly well that this talk of ending dependency on Middle Eastern oil is nothing but electioneering rubbish that no knowledgeable person seriously believes. Modern economy is absolutely oil dependent at every level. It will take a lot more than running a small handful of cars on alternative fuels and tax credits for putting in solar panels to end dependency on Middle Eastern oil. Even if there was Green Party style ecological revolution in the Western World, the need for oil is so great and the demand comes from so many sources - it is ludicrous to imagine that even this would end dependency on Middle Eastern oil to anyone at all living in the world of reality and thinking about it. And it is fair to say that no matter who wins what elections in the United States and in the rest of the world - this dependency will not significantly reduce and will most likely only increase. If the supply of Middle Eastern oil was to be seriously disrupted for a prolonged period of time, the American and the world economies would be deeply imperiled and would almost certainly face collapse.

There is simply no question that strident support for Israel by the United States is a major contributing factor that elicits the appeal of anti-Western political movements that would threaten and compromise the supply of oil to a very oil-dependent America and world. Military power has simply no possibility whatsoever of reducing the resentment and anger elicited by the Israeli/Palestinian conflict among the word's 1.3 billion Muslims and Arab people who comprise the majorities in 57 countries and significant minorities in many, many more. Of course the U.S. has plenty of other problems in dealing with the Arab/Islamic world. But this is a very big one; not the only one - but a very, very big one.

Given that the facts of the situation is so obvious, in my humble opinion, America's almost blind support for Israel is primarily a combination of outdated cold war ideology and the influence of a militant and ruthless domestic political lobby that is not only pro-Israel, but pro-right wing Israeli. No member of Congress or candidate for the U.S. Congress of either party fears any significant political consequences for publicly and vociferously condemning Saudi Arabia. Conversely, most in fact all but a few members of Congress and candidates for Congress feel hesitant about even fairly mild public criticism of Israel. Even when they do, they inevitably open with a phrase something like this; "First of all, I am a friend of Israel." Even though in real concrete terms Saudi Arabia's security is far more important to America's national interest, I have yet to hear any member of Congress or candidate for Congress open with the phrase, "First of all, I am a friend of Saudi Arabia."

There are those who would say America's interest with Israel is rooted in shared values of democracy and human rights. Well clearly, Israel's treatment of the Palestinians make those words ring rather hollow, to say the least - especially in the region. As Phil Weiss once put it, "When I was young, Israel was proclaimed as 'A light unto the nations' - now it is is, 'well we're better than Syria'.

Let me say though, this strident support is not unlimited. If it were the case, Iran would have probably already been bombed and Jonathan Pollard would have been freed a long time ago.

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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-10 07:09 AM
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25. Israel is dependent on the U.S.........
why does the U.S. always act like Israel's "bitch"?

I'll never understand why.
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-10 02:38 AM
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23. " Israel can murder US citizens and US Govt will turn a blind eye....."
Sure they can and have in the past... "USS Liberty" 1967
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BlueMTexpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-10 06:43 AM
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24. And Rachel Corrie ... nt
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waronbanks Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-10 07:23 AM
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26. The Israeli government is out of control
They do what they want, when they want. International law is nothing to them. The UN means nothing. They are rogue and the sooner America stops suckin up to them and tries to reel them in the better. Say before they attack Iran? Some crazy motherfuckers right there.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 02:33 PM
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32. Kick nt/
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