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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 04:57 AM
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"Land of the Czars" Rachel Maddow on the History and Myths
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Rachel Maddow takes a deep look into the title of Czar. Its history and it's myths.
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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 05:11 AM
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1. In which case, "Never mind" . . . very nicely done. n/t
Edited on Thu Oct-08-09 05:11 AM by MrModerate
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Ineeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 06:54 AM
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2. See this , snipped from Factcheck entry last month:
"Czar" is a label bestowed by the media and sometimes the administration as a shorthand for the often-cumbersome titles of various presidential advisers, assistants, office directors, special envoys and deputy secretaries. (After all, what makes for a better headline "weapons czar" or "undersecretary of defense for acquisition, technology and logistics"?) Fox News host Glenn Beck has identified 32 Obama czars on his Web site, whom he has characterized as a collective "iceberg" threatening to capsize the Constitution. The habit of using "czar" to refer to an administration official dates back at least to President Franklin D. Roosevelt, but the real heyday of the czar came during President George W. Bushs administration. In fact, of the 32 czars Beck lists:

* Nine were confirmed by the Senate, including the director of national intelligence ("intelligence czar"), the chief performance officer ("government performance czar") and the deputy interior secretary ("California water czar").
* Eight more were not appointed by the president the special advisor to the EPA overseeing its Great Lakes restoration plan ("Great Lakes czar") is EPA-appointed, for instance, and the assistant secretary for international affairs and special representative for border affairs ("border czar") is appointed by the secretary of homeland security.
* Fifteen of the "czarships" Beck lists, including seven that are in neither of the above categories, were created by previous administrations. (In some cases, as with the "economic czar," the actual title in this case, chairman of the presidents economic recovery advisory board is new, but there has been an official overseeing the area in past administrations. In others, as with the special envoy to Sudan, the position is old but the "czar" appellation is new.)
* In all, of the 32 positions in Becks list, only eight are Obama-appointed, unconfirmed, brand new czars. These new "czars" include the special representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan; the director of recovery for auto communities and workers; the senior advisor for the presidents Automotive Task Force; the special adviser for green jobs, enterprise, and innovation at the White House Council on Environmental Quality; the federal chief information officer; the chair of the Recovery Act Transparency and Accountability Board; the White House director of urban affairs; and the White House coordinator for weapons of mass destruction, security and arms control. Or, as Glenn Beck would have it, the Afghanistan czar, the auto recovery czar, the car czar, the embattled green jobs czar, the information czar, the stimulus accountability czar, the urban affairs czar and the WMD policy czar.
Another thing: Beck counts among his 32 "czars" three who have not been called "czars" by reporters at all, except in stories claiming that the Obama administration has lots of "czars."
Like the Obama czars, the Bush czars held entirely prosaic administrative positions: special envoys, advisers, office heads, directors, secretaries. The preponderance of czars earned both ridicule and concern in editorials and in media, but no objections from Congress.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 07:11 AM
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3. Tell this to Feingold, Beck, and now Lieberman. n/t
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sybylla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 09:33 AM
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4. Did you ever think that
Russ Feingold's intent in bringing this before his committee is to hang the pukes with it? They created far more of these positions than the Democrats ever have. Wouldn't holding a hearing about them, pointing that out and providing the opportunity to clearly establish that these are simply policy advisers put the subject to rest for good in a very public and shameful way?

When kids throw a tantrum over a toy, the best response is to take the toy a way. That's exactly what Feingold's action in committee will do. What will puke legislators, Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh and the teabaggers all do once the myths they prop up about czars are thoroughly debunked?

Feingold has never been a tool. That anyone on DU can think that's the case continues to surprise me.
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joeycola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 10:09 AM
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5. Thank you. I just posted a thread about this in GP-P but I think you
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joeycola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 10:22 AM
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6. Feingold had the 'thoughtful review" that the WH said it welcomed......... /

................Asked the administrations view of a possible Senate hearing on the topic and the concerns that have been raised, Ms. Dunn said on Friday: We are having constructive conversations with Senator Feingold to address his concerns and welcome a thoughtful examination of this issue. A careful review of the facts would dispel the misinformation being broadcast by those who take their marching orders from Glenn Beck and Fox News.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 12:01 PM
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7. I love how people decide to interpret things from a post that doesn't suggest anything of the sort.
Edited on Thu Oct-08-09 12:03 PM by vaberella
If you're wondering why I mentioned Feingold amongst the other two, it's because all three are the ones really pushing this thing and making it an issue. Feingold is helping legitimize the claim, when in essence it's bloody crap. Added to that, Feingold, as some have said, did the same to what you're telling me is that Feingold's intention was to defend Bush against such attacks as well? When Bush faced no such similar attack. I find your defense weak.

My only intention is to point out that all three are pushing a meme. You rationalized Feingold's position but intentionally ignored the other two...which makes me wonder why. You could easily have used the defense for the other two as well.

But believe what you want. I'm not about to put anyone on any pedestal over silliness.

Edited for grammar.
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sybylla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 01:39 PM
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8. Feingold's position has always been in support of sunshine
In this case, it works to Obama's advantage. In the chimp's case, it worked against his secretive administration when the Dems could manage it.

Of course I can have it both ways.

To assume there is something innately wrong with questioning anything a Dem administration does is short-sighted and debilitating not only to progress but to defense of that administration. Barack Obama ran for the presidency demanding more sunlight on government activities. To expect progressive Dems like Russ Feingold won't take him up on it is just silly. To think Obama didn't mean it is "silliness" as you say.

You are welcome to think that there wasn't method to the apparent "meme-pushing" madness you imagine Sen. Feingold has engaged in.

I'll continue to assert you're ignoring the big picture.
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