Israeli Navy Soldier Describes the Violent Mob Aboard Mavi Marmara

[Ian David]

Run time: 01:54 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9p5QT91QYs   Posted on YouTube: May 31, 2010 By YouTube Member: idfnadesk Views on YouTube: 1   Posted on DU: June 01, 2010 By DU Member: Ian David Views on DU: 1525

 

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[ChairmanAgnostic]

3. Israel is paying its propaganda force overtime to cover up their crime

Israel is a terrorist state as of now. We should treat it as such.

[Mari333]

12. we are a terrorist state, how credible would our outrage be? not much.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

17. a very good point, one to be studiously ignored by MSM.

[MannyGoldstein]

2. So They Descended From The Skies, Weapons In Hand

in international waters... just to have a reasonable discussion where logic would be used to convince the flotilla to abandon their efforts.

Sure.

[Ian David]

4. International law says they had the right to board these ships in international waters

San Remo Manual on International Law Applicable to Armed Conflicts at Sea, 12 June 1994

<snip>

SECTION V : NEUTRAL MERCHANT VESSELS AND CIVIL AIRCRAFT

Neutral merchant vessels

67. Merchant vessels flying the flag of neutral States may not be attacked unless they:

(a) are believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband or breaching a blockade, and after prior warning they intentionally and clearly refuse to stop, or intentionally and clearly resist visit, search or capture;
(b) engage in belligerent acts on behalf of the enemy;
(c) act as auxiliaries to the enemy s armed forces;
(d) are incorporated into or assist the enemy s intelligence system;
(e) sail under convoy of enemy warships or military aircraft; or
(f) otherwise make an effective contribution to the enemy s military action, e.g., by carrying military materials, and it is not feasible for the attacking forces to first place passengers and crew in a place of safety. Unless circumstances do not permit, they are to be given a warning, so that they can re-route, off-load, or take other precautions.

More:
http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/385ec082b509e76c41256739003e636d/7694fe2016f347e1c125641f002d49ce

[Better Believe It]

6. International law and simple human rights says .....

The right-wing Israeli extremists could have allowed the ships into board and than inspected the wheel chairs, medicine and all other aid leaving the boats to make sure they were not weapons.

But, they clearly couldn't do that. Such a policy might have led to military related food being delivered the next time.

After all, without food people will starve and can't use weapons!

[MannyGoldstein]

7. So You'd Be OK If Israel Had Blown The Ships To Smithereens?

I don't think you would, even though it would be "legal" according to the statute you cite.

The ships were not an imminent threat, it clearly did not have heavy weapons - all kinds of other things could have been done. Shame on the Israelis.

[Cicada]

8. Israeli blockade illegal

102. The declaration or establishment of a blockade is prohibited if:

(a) it has the sole purpose of starving the civilian population or denying it other objects essential for its survival; or
(b) the damage to the civilian population is, or may be expected to be, excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated from the blockade.


obviously b applies

[shirlden]

9. Merchant vessels

This citation applies to "merchant vessels". These were clearly not merchant but aid vessels. Does this make a difference? I would have to think that it does. The maritime legal eagles need to sound off on this.
My life long sympathy for the state of Israel is eroding. This just may be my camel back breaking straw.



My heart is in New Orleans. Bless you folks!!

[olegramps]

10. This is under the provisions of "Armed Conflicts at Sea" between waring nations.

[provis99]

26. your citation applies only in wartime conditions

hence, it is not applicable in this situation, and the Israelis had no right to board the ship. Would you also think the Israelis had the right to board an American ship 100 miles off the coast of North Carolina using the same justification?

[WeDidIt]

28. International law does not protect an illegal blockade

so your defense crumbles.

[Better Believe It]

5. So civilians were brutally attacking peaceful sailors who were bringing them milk and cookies.

OK

I'll buy that.

[liquid diamond]

13. Which side committed assault first?

Merely boarding a ship does not justify using clubs and knives.

[chrisa]

14. The IDF was actually firing before they boarded the ship.

[greiner3]

16. " Merely boarding a ship does not justify using clubs and knives. "

So the word 'pirates' has not entered your vocabulary?

[proReality]

19. Read post #18

Looks like the Israelis fired on the ship before they boarded it.

[liquid diamond]

21. If that is true, then the passengers were entitled to fight back. n/t

[Douglas Carpenter]

25. lol

yeah that about says it all...if the whole thing did no involve such tragic loss of life...the propaganda spin would actually be kind of funny

[liquid diamond]

11. If the "peace activists" STARTED the violence, I could see a reason for self-defense.

I can't wait for the results of the investigation.

[truth2power]

15. I am just appalled. Talk about chutzpa!!!...

If someone rapelled from a helicopter into my home (or wherever I happened to be currently residing) in the middle of the night, I'd beat the living shit out of them, to the extent I was able.

There are not words for the level of arrogance in this narrative. Pffft!! :puke:

The Israelis need to get a better PR organization.

[knixphan]

22. That is the quote of the week. I may have to steal that.

[truth2power]

24. By all means!

:)

[proReality]

18. After seeing the raw footage on this video...

I can understand why some were fighting back. I would have too!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pn-l_JltCB4 The reporters switch back and forth, so wait for the English version.

[deuce1]

20. Hey soldier

Did you think they were going to welcome you? Attacked from air the by Isreal?

[howard112211]

23. Israel has effectively declared war on NATO.

[Raineyb]

27. Didn't take long for the apologists to put out their edited propaganda.

:thumbsdown:

Israel has no fucking excuse for what they did. None whatsoever.