Jim Webb rips into Lindsey Graham

[ariesgem]

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[Wetzelbill]

1. I couldn't believe how testy this got

they were riled up. Webb was outclassing Lindsey pretty badly. All Lindsey could do was keep repeating "Al-Qaeda" over and over and over.

[WileEcoyote]

45. Another case of improper moderation on Tim Russert's part

Laptop Russert lets Graham interrupt too much and didn't allow Webb enough rebuttal time. About a 2;1 ratio.

[Lasher]

54. Graham is always real bad to filibuster

He just keeps stringing lies together, one after another: "The earth is flat, and then you have the situation in Iraq where we're winning, and that's kinda like the witches we need to burn at the stake, and I'd just like to say blah blah blah blah.

Russet never does anything to control him. No wonder he's Rove's go-to guy.

[WileEcoyote]

62. Tim Russert is Rove's "go to" boy...

[wordpix]

60. Gomer Graham Pyle got what he deserved. Thank you, Jim Webb!

[TwilightGardener]

2. Lady Lindsey knows that his only strength is to yammer on with an endless

stream-of-consciousness rant about the glories of the Surge and General Petraeus. What he lacks in quality of argument, he more than makes up for in both quantity and sheer forcefulness of delivery, which stonewalls a less-aggressive, more thoughtful opponent like Webb. It was kind of hard to watch--poor Webb could barely get a word in edgewise, and looked frustrated.

[NJCher]

30. I didn't get that

I just saw Graham keep repeating his argument, which reminded me of a "neener neener neener" type response. It made Graham look like the less serious participant.



Cher

[loveable liberal]

3. These shows are stupid. There was no discussion.

Graham is a 28 percenter who will get waxed in 2008 unless chimpy cancels the election.

[bluestateguy]

4. Maybe Lindsey Graham's illegal immigrant "guest workers" can go to Iraq

as their path to citizenship.

Is there any senator whose head is father up the ass of this White House?

[blondeatlast]

12. Mine--John McCain and Jon Kyl. nt

[0007]

58. The worse of the worse....and they love 'Jesus Petraeus Christ'

:hi:

[wordpix]

61. "General Petraeus will decide in September"---WTF? Is he commander in chief?

No, we have someone worse, the AWOL chimperor.

[George II]

5. Graham just wouldn't shut up!

I'm sure Webb was a bit riled and taken off guard by Graham's obnoxiousness. Two things I can't believe about this "discussion":

1. Why did Russert let Graham go on and on and on and repeatedly interrupt Webb?
2. When Graham asked over and over again "Have you been to Iraq?", why didn't Webb simply say "no, but my SON is there FIGHTING for you!"

Graham was a total dick in this discussion.

[roguevalley]

16. russert is a tool. that's why.

[defendandprotect]

27. And notice, Graham is after IRAN . . . they all are after IRAN . . .

And Pelosi removed the "warning to Bush re Iran" from legislation -- !!!!

Evidently, Cheney is pushing for an attack on Iran --

It would be easy to LIE us into another war --

Gulf of Tonkin-like . . .

whatever . . . WMD . . .

mushroom clouds!!!!

Stay awake, folks -- !!!

[Cant trust em]

34. After being interrupted they should just walk off

I would like to see Jim Webb stand up, take off his mike and look at the camera and explain that these shows aren't even worth coming on if he's not going to be allowed time to speak. If he's going to be constantly interrupted then he should at least make that his point.

[George II]

38. I just saw the actual replay on MSNBC, and the entire "debate"

I have to change my opinion - Webb KICKED Graham's ass!

Out of curiosity, I went to Lindsey Lohan's (ooops) GRAHAM's official website. Here is HIS summary of his "military service" to America:

Graham logged six-and-a-half years of service on active duty as an Air Force lawyer.

From 1984-1988, he was assigned overseas and served at Rhein Mein Air Force Base in Germany. Upon leaving the active duty Air Force in 1989, Graham joined the South Carolina Air National Guard where he served until his election to the U.S. House of Representatives in 1994.

During the first Gulf War, Graham was called to active duty and served state-side at McEntire Air National Guard Base as Staff Judge Advocate where he prepared members for deployment to the Gulf region. His duties included briefing pilots on the law of armed conflict, preparing legal documents for deploying troops, and providing legal services for family members of the South Carolina Air National Guard. He received a commendation medal for his service at McEntire.

I'd pit Webb's service to his country AND his son's service (who served IN Iraq!) against Lindsey's anytime.

[Wesin04]

52. Webb hasn't been to Iraq

Likely, because his son was there. He refused to discuss this during his campaign because it only put his son in the spotlight and made him more a target. That was the totally responsible thing to do for his son and their company. Besides, what the eff can you see from the Green Zone with a batallion of soldiers surrounding you for protection? I just don't get why these critters go to begin with! After all, Webb has been in the fight-from Vietnam, to covering Beirut and Afghanistan as a journalist. Graham was a stateside attorney during the Gulf War. Jim Webb doesn't need to fly into Baghdad to know the effect of no rest on the soldiers.

[0007]

59. ....you my friend hit the nail on the head. Welcome to DU ..

Hope you like it here.

[plasticsundance]

55. Indeed

The look on Graham's face after his ordeal made it apparent he had just gotten his ass kicked. He was exposed as a tool, and he knew it.

[19jet54]

57. Marine vs Air Force

A Marine (Webb) wants to do the right thing now, personally.

A Zoomie (Graham cracker) wants somebody else to do it from afar - everybody except for the pilots stay home with the women & children.

No contest!

[butterfly77]

66. I agree!

I took a look at it again and I liked the way he looked him straight in the eyes and told him what he thought, I almost fell out of my chair laughing at the way he pat lindsey on his back. That knocked lindsay off of his guard he then began squwaking like a girl, "Al Qaeda! Al Qaeda!..

[State the Obvious]

6. Just like Bush, Graham does NOT like his talking points questioned.

Senator Graham was given way too much time to repeat the talking points that he was given.....and Russert gave him all the time he needed. But.....

Senator Webb was NOT going to allow Graham to get away with it. When a Republican KNOWS he is in trouble of having his talking points logically argued by his opponent.....the Republican will talk simultaneously OVER his opponents comments, and IF that doesn't work, the Republican will continue to talk over the Democrat and also get LOUDER and LOUDER. Graham knew he was going to lose ground so he (as all Republicans) knows that he is REQUIRED to drown out the Democrat's comments so he cannot be heard.

Did you notice how Russert allowed it to continue.....he seemed to want to make it difficult for Webb to make his point.

The Democrat should say (what Republicans say all the time), "excuse me....it's my turn to talk"....and then WAIT for the Republican to calm down. (Demand the rude, ill-mannered child stop his tantrum.)

(Democrats have to be the "parents".

[butterfly77]

67. You are correct about how Bush doesn't like his talking points ...

questioned and I have been waiting for the MSM to hit him on these points in News conferences and on a person to person interview. I get so irritated when he has these news conferences and the media never come straight at him like Helen does.

They need to come at him just like they do Tony Snow, but they always back down I do not remember a time when any president was given a break I use to love to watch Reagan going against Sam Donaldson. Once bush is irritated and he begins with " Let me finish!" " Let me finish!" this is when they all should hit him with every question possible and maybe then his followers will begin to see the real Bush...

[ooglymoogly]

7. loudmouth idot Lindsy Grayam and the GOP motto is

He who speaks garbage and propaganda the loudest gets to war in perpetuity, lining all pug crony pockets in perpetuity

[Venus Dog]

8. I wonder if Mizz Lindsey was wearing her Depends

:popcorn:

[George II]

23. He did look/act a little strange

[Divine Discontent]

50. do elaborate further, please? n/t

[stevedeshazer]

9. Huckleberry Graham is a fucking idiot

He's like a Chatty Cathy doll -- just pull the string and all these Bush Crime Family talking points come out.

What a fool. This chickenhawk babbles away while Jim Webb, who knows a thing or two about war, gets short-sheeted by Russert and still manages to make Lil' Lindsey look like the spoiled toady he truly is.

[Warren DeMontague]

10. So, wait a minute. If -- according to Graham-everything they did until the "Surge" was totally inept

and now the "Surge"- which was only put in place after the GOP lost the 2006 election, which Bush only did grudgingly because he had to do something (he, after all, kept saying the old, "pre-surge" strategy was "working", too) ... so why was everything in this war run so ineptly while the GOP controlled BOTH the Congress and the White House?

NOW We're supposed to "let it work", because "finally" they know what to do over there? What the fuck were they doing from 2003-2006, when they were telling us it was "working" then, too?

Jesus, these people are full of shit. Fuck Lindsey Graham.

[livingonearth]

40. Their inability to learn

from their past mistakes is dangerous to our nation and the world. These people just never see their own contradictions.

[liberal N proud]

11. Sounded like a pissing match every time Webb spoke

Which is what it does every time anyone trys to debate a repuke.

Easiest way to know you are talking to a republican in any conversation, political or not, is to watch for the interruptions while you or anyone else is speaking and they don't agree.

[Bucky]

13. "Excuse me, friend" (pats Graham on back)

Classic primate dominance move. Then while he finishes his points, Graham is left muttering under his breath like a little kid.

[Bucky]

14. On full view, I wish Russert would control his own show. Talking over each other is childish

The two of them talking over each other also doesn't allow either one to make a complete point. It's not a real conversation because no one gets to fully answer the other person's point. This ultimate hurts the more logical side of the argument because two grown men bickering at each other will only serve to harden the positions of people who watch. Few people will be able to understand the convincing points Webb makes (the surge is not "two weeks old"; the troops are as divided on the war as the rest of us; the "visits" to Iraq that Graham made are gussied up pony shows and not real assessments of facts on the ground; and the benchmarks are not being met).

It's in the neocons' interest to shut down the flow of information to the public. By being too much of a pussy to stop the bickering, Russert is aiding the proponents of the occupation--and thereby aiding al-Qaeda (thought I'd throw that last one in for good measure).

[defendandprotect]

26. But that's the point of these shows . . . to make it look like this is the way

that debate is done and should be done -- !!!

Of course, it 's not --

Many people know nothing other than this kind of nonsense which they've seen here and on CNN with Buchanan for years, sponsored by GE.

All of the Sunday talk shows are nonsense -- always have been.

Simply a way to "keep the lid on things" and keep the pot from spilling over --
spinning and distorting issues.

[Elspeth]

15. Webb is a statesman and he has a hard time mudwrestling with Lindsay.

This is why serious thought doesn't have a change in the main$tream media.

[defendandprotect]

29. Afraid that "red necks" might think that Graham was the winner here --

Staying on message no matter what -- building new fears of Iran --

and Webb sitting patiently by may not quite play the way you think it did in supposedly

showing Graham as an "idiot."


Nor will they believe the sexual reality you're thrusting at them . .

these are people who are ready to believe that Haggard is "cured."

Sad to say . . . but that's my take on it -- though I will be happy to hear that I'm wrong!!!

[defendandprotect]

42. Staying on message no matter what -- building new fears of Iran --

Staying on message no matter what -- building new fears of Iran --

and Webb sitting patiently by may not quite play the way you think it did in supposedly

showing Graham as an "idiot."


Nor will they believe the sexual reality you're thrusting at them . .

these are people who are ready to believe that Haggard is "cured."

Sad to say . . . but that's my take on it -- though I will be happy to hear that I'm wrong!!!

[wildbilln864]

17. Agreed! Huckleberry Graham IS an idiot!

I don't care if the shit head is my congress critter! :grr:

[bridgit]

18. Baby Lindsey, don't touch!! Hot! Hot! and i say it's about time for someone to drag...

these war mongers out on the tiles; their positions are indefensible i.e. soldiers are saying more than anything & contrary to what Graham stammers over over & over again; that they want to go back and save their brothers & sisters that have been left in a hell-hole created by the petulant ignorance of g.w. bush

[USMC_Liberal]

19. Petreaus is no great general

People don't remember that 3.5 years ago there was this refrain of "Oh, David Petreaus is training the Iraqi army. As soon as they stand up, we'll stand down."

How did that turn out?

There was -exactly- the same Petraus mantra at that time.

I don't know much about Petreaus but I would guess he is just the biggest sell-out among the 4 star generals.

It was pathetic to hear Graham going "Petreaus, Petreaus, Petreaus".

Walt

[USMC_Liberal]

20. Iraq's Repairman - Petraeus

Iraq's Repairman

"Mission impossible? David Petraeus is tasked with rebuilding Iraq's security forces. An up-close look at the only real exit plan the United States has—the man himself"

- From the July 5, 2004 issue of Newsweek


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5305713/site/newsweek/

Petreaus is no great shakes. Of course no one in the media can remember two news cycles ago.

Walt

[EVDebs]

21. Iraq is a failed state. All the king's horses and all the king's can't put this broken egg together

again.

[bridgit]

22. slogans, friend, bumper-stickers, this whole damn thing has been led off...

and over the cliff with slogans, and the twisted implication of some of America's loftiest poetries: Freedom, Liberty, Justice For All...

is it to my mind a grand sadness our vaunted 'free press' asked no questions of any import or worth in the run-up, but were seen instead standing round for their embedded passes, wanting as much as cheney/bush to be seen as tough, it was/is a sickness of self-centered self-interest & conceit we see before us,

at that level though & regarding Petreaus et al, aren't too many 4-stars merely pumping that career, that resume?

i heard cheney wanted to send in a 3rd carrier battle group, and possibly a 4th, but was told by they responsible for the deployment of such thing that that was not going to happen; perhaps it is time for the U.S. military to step forward and do the right thing

welcome to du, USMC_Liberal :toast:

[cboy4]

24. Lindsey nearly blew his top when Webb sarcastically said,

"Lindsey's had a bad month."

hahahaha

That was a great shot.

[Imagevision]

25. Patraeus after speaking to Bush; "we're making so-oo much progress in Iraq I find it

difficult to put into words... Bush keeps on with his I'm listening to the generals on the ground so much it's difficult to figure out which general he's talking about because they keep getting replaced!

Latest casualty is Tommy Franks when george just yesterday stated Franks gave him the wrong info when invading Iraq.. what a little fucker, yes?!!

[Nikki Stone1]

28. Lindsay Graham sounds like Beverly Leslie from Will & Grace

you know, the little guy married to his wife Crystal but always hot for his male "business associate." Karen tells him, " I've choked on olives larger than you!"

[proud patriot]

31. "I'll let them judge what you said" Webb

:woohoo: :yourock: :woohoo:

[cureautismnow]

32. Lindsey Graham needs to STAY in Iraq as an enlisted man.

As Webb said, 7 times with his "dog and pony show" doesn't cut it. Graham is ALL talk, ALL the time. Bastard. :puke:

[Maestro]

33. Lindsey Graham is such an ass.

Graham: "Have you ever been to Iraq?"

Webb: "...I have been to Afghanistan as a journalist."

Graham: "Have you ever been to Iraq?"

Webb: "...the dog and pony shows?" :rofl:

[Cant trust em]

35. Let's assume that things are great in Anbar

just for the sake of argument let's assume that things have cooled off in Anbar province. Things are still going haywire in Baghdad! You put out a fire over here and another fire springs up over there. The reason that this keeps happening is because the whole country is flammable! These war hawks never seem to understand that there will always be violence as long as there is something to fight for. How many insurgents/terrorists/al-Qaeda operatives can we kill? Without political stability we'll never get peace.

[calteacherguy]

dupe. nt

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[calteacherguy]

36. Lindsey Graham is sickening, absolutely sickening the way he presumes to know what soldiers believe.

He shows a disdainful condescension and disrespect for the men and women in our armed forces. Disgusting!

:puke:

Webb is an American hero of the highest caliber. He makes me proud to be an American. :patriot:

[spooky3]

37. that was one of Webb's best points--what the military polls actually show

He came prepared with the data and Little Lindsey sputtered in surprise and had nothing to defend his own misinformation.

[Stardust]

46. Except Webb has still not signed up to cosponsor the Habeas

Corpus Restoration Act of 2007. Why???

[calteacherguy]

48. I do not know. nt

[Stardust]

69. Now you can

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Bob%20Geiger/462

[davidwparker]

39. Get him, Webb!

[pa28]

41. I've been watching Republicans shout down Democrats for years now.

I kind of enjoyed seeing it the other way around. Any Republican who blindly continues to peddle the administration B.S. deserves exactly what Lindsay Graham got.

[Mind_your_head]

43. Lindsey Graham is a "user"

He, and people like him, just 'use' people (i.e., the troops) and don't REALLY care for them at all - it's quite obvious.

Kudo's to Senator Webb for not putting up with the 'sack of putrified pus' that Mr. Graham and his ilk ARE.

We need more .... much much MORE .... FRESH REPRESENTATION in our Congress, like Senator Webb, - both house & senate! Perhaps THEN we will begin to see things change back to the better!

K & R & Peace,
M_Y_H

[kevinbgoode]

44. You know...I have grown so impatient with public officials

who, in their make-up and carefully coiffed hairdos, seem to think their faux righteous indignation justifies constant interruption of others when they are trying to speak. This utter arrogance, which has replaced discourse over the last decade in this country is one of the reasons why the American people are not receiving any goddamned information. When Graham finishes opening his piehole, either fuc*ing turn off his Microphone or slap him upside the head and ask him if he was a goddamned orphan who was never taught any manners.

I get so angry when I hear these asswipe "moralizers" behave as if they have never had a lesson in basic public decorum. If I lived in South Carolina right now, I'd be petitioning to have his ass removed just for that. . .

[lilypad_567]

71. graham is a orphan

senator graham is a orphan, when he was 22, his mother die and than 15 months later his father dies, he than adopted his 12 years old sister, who he raise until she went off to collage, so i think that it would be pretty offensive if webb slap him on the head and ask his he was some kind of orphan, when in fact he is one.

[ellisonz]

47. Webb rocks!

[Diane R]

49. Was Webb's mic as loud as Lindsey's? I think NBC gave Graham a mic that covered up Webb's voice

[Divine Discontent]

51. Sen. Webb is not the clearest voice

but if he is given the opportunity to speak without being shouted over, especially by a higher pitched man, then he speaks with commanding respect and dignity. This Sen. Graham fella, is OBNOXIOUS, and the few times Webb put in a comment between Graham's sentences to start with was forgotten by me when Graham slowly built up into hissing over every sentence Webb spoke by the end - I am pissed off at the mod for not doing his job, he should have told Graham to please not interrupt so often, there's a point in making a point in major comments, but when you respond and talk over the person who has the floor's next sentence after every previous sentence, well that's just asinine and clearly the mod sucked arse.

Love the referencing to GOD several times by Graham, as if GOD condones violent invasions of human life He created, even if you don't believe in a god, you have to find that rather comical for Lindsey to keep saying that as if that trumps anything Jim had to say! Well, Linds, GOD bless Jim Webb for having to sit next to your disgusting lies and bush apologist comments.

www.cafepress.com/warisprofitable <<--- top '08 items & antib*sh stickers!

[L0oniX]

53. Lindsey Graham... an ASS CARROT at the "dog and pony show"

I liked the part about Lindsey going over to Iraq and seeing a "dog and pony show". I LOLROTF at that one.

[Rhiannon12866]

56. K&R. Thanks for posting this! I saw this, but it sure was worth another viewing!

Jim Webb was awesome...:applause:

[onehandle]

63. Lindsey Graham sounds like Mr. Rogers

Mr. Rogers, wasn't an asshole toady of the Right.

[Catherine Vincent]

64. A friend of mine saw Webb last week walk out of the barber,

after getting his hair cut. They went to ask how much he paid and she said $40. He had mentioned that he was going to be on Meet the Press this weekend.

[DianaForRussFeingold]

65. K&R Jim Web speaks from experience and you can see his caring, leadership and selfless devotion

:loveya: FIGHTING FOR TRUTH - In a Washington Post article (September 4, 2002) before the Iraq War began, Jim Webb accurately warned us all about the problem of invading Iraq "without broad-based international support" and without an exit strategy; pointing out that: "The Iraqis are a multiethnic people filled with competing factions who in many cases would view a U.S. occupation as infidels invading the cradle of Islam." Webb went on to warn that while: "In Japan , American occupation forces quickly became 50,000 friends. In Iraq, they would quickly become 50,000 terrorist targets." and that an "American war" with the Muslim world would allow the Chinese to isolate the United States diplomatically while hampering our ability to win the war against international terrorism.
:patriot: - Jim Webb graduated from Annapolis and was commissioned as a second lieutenant in the U.S. Marine Corps and rifle platoon leader in Company D in the 1st Battalion of the 5th Marine Regiment during the Vietnam War. In addition to the Silver Star, two Bronze Stars, and two Purple Hearts, Jim Webb received the U.S. Navy's highest honor the Navy Cross for "extraordinary heroism," "courage, aggressive leadership, and selfless devotion to duty" for actions on July 10, 1969 in Vietnam.
Author:
FIGHTING FOR FAMILY - Jim Webb seen here with 3 of his 4 children. His son Jimmy, is an enlisted infantry U.S. Marine whose unit is bound for Iraq in late 2006. Webb's father was a career officer in the U.S. Air Force who served as a bomber pilot in World War II (flying B-17s and B-29s) and dropped cargo during the Berlin Airlift. Jim Webb has had a family member serve in every American military conflict. http://www.raisingkaine.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=4142

SEN JIM WEBB & SON HOME FROM IRAQ JUNE 15, 2007 NBC video from YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVg60BMeEVc

:kick:

[oasis]

68. Lindsey's mentor, John McCain, is getting his assed kicked in the polls

while Webb does a nationally televised smackdown of the Dixie Dweeb.

It's been a rough month for Lindsey who anticipates even rougher months ahead.

[opihimoimoi]

70. If ya can FOOL ...ya can RULE,,,Graham revealed his IGNORANCE and MYOPIA

A Mouthpiece if there ever was one

[Penndems]

72. "Born Fighting" wasn't just a campaign slogan to Jim Webb

It's his life's story! :D