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Greeby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 08:15 PM
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Mike Malloy interviews Sen. Mike Gravel - and the sparks fly
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 08:27 PM
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1. I really wanted to hear this. Thanks.
It's a lot of listening. I'll defer my comments until later. But sadly, it sounds like Gravel isn't the guy we all thought he was.

Recommending...
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zehnkatzen Donating Member (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 08:43 PM
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2. We were hurting for Mike M on this one...
Me and my wife were listening to Malloy on our way back from a particularly onerous personal task, driving through the heat-wave-ridden northern Willamette Valley, and listening to Mike G declaim and rant and condescend to Mike M when he was only trying to get him to talk further on his own points and defend what he had to say was just painful. We hurt for Mike M.

Moreover because we could hear the excitement in Mike's voice when he was introducing Gravel; it sounded very much like he thought he had found someone who was really worth getting excited about. Mike was much, much more patient than I could have been with him; any attempt to further do anything but simply buy and agree with what Gravel said brought on what should have been an embarrassing display of bluster and talking-over-the-host.

It was clear to me that no matter what you felt about Gravel's views there was only one response he wanted to hear, and that was agreement.

Gravel's fetish for reparsing words that we've used all our lives (such as "republic"...WTF?) I found, to say the least, uninspiring.

I too had hoped that this fellow who had a bout of plain-speaking that was quite well publicized had some actual passion and new ideas. Sadly, he's just another National Sales Tax pusher who's more noise than illumination. I'm taking a pass on him.

(I'd recommend this only I don't have enough posts)
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LeftyMcDemocrat Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 09:16 PM
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3. Malloy tried
Gravel has gravel for brains.
Get it? Gravel?
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zehnkatzen Donating Member (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 09:19 PM
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4. The highlight...
The best part of the whole ordeal for me was when Mike had to lecture him down about his rudeness and his patronizing and non-stop condescension.

He gave him, as Mike used to say, a case of redass; Gravel was a lot more sedate after that. Though I missed the part after that where Gravel took comments from callers, but I understand they were pretty "out-there".
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 10:25 PM
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5. Wow. I figured Gravel was a nut...
... this confirmed that, and more. :wow:
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 10:35 PM
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6. I listened to all 9 parts and Gravel's positions and explanations made perfect sense
...the fact that Mike Malloy felt he had to defend himself on the air against Mike Gravel because he, Malloy, felt Gravel was patronizing him when he repeatedly interrupted and asked to be told what every position and program meant was nothing but whining on Malloy's part. Mike Malloy wanted Mike Gravel to spoon feed his understanding, which was an impossible assignment given that Malloy refused to be taught anything. Then Malloy goes on whining and attacking Gravel for the final 30 minutes of the video claiming victory after he hung up with the former Senator.

I have a proposal for Malloy. If he wishes to understand what Gravel advocates, take a month or two months and read everything the Senator has written, maybe even ask if he could spend time with the Senator at his home and talk one on one, read, study....you know...wax on, wax off! In other words, walk in the man's shoes for a time and then pass his judgment as to the merits of Gravel's proposals. One thing is very clear to me that Gravel stated and perhaps Malloy missed in the hour he let Gravel talk and that was that America as a system is broken, Representative government is not representative of all of the people, only of the few and most powerful, and that our country is bankrupt and there is no way out of that bankruptcy without a radically different economic plan for the next two or three generations of Americans. Business as usual will not work and our country is on the verge of an economic meltdown far worse than anything, even the crash of 1929 and the great depression which followed that through the 1930s.

Gravel also has a way to end the war in Iraq and bring the troops home which Malloy failed to bring out in this show. Malloy can listen to a number of videos where Gravel has outlined his plan as to how that could work and have the troops home by this Christmas.

So, we need to open our ears to people like Mike Gravel in terms of proposals for moving our economy back on track, trade agreements instead of these open borders outsourcing, finding a system of taxation that will accomplish what we need, live within budgets we can afford, put everyone to work and be productive and yes even find ways to govern ourselves and get rid of this corrupted system of professional politicians who sell us a lie, get elected and then go to the small base of money people and work on their behalf. In other words real democracy.

I personally will continue to listen to the other democratic candidates right through to and into the primaries and I believe Gravel and Dennis Kucinich will play a part throughout the debates and likely into the primaries as well. I do feel this for certain, that another republican majority in congress or a republican president either in the next election or over the next 20 years that follow will end America completely. So we need a radically different way that America is governed from the system we now have. If that means a smarter more participatory citizenry, then we must roll up our sleeves and take responsibility for our own lives and those of our neighbors and communities and right up to the very edges of our borders and also how we relate to the rest of the world. Stupid, fat, lazy and arrogant ain't going to cut it over the rest of the century.

Thanks for posting this. Oh, I do not have the capability to like listen to Mike Malloy on a regular basis, but this time that I have I have found the experience always enlightening. This display with Gravel, I think went beyond the edge and showed a side of Malloy that was not pleasant at all to listen to. I hope and believe Mike Malloy can do much better.
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Cronopio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 01:06 AM
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8. "take a month or two months and read everything the Senator has written"
Edited on Sat Jul-14-07 01:18 AM by OmelasExpat
WHY should Malloy bother to do that? As a candidate, it is Gravel's responsibility to explain himself. If Senator Gravel can't explain his own ideas in a way that an intelligent and patient person like Malloy can understand, without resorting to being a condescending JERK in the process, then that disqualifies him from the Presidency right there. He may (or may not) have the most brilliant ideas in the world, but if he can't communicate them as clearly and concisely in person as he (supposedly) does on his website, then he is a disaster as a Presidential candidate. The fact that Gravel needs his own supporters to call him and try to explain his view, and then to hear *them* fail in the attempt, is LUDICROUS.

How can you even try to defend Gravel's embarrassing display on that program? GWB comes off like ... Clinton in comparison. At least Bush has his lines down.

If Gravel can't appreciate the opportunity that Malloy generously offered him to clarify his ideas to a truly progressive audience, he should stop wasting his time trying to pretend that he has anything to offer the progressive movement and get out of the race.

Jesus, VOUCHERS for health care?!? Prebates?! Even Perot wasn't that out to lunch.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 01:20 AM
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9. Interesting
Edited on Sat Jul-14-07 01:22 AM by ProudDad
I was predisposed to like Gravel -- I'd read his positions from the past and except for school vouchers, liked what he stood for back in the 70's.

I liked his current anti-war stance too. I loved the Kucinich, Gravel one-two punch in the so-called "debate" in D.C....

But, on Malloy's show, he refused to explain anything. He came across as intensely patronizing whenever Mike asked for him to clarify ANYTHING.

Gravel says, "Vouchers for Health Care". Mike asked, "But Senator, how would that work!". Gravel, "You know what a voucher is, that's how it would work! (dummy)"

and so on and so on... I was amazed that Malloy, who DOES have a real short fuse sometimes allowed Gravel to babble on so long before he "lost it"...

After listening to this I checked out Gravel a little more thoroughly.

His positions on Health Care and the "national initiative" are unformed at best or wrong to laughable at worst.

He performed a heroic act in the 70's, reading the Pentagon Papers into the Congressional Record to protect the Unitarians, but I'm afraid he doesn't have a coherent program worth voting for today.

It WAS entertaining...
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 07:25 AM
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11. Thank you for your courteous input, as I wrote I'll continue to watch, listen
...and read what each of the candidates lays out as their positions on the issues in the months ahead. Both Gravel and Kucinich do not seem to be afraid of putting their views out there for all to analyze which says a lot about their willingness to take stands and then face the public with their positions. I get the sense that Mike Gravel is a person of character and conviction about principle and doing what is right and best for the country. I also see and hear in him a person who is not afraid to admit when he is wrong and change accordingly, something we have not seen in politicians in this country in a long long time. I believe Dennis Kucinich is very much like that as well.

The other candidates in the democratic line up are all polished and groomed by their handlers, fully primed and rehearsed with focus group tested talking points and cautious sound bites. As a result we need both Gravel and Kucinich as counter points throughout this pre-primary debate period to push and squeeze the democratic constituency into waking up to what our real issues are: how to take back government of the people, by the people and for the people; ending this insane war in Southwest Asia and stopping the madness of American empire; balancing our budget and reducing the national debt; restoring our economy to create and support skilled workers at good pay rates based upon innovation and productive enterprises; national universal free health care for everyone; quality free public education up through four year college and technical programs; restore the constitution and bill of rights for all Americans including nationalized banking, credit and issuance of money; fair and honest vote counting and elimination of disenfranchised voters; separation of church and state and again allowing all Americans to worship as they wish.

There is no need yet for voters to through any of our democratic candidates out with the bathwater yet. We need to hear all views, all proposals, all voices from our party, so that when we do go to the polls in November 2008 the voters are informed and properly prepared to make the best choice, and to know that whoever our nominee will be, as democrats we will be united so that the as many republicans as possible at every level will go out with the filthy bath water and be kept out! Let those bastards implode

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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 06:30 PM
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13. Absolutely
"There is no need yet for voters to through any of our democratic candidates out with the bathwater yet. We need to hear all views, all proposals, all voices from our party, so that when we do go to the polls in November 2008 the voters are informed and properly prepared to make the best choice"

More voices are better than fewer!

I admire Gravel's courage and honesty. He and Kucinich definitely set themselves apart from the herd in that regard.

I wish the others would/could do the same but I'm afraid they're too afraid to go against the "conventional wisdom", that same "wisdom" that has eviscerated the Democratic Party in the last 25+ years.

It's been nice talking with you. :hi:
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 11:06 PM
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7. Despite this interview, I still like what Gravel stands for.
Edited on Fri Jul-13-07 11:27 PM by Gregorian
He's a big thinker. I don't fault him for not having every detail radio-ready. I like what he stands for, in a big picture. And I think people are picking on details and supposed problems. I think the word "voucher" is throwing people for a loop. I have a sense that Gravel could be a great president.




Edited to remove all of the bad things I said about Mallow, even if they are true.
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pokercat999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 07:04 AM
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10. Interesting, I like Gravel in the national dialog however
I think I'll continue to look for another candidate.

As for the glamor shot of Malloy, why the sex toy in the picture?
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 01:43 PM
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12. thanks for posting this. I had missed the original
program. Gravel really wears thin fast. Anyone who can't explain his ideas to Mike without being an arrogant, condescendng, asshat should not be running for president. His idea of "people power" and faith in people is proven false by his personal arrogance. While many on the left like his tough talk about the war and corporatization of our political process, his libertarian ideas regarding taxes and direct representation (especially with the control that exists over the media) would bring on more of the exact same thing.......how ironic.
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 06:58 PM
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14. haha
sounds like malloy just couldnt stand the fact that mike G said kucinich was like the rest of them.

we all know malloy would marry kucinich if he had the chance, based on the last several years of listening to mike M.
so right off, im sure malloy didnt like him after hearing that.
not suprised.
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