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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 07:41 AM Original message |
Bart Cop slams man into window---it shatters and causes injury |
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NWHarkness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 07:44 AM Response to Original message |
1. Oh, A Bart cop |
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NoPasaran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 07:46 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. LOL! |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 08:13 AM Response to Reply #2 |
13. Me, too. |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 10:02 AM Response to Reply #13 |
42. I thought the same thing! |
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intheflow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 01:17 PM Response to Reply #1 |
68. Yep, it should read BART cop, not Bart Cop. |
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seattle_blue (299 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 01:46 PM Response to Reply #1 |
71. i c now |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 09:14 PM Response to Reply #1 |
106. I totally thought it was Bart Cop..WTH! |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 07:48 AM Response to Original message |
3. It would never occur to me that a BART station had thin plain glass windows. |
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lame54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 07:51 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. whatever |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 08:06 AM Response to Reply #4 |
9. How old are you? |
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izquierdista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 09:07 AM Response to Reply #9 |
35. Apparently old enough to recognize a cop apologist |
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dotymed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 11:32 AM Response to Reply #35 |
55. Whole heartedly agreed. |
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tomm2thumbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 08:03 AM Response to Reply #3 |
8. I betcha some contractor used cheap glass - that should be safety glass |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 08:07 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. I hate it when that happens. My sister did that with an old (pre safety glass) storm door. |
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tomm2thumbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 08:36 AM Response to Reply #10 |
24. if you ever go to a glass factory/installer, ask them for their horror stories |
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Seldona (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 10:55 AM Response to Reply #8 |
49. Of course! |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 02:03 PM Response to Reply #49 |
73. Naw, as a society we spend the big bucks for safety glass because scumbags who are a drain on .... |
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tomm2thumbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 07:57 PM Response to Reply #73 |
104. +1 I honked at a guy tagging a freeway wall and he turned and threw a brick at my car |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 10:45 PM Response to Reply #104 |
107. Good work! |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 11:43 AM Response to Reply #3 |
56. Officer exercised excessive force. |
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greenman3610 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 07:53 AM Response to Original message |
5. sounds like bystanders had had enough of the drunk |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 07:55 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. OK---what if the window was a wall? |
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exboyfil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 08:03 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. It looks like the guy swung his right arm into the window |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 08:09 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. It's funny. You can't smoke on an open air Bart platform, but you can be a drunk or drugged out |
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exboyfil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 08:15 AM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Click to the CNN story it is hilarious |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 08:19 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. I'm sure he's a choir boy the other 364 days of the year. |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 08:29 AM Response to Reply #14 |
20. Aint no alleged about it... |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 12:48 PM Response to Reply #20 |
64. From this video, inconclusive. |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 08:12 AM Response to Reply #7 |
12. It is not common practice to slam a suspect against a wall, glass etc. |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 08:22 AM Response to Reply #12 |
16. The guy is resisting the officer. Why are you trying to make the cop the bad guy? |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 08:26 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Are you serious... |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 08:30 AM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Watch the video again, and notice the rigidity of the perp's arms. |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 08:31 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Did he grab anyting? Nope... |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 08:37 AM Response to Reply #22 |
26. Get a better cause. |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 08:39 AM Response to Reply #26 |
28. That's it??? |
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NorCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 11:18 AM Response to Reply #28 |
52. "You're fine with excessive force by Police officers? " |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 06:00 PM Response to Reply #28 |
99. When did you stop beating your wife? |
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spiritual_gunfighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 08:58 AM Response to Reply #26 |
34. Your agenda is clear |
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TheEuclideanOne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 08:26 AM Response to Reply #12 |
17. Sure he didn't resist. When he had his foot up against the wall he was just trying to tie his shoe. |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 08:28 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. What foot up against the wall? |
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TheEuclideanOne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 08:31 AM Response to Reply #19 |
23. Ooops. My bad. It looks like it was his hand up against the wall. |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 08:37 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. The guy simply did not resist. |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 08:39 AM Response to Reply #25 |
29. the cop got the worst injury, and it would not have happened absent this asshole on the train. |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 08:42 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. So---the cops wrong action caused him to injure himself... |
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TheEuclideanOne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 08:47 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. The jury is back and has already determined the cause of the actual accident/injury |
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dbmk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 10:46 AM Response to Reply #33 |
46. That would imply a natural relation between that action and the result |
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TheEuclideanOne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 02:32 PM Response to Reply #46 |
77. yes, there was a relationship here |
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dbmk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-24-09 10:55 AM Response to Reply #77 |
114. He did not walk him up to a wall and held him there |
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NorCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 11:20 AM Response to Reply #31 |
53. "So---the cops wrong action caused him to injure himself..." |
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dbmk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 10:51 AM Response to Reply #29 |
47. So if the cop had tried to shoot him |
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greenman3610 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-24-09 05:25 PM Response to Reply #6 |
119. yes. |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 08:39 AM Response to Original message |
27. That was an accident. No excessive force. |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 08:42 AM Response to Reply #27 |
30. No it wasn't |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 08:46 AM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Oh, like people like you wouldn't have accused the cop of excessive force for putting him... |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 10:04 AM Response to Reply #32 |
43. WOW... |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 09:18 AM Response to Reply #30 |
37. It's easy to be an armchair quarterback |
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Phoonzang (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 09:15 AM Response to Original message |
36. At least the cop attempted to physically take the guy down and |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 09:18 AM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Interesting point |
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proReality (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 09:20 AM Response to Original message |
39. If I saw a wall of glass coming at me... |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 12:52 PM Response to Reply #39 |
65. This is about the only reasonable reply I've seen in this thread. |
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spiritual_gunfighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 01:59 PM Response to Reply #39 |
72. Good insight |
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Hassin Bin Sober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 07:22 PM Response to Reply #72 |
103. The cop planted his left foot and tossed with his right side - not unlike tossing a heavy bag. |
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Piewhacket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 09:41 AM Response to Original message |
40. I live here. Excessive stupid. The BART Board is heading for the unemployment line. |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 10:02 AM Response to Reply #40 |
41. He had no reason to slam the guy against the glass... |
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axollot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 10:14 AM Response to Reply #41 |
44. And that was out right murder! n/t |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 10:17 AM Response to Reply #44 |
45. yeah---I'm sure imdjh thought the dude had it coming. |
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NorCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 11:24 AM Response to Reply #45 |
54. "yeah---I'm sure imdjh thought the dude had it coming." |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 11:54 AM Response to Reply #54 |
57. I've taken Bart hundreds of times myself.. |
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NorCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 12:25 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. If you take BART as well... |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 01:39 PM Response to Reply #60 |
69. I'll say it again... |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 05:24 PM Response to Reply #69 |
84. I think it's fine. |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 02:28 PM Response to Reply #41 |
76. How far was it from where 4 cops were murdered? |
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Piewhacket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-24-09 12:47 AM Response to Reply #76 |
111. Why is that important? Police officers are not authorized to act as vigilantes. |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-24-09 09:05 AM Response to Reply #111 |
112. It isn't, it's a response to the stupidity in the post I was responding to. |
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Piewhacket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-24-09 11:24 AM Response to Reply #112 |
115. What if it wasn't stupidity... where are you then? |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-24-09 01:21 PM Response to Reply #115 |
117. You know what's amazing? Somehow I have lived 50 years without ever being manhandled by a cop. |
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Piewhacket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-24-09 03:04 PM Response to Reply #117 |
118. Glad to hear it. But not everyone can hide from the world. |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 02:10 PM Response to Reply #40 |
75. Gibson had just offered to fight anyone on the train. |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 05:50 PM Response to Reply #75 |
94. so? |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 05:56 PM Response to Reply #94 |
97. The cop doesn't give him the chance, or the option. |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 06:02 PM Response to Reply #97 |
100. Well then he should have shot him. |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 06:09 PM Response to Reply #100 |
101. So, you just have no intention of being serious about this issue I see. |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 10:47 PM Response to Reply #100 |
109. Now you're talking. |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 10:46 PM Response to Reply #94 |
108. SO you love him so much go pay his bail and give him hugs. |
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Alcibiades (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 10:52 AM Response to Original message |
48. He clearly intentionally slammed him into the glass |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 11:05 AM Response to Original message |
50. It seems to be an accident |
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NorCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 11:15 AM Response to Original message |
51. No, that's not excessive force. |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 11:56 AM Response to Reply #51 |
58. No thanks... |
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NorCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 12:28 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. ... |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 12:56 PM Response to Reply #61 |
66. OK--- I say glass is just as dangerous... |
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California Griz (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 12:08 PM Response to Reply #51 |
59. I can't believe this BS |
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NorCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 12:33 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. It's not BS... |
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wowimthere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 05:37 PM Response to Reply #62 |
88. the cop should take some heat. The drunk obviously does not no better but |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 05:43 PM Response to Reply #88 |
91. I think you have him confused with a doctor. |
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wowimthere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 05:55 PM Response to Reply #91 |
96. Did you see the cop escort the man off of the train? This is bizarre. He got him off of the train |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 05:57 PM Response to Reply #96 |
98. And if he'd taken the suspect to the ground, and split his head open on the concrete, what would you |
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Piewhacket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 12:43 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. If the question is whether it was deliberate? It clearly was. |
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drexel dave (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 01:02 PM Response to Original message |
67. That wasn't intentional |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 01:41 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. If it wasn't intentional then what was it? |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 02:43 PM Response to Reply #70 |
78. Compliant? |
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Hassin Bin Sober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
74. The cop gives him an extra toss with his right arm at the end. |
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lebkuchen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 02:53 PM Response to Reply #74 |
80. What will the cop do next? |
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lebkuchen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 02:50 PM Response to Original message |
79. SF and Alameda Counties need to have a Powwow |
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wowimthere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
81. This is a no brainer for those who refuse to see this as ego-driven injustice... |
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cognoscere (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 04:54 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. How do you know the man didn't resist? |
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wowimthere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 05:28 PM Response to Reply #83 |
85. I looked at the video... the drunk man was escorted off of the train... |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 05:34 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. It wasn't a window and it probably shouldn't have broken under these circumstances. |
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wowimthere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 05:37 PM Response to Reply #87 |
89. the window is beside the point. The police's actions are on trial here. |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 05:46 PM Response to Reply #89 |
92. Actually, it isn't. The accusation is that a cop deliberately or indifferently put the asshole's ... |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 05:48 PM Response to Reply #85 |
93. Yep... |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 05:52 PM Response to Reply #85 |
95. Forget the window. |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-24-09 09:12 AM Response to Reply #95 |
113. Scott Bell? |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-24-09 12:26 PM Response to Reply #113 |
116. Whoops, Oscar Grant. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 04:53 PM Response to Original message |
82. that cop was out of line |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 05:31 PM Response to Reply #82 |
86. Clearly, between the two the cop is the psycho. |
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wowimthere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 05:40 PM Response to Original message |
90. I stand by my assessment. This is a no brainer. If cop can escort drunken individual off train |
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Supply Side Jesus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 06:19 PM Response to Original message |
102. Not Resisting? |
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harvey007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 08:42 PM Response to Original message |
105. A few thoughts |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 10:49 PM Response to Reply #105 |
110. Passengers should have tossed him on the tracks. |
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