The new V remake: More ABC/Disney right wing douchebag propaganda?

[Sebastian Doyle]

Run time: 02:51 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahjPQjQGdbU   Posted on YouTube: May 20, 2009 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: October 22, 2009 By DU Member: Sebastian Doyle Views on DU: 6483

 
Watch the trailer and judge for yourself. The implications seem rather obvious to me.

[bluestateguy]

1. No, I'm sorry I didn't see it

I was a huge fan of the V series from 1983-84. If you were bothered by the Catholic priest, I can tell you that there was a Catholic priest in that series too.

[DJ13]

2. No, I think using the word "change" near the end was the concern

Im not sure I agree, that term existed long before Obama, but I could understand where some might see the connection.

[Sebastian Doyle]

5. I'm pretty sure that the exact words "embracing change is never easy"

was taken directly from an Obama speech. And I don't believe it's a coincidence.

Hey, I'm hardly a member of the pom-pom squad. I have a lot of concerns with Afghanistan, the recycling of Clinton's Wall Street whores on the economic team, the appointment of MonSatan shills, and the big question of whether health care reform will be worthy of the name.

But that's legitimate criticism. This is looking like anything but that, and from a network which has been decidedly right wing for years. Not to mention the presence of Kelly Rutherford, and I can't remember the last time she was in anything that WASN'T openly shilling for the extreme right.

[DJ13]

6. I agree, theres room for legitimate criticism with anything ABC does

Thats not Kelly Rutherford, thats Elizabeth Mitchell ("Juliet" from Lost).



http://abc.go.com/shows/v/bio/erica-evans/275788
ABC.com - V - Bios

[Sebastian Doyle]

7. Oops.....

You're right. They look sort of similar. Well, I guess that means Juliet won't be back?

[DJ13]

8. Lost is in the final season

Maybe its already filmed?

[Sebastian Doyle]

10. I thought they had 2 more years?

So considering they probably won't start until February again, they have about 12 weeks left to make sense of everything? :shrug:

[Uncle Joe]

65. V also used the promise and exacts words of "universal health care" as an inducement

to trust them.

Now obviously they are the villains of the series and such words as "universal health care" for many unaware Americans have been subconsciously chained to the aliens villainy.

This coming out while the nation is in heated debate over the issue of health care.

I have no doubt this series is just another form of subliminal propaganda from the corporate media.

[dbonds]

3. You may be on to something, but not exactly...

Here is a blurb from RW website about V
http://hillbuzz.org/2009/09/26/abc-effectively-cancels-obama-centric-v-remake-before-it-even-airs/

[Tansy_Gold]

4. It looked like a Mylar balloon filled with helium. . .. . .

of a type with which most of us are fairly familiar over the past week or so.

The church was "St. James Anglican Church," not Catholic.

edited to add -- I watched, but did not listen to, the trailer, so if there was some message in the actual dialogue, I missed it.

I, too, was a big fan of the original series, and I think I still have some episodes on old VHS tapes. At the time, which was the heart of the raygun era and at the first real upswing in the public popularity of RW xtianity, it seemed to have a message. then again, so did the original Start Wars, the original Battleship Galactica, the original everything. Remakes generally just remake the message, too.

TG, who is NOT your friend

[bbinacan]

9. I don't see it.

I think you are reaching.

[tomm2thumbs]

11. an indictment against religion/far right on some levels - following cults & cult mentalities

blindly following anything is the thing I see as a problem. I think we put into it what we want to see.

In many ways you could say it sounds how the Palins of the world work. 'Don't ask me any difficult questions. Don't make me look bad. Blame the media, not the message.'

[DutchLiberal]

12. Very well seen! My compliments! Very sneaky propaganda, indeed...

A new leadership has come to offer HOPE and CHANGE to the people, yet this leadership is UNKNOWN. "Where do they come from?" It doesn't matter to most people, who DEVOTE themselves to these new leaders. Yet a small group of PROTESTERS, who aren't being taken seriously by most people, know what's REALLY going on: "hope" and "change" are just CODEWORDS for a masterplan to DESTROY us all.

As a student of film, I'm surprised so much people didn't catch this. It's so *obvious*! This script must've been written by Sarah Palin!

[snake in the grass]

13. Palin is a functional illiterate and a cretin.

I doubt she wrote that.

[Touchdown]

15. You do know the story is an allegory to Nazis taking over Austria, and not Obama, right?

I thought so.

[DutchLiberal]

20. Words like "hope" and "change" and the presence of small groups of protesters...

...indicate that it's really about president Obama.

If those two elements weren't present, I could see how it would be an allegory on the Nazi's taking over Austria, but, as I said, the parallels with present-day America are too obvious...

[Touchdown]

34. So let me get this straight. You think They're making a series about Obama

... who just happens to be a green reptilian alien who eats rats, disguised as a white woman who throws around flowery buzzwords (that no alien species in the history of Hollywood or literature has ever proclaimed), just so that he can steal the planet's water supply.

Gotcha!

[DutchLiberal]

40. It's called 'allegory'...

Look it up.

[Touchdown]

45. Pretty elastic allegory, if you ask me.

Again, I don't see it. What I do see a number of Sci-Fi cliches, including peace, change, disease cures, an end to nuclear nightmares and that we are hopeless when it comes to managing ourselves as humans, in this preview.

It's an age old plot device that's been in Alien encounter stories for a couple of centuries... and long before Barack Obama was even born, much less known to the public.

Besides, birthers and teabaggers don't get allegory. You know that already.;)

[DutchLiberal]

49. I'm not saying the concept is new. It has been used before.

An obvious and often invoked example is 'Invasion of the body snatchers', which was a right-wing allegory about Soviet spies and agents destroying our way of life from within.

Basic concepts like those in 'V' get recycled a lot over time, but every time with a new twist, to fit a new political purpose. This time, it's the words "hope" and "change" and the presence of a small group of protesters who are on to the truth, but are not taken seriously.

It's not necessary for teabaggers and birthers to 'get' the allegory. They're not even expected or encouraged to 'get' it. The aim is for as many people as possible *not* to see through it. Because, if you see through it, you see that it is *meant* to manipulate the public, and as soon as the public realizes this, it stops being effective. It's supposed to work on a subconscious level. That's why they call it "just entertainment".

(After all, 'Jud Süss' was also "just entertainment"...)

[Touchdown]

58. Your 2nd paragraph....

I would be as reticent as you had I not seen the original V back in the 80s. Those themes you touched on, especially the small groups of protesters were key plot devices in the original. This is a remake, so I expect them to be there.

[DeltaLitProf]

61. They may indeed have appeared in the original

. . . but look for the way they appear today, what rhetoric those plot points are laden in. The rhetoric is where the political content comes from.

[l.riviere]

24. V

This looks like simple science fiction to me. If you guys are
this paranoid, may I suggest the Glen Beck show it’s full of
conspiracy theories.

[Touchdown]

25. ...

:applause:

[DutchLiberal]

41. Oh sure, cheer on the troll...

Why are you so keen on defending ABC, the station which made a 'drama series' blaming Clinton for 9/11, anyway?

[Touchdown]

46. Because ABC is only airing V. They didn't make it. Warner Bros. did.

You know... that other company that produces Real Time with Bill Maher, and made such right wing propaganda as Shawshank Redemption, V: For Vendetta, March of the Penguins, The Matrix, Mystic River, The Watchmen, Good Night and Good Luck, Michael Clayton, A Time To Kill, Ghosts Of Mississippi.... shall I go on?

I already told you this yesterday. So why are you still pushing the "ABC did this" bullshit as if you never heard that before?

EDIT: One man's troll is another man's sane voice. Watch the whole thing and then make up your mind.

[DutchLiberal]

50. A person with a post-count of one, accusing us of being paranoid, is a troll...

At least to my standards. You should really not cheer him on.

I'm not denying the part that Warner Bros. played. I'm just saying that ABC is airing it. And ABC has aired right-wing propaganda before. They are complicit for providing an outlet for the propaganda. That's why I call them out.

How does the fact that Warner Bros. has produced supposedly liberal-biased films negate the fact that 'V' is right-wing propaganda? How does one follow from the other? Warner Bros. is a corporation that wants to make money, so it tries to cater to as big an audience as possible. Sometimes they cater more to liberals, some more to extreme right-wing wackjobs.

[Touchdown]

57. Well, I'm sorry to agree with the "troll". You are being paranoid.

You and a handful of others on this thread.

ABC is not the only one who has aired RW propaganda. I don;t need to mention Fox, but both NBC and CBS have aired biased programming in the past. Hell, even PBS ran a Frontline episode edited to make government run health care look bad.

Regarding WB and 'V' being rw propaganda. It doesn't negate it. What negates it is that you haven't seen anything but a 2 minute flash advert for it. Once it's actually on, and the story unfolds, then you can make a better evaluation.

[BREMPRO]

30. i agree- just exchange the V for O and you have direct parallels

to the view and manufactured fear of Obama from the right. The use of the words 'hope" and "change" and devoted followers, it's all there. It's the RW warped view and fear of the power of Obama translated into schlock sci-fi. It looks like a combination of bad screenwriting, second hand special effects, and deliberate corporate propaganda. Thank Disney.

[Touchdown]

31. You mean Warner Bros. Disney isn't producing this.

Jump.........................................................to conclusions!

[BREMPRO]

33. oh, you are so clever.! whatever.

[Touchdown]

35. Not really clever. I just found out who's producing the show.

And... I do know the difference between content providers and broadcasters. Google is my friend.

[Deja Q]

38. Sad. The original miniseries had aliens coming in search of help. The remake is clearly political,

as it has the aliens saying "hope" this and quoting Obama about "embracing change" and all that. I call "bull" from the get-go.

And don't give Palin so much credit - Levi's Johnson has more to do with it... :D :hide:

[librechik]

64. In the original series they PRETENDED to need help--in fact they wanted to EAT us

I'm worried about this version though. The bad guys were offering "Universal Health Care"

[Touchdown]

14. If they are faithful to the original's message then definitely not.

So far of what I've seen, it seems to have the same message.

The original creator was interviewed in a sci-fi magazine back in the early 80s. His entire premise is what happens when the US gets taken over by a fascist state such as what the Nazis did to Czecheslovakia or Austria. Since in the 80's, no other country in the world was nearly powerful enough to do that, not even the USSR, he chose alien visitors from outer space who had a secret agenda.

The name "V" comes from grass roots resistance to the Nazi occupiers. "V" was painted on the propaganda posers that showed how friendly those storm troopers were who stomped on your heads. "V" stood for Victory, or victory against the Nazis. This was repeated in the original V mini series in a powerful scene where the old man who survived a concentration camp yelled at a kid spray painting a visitor poster to cover up the trooper's face. He said "NO! You do it this way!" He grabbed the boys hand and forced him to spray a "V" over the whole poster. "You know what that mens, yes? It means V, for Victory! Now tell your friends!"

Unfortunately for the original, the latter half turned from a smart political exploration, to a potboiling soap opera, with a deux ex machina ending. Lets hope they new "V" retains that message throughout and gives us a satifying ending this time, and leave out the "Tune in tomorrow and see the baby!"

I'm looking forward to it.

[Sebastian Doyle]

16. Nope. this is definitely going to be right wing propaganda horseshit.

While the producers want to honor the original series, they also know they have to do something to get 2009 viewers invested in a show reflecting contemporary themes. So fascism and Nazis are out and the recession and the need for universal health care are in.

"The original series, to me, felt very much like a military show. It was a resistance and gun fights and a clear enemy. They wore uniforms, it was the Cold War, it was the Nazi, whoever and post 9/11, that's not who our enemy is anymore," Bell says. "It's terrorists and it's the guy across the street or the woman next door. Who do you trust? We're talking about the fears and the allegories here, and at a certain level I just want to remind people it's a show about spaceships on ABC at 8 p.m."
http://www.film.com/features/story/v-remake-stocked-stars-lost/29912378

At least FOX doesn't extend their right wing horseshit beyond their news division (except for 24, maybe). ABC seems to be all right wing, all the time now. :puke:

[Touchdown]

17. We just lived through 8 years of a "Vote for us or get attacked"

... regime. Production on this started in the Bush Admin.

ABC... really? I know they had a few bad shit, but Flash Forward and LOST are two shows I watch religiously and neither are right wing.

Why not wait until it's on before you make a judgement. I will, and if you're right I'll be the first to agree with you. Now? Based on 2 minutes of incomplete clips, your off.

If you are not going to be fair, then you shouldn't link to a site that contradicts you.

The new version, which debuts Nov. 3 on ABC with a cast packed with sci fi credentials, follows the original quite closely, although the special effects have improved greatly. Those hovering spaceships hanging out over the major cities in the world look like they bolted right out of a big budget film like Independence Day.

[DutchLiberal]

21. ABC also aired the 'drama series' about the lead-up to 9/11...

Blaming the attacks entirely on Bill Clinton's administration.

[Touchdown]

26. So.

Does that mean everything they do is right wing? Even Ugly Betty, and Modern Family?

[DutchLiberal]

42. I don't know. I haven't seen any of these shows...

[Touchdown]

59. Well, since it's a good idea to look at who does something to see their motives...

and you chose to focus on ABC, then let's focus on the director of the pilot mini series. Yves Simoneau.

He's Canadian... probably not right wing.

What has he done in the past?

Ruffian
The 4400 (another alien abduction series)
Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee
Marie-Antoinette
Nuremberg (War Crimes trial re-make of Judgement at Nuremberg with Alec Baldwin)
Ignition.

Nope. No right wing subversive propaganda here.

Executive Producers...
Kenneth Johnson

Produced the 80s version of V, which was anti Nazi
Alien Nation (TV Series)
Sherlock Holmes Returns
The Incredible Hulk (Bill Bixby)
The Bionic Woman

Scott Peters

The 4400
Alien Tracker
The Outer Limits (1999-2000)
Animorphs
Highlander (TV Series)
Goosebumps

Both of those look like typical Television Sci-Fi producers, one with more schlock than the other, but no RW bias that I could find in any of their bodies of work.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1307824/fullcredits#cast

[Sebastian Doyle]

39. Funny you should mention Flash Forward

It seems to have taken a hard right turn in the most recent episode as well.

Early in the episode you see some dumbass Bush Crime Family old guard idiot from the CIA stand up in a meeting and blame the world blackout on "Them Chinese communists, because our reports show that none of them blacked out".

Of course it was pointed out to this imbecile that it was 2 AM in China when the blackout occurred, which naturally means most people there were asleep. Imbecile says "yeah, them Chicoms are tricky that way" or something like that.

Naturally, the audience, as well as the rest of the characters in the meeting dismiss this moran for the fool he is and move on with their discussion.

But what happened at the end of the show? The Chinese hit squad rolled in in black SUV's and started shooting up the place. Looked like something out of "24", really.

[Touchdown]

47. They didn't look chinese to me. They looked turkish or E. European.

Of course the lesbian FBI agent is required on every show by Focus on the Family, right? If we continue this, were' going to spoil it for those who haven't watched it yet. ;)

I'm hooked on it though. The FBI is a touchy subject where political POVs are concerned, but I'm willing to give FF a little Law Enforcement justification creative license. Law Enforcement is usually a bit more trigger happy than the rest of us.... unfortunately.

[Touchdown]

18. And by the way. "V" is being made by Warner Bros. not ABC

ABC is only broadcasting it.

WARNER BROS. TELEVISION GROUP RETURNS TO COMIC-CON IN 2009 WITH STAR-STUDDED LINEUP FEATURING A RECORD 11 SHOWS

Stars and Creators of "The Big Bang Theory," "Chuck," "Eastwick," "Fringe," "Human Target," "Past Life," "Smallville," "Supernatural," "V," "The Vampire Diaries" and "Batman: The Brave and the Bold" Descend on San Diego for Panel Sessions, Media Appearances and Autograph Signings

...

Special Sneak Peek Pilot Screenings: WBTV and Comic-Con host a three-hour evening event screening of the pilot episodes of the highly anticipated new midseason action-adventure series "Human Target" (based upon a DC Comics graphic novel), a reimagining of the groundbreaking miniseries "V," and new drama "The Vampire Diaries" (based upon the best-selling book series by L.J. Smith).


http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=20090625wbt01

[Deja Q]

37. The original creator was Kenneth Johnson...

And "The Final Battle" (1984) was the soap opera you are referring to. The intellectual depth from the original (1983) was gone, replaced with crowd-pleasing moments that were poorly tied together. Part 1 was passable (just about) but happily falls to pieces after that...

I won't bring up the 1985 series NBC decided was needed... as with "Final Battle", Kenneth Johnson wasn't exactly involved in its development either...

And seeing the young kid do his explanation for "V" -- nowhere near as effective as Abraham's from the 1983 original...

[Orrex]

19. I watched V, and all I can say is that Natalie Portman is totally hot, even when bald

Wait. What?





Regarding the current trailer (which isn't so much "current" as "several months old") I would say that I don't see it as right wing douchebag propaganda.

[rvablue]

22. Didn't the original mini series this is based on run during the Raygun era?

So, no. I see an age old plot device being used for what looks like an entertaining TV show, not RW propaganda.

[DutchLiberal]

43. Your conclusion doesn't ring true...

The fact that the original came in the Reagan era doesn't mean a thing. So where you get your "so" (your conclusion) from, is a mystery to me. The fact that this new series is or isn't right-wing propaganda doesn't follow from the political slant of the original series. These are two separate series.

[ellenfl]

23. looks pretty much like the original . . . which i loved.

i look forward to this one. why do you think they need more propaganda? i tend to take most entertainment at face value, especially sci-fi of which i am a BIG fan. i think most other people do also, although i know sci-fi easily lends itself to propaganda.

ellen

[iamthebandfanman]

27. why are so uncreative these days?

why is every other movie a remake?
even games and music are taking the same route...



have we burnt out creatively when it comes to any type of story telling/creating?




something tells me being assaulted with images every day has finally taken its toll on society.

[Drunken Irishman]

28. I think it's more damning toward false idols than anything else...

I guess some on the right would consider Pres. Obama such, but I don't.

We've got to remember, change and hope existed before Obama and will exist long after his campaign. Just because some bad guys in a new TV show preach change does not mean it's propaganda.

C'mon now.

[Turborama]

29. There are people out there who think ABC are the illuminati & this show is to prepare people LMAO!

Check out some of the comments here: http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments&v=LQoSCEMzJYE&fromurl=/watch%3Fv%3DLQoSCEMzJYE

My own take is that the original gave David Icke an idea on how to make tons of money and he ran with it. As Barnum famously once said, there's a fool born every minute.

[MrModerate]

32. Sometimes an alien brain-sucker is just an alien brain-sucker . . .

Even when dressed up in "contemporary" issues. At bit of chill about this particular paranoia is, IMO, in order.

And I hated the original series, not because of its subtext, but because it was *really* badly acted and preposterous without being sufficiently over the top to morph into parody.

[DutchLiberal]

44. Most of the times, films are not "just" films.

*Especially* not when they're dressed up as (blockbuster) entertainment vehicles. But if they've convinced you otherwise, and not to look too deep into it, they have succeeded.

[MrModerate]

48. I am robot. I am not think for myself.

Puh-leeze.

No work of art is completely detached from its culture no matter how hard the artist tries. And television artists almost inevitably work the reverse angle: trying to build in as many easy-access emotional hooks as possible, to increase the chance that their piece will catch the imagination and be watched by the broadest segment of their target audience. Which in this case is a younger and predominantly male one. Not exactly the most fertile ground for anti-Obama brainwashing.

Change, global warming, and health care are all in the news these day. So the bower birds of Hollywood have dragged them back to the nest to make it all shiny and appealing. There's no compelling evidence that V is anything more than that. In fact, there's little that even suggests that interpretation aside from the overheated comments reflected here.

And as far as "looking deep" into network sci-fi action-adventure? Yeah. Right. Based on the trailer, I doubt the material would stand up to any serious scrutiny. Not because of some nefarious propaganda objective, but for the obvious reasons of monomolecular shallowness and -- unless they pull a Battlestar Galactica on it -- preposterous stories and really bad acting. They could surprise us all, and V the Remake could turn out not to be glitzy dreck. I'm not holding my breath.

But grand subliminal undermining of progressive trends in the US? That's a shark too far.

[DutchLiberal]

51. Propaganda is not directed at the already converted...

So younger and predominantly male viewers is *exactly* the audience this piece of propaganda wants to reach. And it's not meant to be taken as anti-Obama propaganda. It is *meant* to look like it's "just entertainment". That's how the best propaganda works. It always works on a subconscious level, and it is up to us to point it out.

I wasn't insulting you before, nor did I meant to say that you don't think for yourself. I'm just pointing out how subtle these tv shows and movies can operate. That's why they're effective. They don't have to be award-winning, high-budget productions like 'Battlestar Galactica' (where the allegory is pretty obvious).

[MrModerate]

52. Historically, I see propaganda more commonly used to whip up the enthusiasm . . .

Of the already committed. And it's a pretty blunt instrument.

If your campaign is unusually successful, the views of the committed minority might possibly overwhelm the views of everyone else and then you'd have a propaganda "coup" like Hitler, Goebbels, and their minions pulled off in Germany (see also Rwandan Genocide and Juan & Eva Peron).

But propaganda so subtle that the casual viewer can't even detect it is probably not effective.

I suppose if there were a powerful cabal directing the entertainment industry across several networks and multiple media, you might be able to change the baseline of people's opinion. An example of where this has worked is the gradual relaxation in standards of acceptablility for the presentation of sexual content.

But this took decades, *was* directed by a cabal of entertainment leaders, and drew its power not from political beliefs but from human sexuality. Only a very brave person stands in the way of human sexuality, and will inevitably get flattened every time. So even in this instance, propaganda only really helped the pendulum swing back in a direction it would have gone anyway.

My assessment? V the Remake is Hollywood doing what it does best (which is not to say it always does it well): grabbing chunks of popular culture and tossing them into a story factory to turn out entertainment that they hope will sell. Are the producers of V right-wing operatives? Who knows? Does it matter? I don't think so.

If the wingnutariat wants to influence culture, their money would be better spent sponsoring shows on Fox "News."

[DutchLiberal]

53. Have you ever seen 'Jud Süss'?

'Jud Süss' is an anti-Semitic Nazi propaganda film. It's not allowed to air on tv or to be shown in theaters, at least not in The Netherlands. Last week, an exception was made during a special symposium on war- and peace-time propaganda. On that very special occasion, I was able to watch this film. The danger in this film, which was made with very direct involved of Joseph Goebbels, is that it's designed as a regular drama film. It's not an obvious anti-Semitic attack. Aside from it's anti-jewish slant, it's a very good film, with a compelling narrative, great actors, and sharp and witty dialog. It's dangerous propaganda dressed up as "just entertainment" and that's exactly the reason it's so dangerous.

'Propaganda' is not just stuff like the Rwandan radio messages, or the more obvious nazi garbage, but also much more subtle works, and it's most effective when the viewer isn't aware of the fact that he's being manipulated. Only if the propagandistic message seems totally 'natural', the viewer will accept it without questions.

[MrModerate]

54. I have seen 'Jud Süss' (subtitled) and will admit that I had a great deal of difficulty . . .

Getting past both the subtitles and archaic film conventions to evaluate how it might have struck its contemporary audience (it was in a class, and that question was the central one we were supposed to ask ourselves).

That having been said, I still think it was in the category of unsubtle propaganda intended to confirm the committed in their beliefs. No one could sit through its blatant antisemitism without squirming unless they were already something of an antisemite. The classroom commentary about 'Jud Süss' also suggested its purpose was to validate the prejudice of the already antisemitic German population. The objective, IIRC, was to desensitize the viewers so they wouldn't object when the level of violations of human rights against that population increased by government order.

I still maintain (opine?) that overly subtle propaganda doesn't really deserve the name, and isn't particularly powerful.

[Deja Q]

36. Okay, I dislike remakes in general: vapid and inane, wanking with a copper scouring pad is better...

We have new technology, yet all we can do is remake old things and twist them to whatever political or humorous slants we want.

Maybe there is a case for the claim nobody's creative anymore. There's no room for it when remakes and so-called "reality shows" get more attention... and the ramifications from that slop, too...

1:50 in. Not very realistic; why the human interviewer seems so surprised over having to fiddle with facts -- it's totally unbelievable. Maybe if this was made 25 years ago might that scene be easier to swallow... oh, wait, it was... my bad... :blush:

Lots of obviously CGI sets - amazing what they can do with motion cameras tied to HD-resolution 3D models... I feel sorry for the actors having to spout this drivel; being stuck in front of a green screen and a piece of tape showing where they're supposed to look and all...

The wording and use of clips - it's pretty obvious. There are plenty of ways to deal with issues (gee, wasn't the 1983 version adequate?!!) and yet they go out of their way to use all the buzzwords Candidate Obama used during the election.

Way too coincidental.

If I want "V" I'll pop in the ye olde DVD...

[bowens43]

55. You're being silly. nt

[JHB]

56. They're using new buzzwords like "change" because old buzzwords like "uniter...

...not divider", or "compassionate" are soooo 2K.

Seriously, if this came out two years ago, we'd be pointing at the parallels with the "God chose Bush" crowd. Hell, they worshiped him, and old Lizard Dick didn't even wear a mask.

If the "cult of personality" aspects of the story hit a little too close to home, maybe those who get "hit" so could use a splash of cold water. I'd rather have it happen due to a cheesy TV remake than from failure of real reform and change.

[MinM]

60. "The F.B.I." | "Homeland Security USA" | Path to 9/11

ABC would never put out right-wing propaganda. Would they? :sarcasm:

"The F.B.I." starring Efrem Zimbalist, Jr.


TV show Homeland Security USA is nothing more than propaganda | guardian.co.uk


ABC: Lies, Obfuscations And False Promises
"Path to 9-11" Director's Cult Ties (Youth With a Mission)
Greenwald distills the essence of ABC's Path to 9/11 outrage

Is "V" a thinly veiled attack on President Obama?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6900942

ABC kills "V" skywriting stunt - Is this remake Anti-Obama?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6897983

[onehandle]

62. Sometimes a TV show is just a TV show. nt

[Roland99]

63. Leave it to right-wingers to have NO originality. Remaking a series from DECADES ago???

:eyes:

[Uncle Joe]

66. They're going for the younger generation as a means to make up for what they've lost

to the Internet.

[conturnedpro09]

67. I saw the first 2 episodes. Yes, V is anti-Obama. But so what?

If it is entertaining--which this show definitely is--then I will gladly watch it. Just like my conservative friends will watch...well, just about everything else.

I understand liberals being annoyed or even angry that 'V' is right-wing. But there's no reason to go into denial about it. That's just weird. Some people here are acting like the existence of a conservative show is somehow a defeat for us. I don't get that.

I'm looking forward to episode 3.