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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:37 PM
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Mark Crispin Miller warns of Election Theft & Martial Law
 
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Part 2 of this video is here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oX9IvrFYVfI

"This is a regime whose leaders are capable of anything. They're capable of stealing elections. They're capable of lying us into a war. They're capable of letting a whole major U.S. city drown... and then do nothing about it, to this very day. They're capable of outing a crucial CIA officer who was tracking Weapons of Mass Destruction that were headed for the United States.

What is it that they would not do?

Now, I don't say this because I want people to freak out or stay home and lock the door. On the contrary, I say this because it's crucial for us all to keep our heads, and have our eyes wide open. If these things take us by surprise, we are that much more vulnerable to being manipulated, pushed around... maybe with fatal consequences.

If however, we can be well aware of the nature of the people in charge, and not be surprised by the steps they take, we'll be strengthened by that kind of preparation, and, we'll be able to resist.

And at this point, resistance is something that we should all be thinking about very seriously."

- Mark Crispin Miller, May 19, 2008.

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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:43 PM
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1. I like his last line the best .
resistance yes indeed. For our own survival we better stay alert and be several steps ahead of these thugs.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:01 PM
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43. It left me with the chills. and an alert feeling.
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DaLittle Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 09:54 PM
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89. PREPARE 4 THE WORST AND EXPECT THE WORST! Maybe We'll Get Lucky?
:argh:
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1trackmindGOP Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:59 PM
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2. Agree 100%...they do not want to lose their power!
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frog92969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:36 PM
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7. It seems they can't afford to lose power.
And usualy when you try to warn people they smack you down as a nut job.
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:02 PM
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3. I need to take the blinders off
I've not been seeing what he's talking about because there's so much popular support for Obama. When 75,000 turn out for him in a relatively small American city, it indicates the huge amount of popular support for change.

This video clip is a cold glass of water to the face, therefore. With a complicit media, the Republicans very well could keep the race within 10 points. And if they don't, there's always Plan B, which MCM seems to think could lead to some very dangerous situations.

One thing, however, is just about everyone here at DU agrees there will be no prosecution of bush, cheney, et al. If that were so, it would remove a key pin to MCM's argument.




Cher
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 07:00 PM
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34. i'm hoping there will be prosecutions
of the bushies. and i think it possible, but that it won't happen until after they are out of office. these crimes i believe do not have time limits.
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Shine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:03 PM
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4. Sobering, to say the least.
but I remain hopeful about our chances in the fall, nevertheless. :thumbsup:
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:17 PM
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5. will the Dems have people monitoring the voting process??
I am going to train to become a poll worker but maybe working with the Dems themselves would be better. Get educated, know the laws -like he suggested, and get involved.
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raincity_calling Donating Member (143 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:42 PM
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23. Here is my experience as poll worker and working with Dems
I am doing both - I work as a poll worker, in 2004 I was a pollworker observer for the State Demorcratic Poll worker. I am active within the party because it gives me access to people I might not otherwise have access to. As result I have had the chance to raise the awareness of Democrats and Party leaders about voting issues including machines and suppression issues. As a result I got the party to have a state voter hotline in 2006 and it will be doing the same in 2008. I recently talke to an Obama volunteer and suggested that the Obama campaign get its volunteers to sign up as poll workers. I live in King County WA. In 2004 our county voted for Kerry, as a result, the Democrats are entitled to have all the poll inspectors in the county be Democrats, and the poll wokers in theory, 50/50. If there are not enough Dem inspectors, then GOPs can be assigned. Which is why the Democratic Party needs to get its volunteers to sign up to be inspectors. Also, if there are not enough Democratic poll workers,then GOPs can fill the spots. If you are active in either the Hillary or Obama campaigns, I would urge you to have a discussion with the campaign about organizing poll workers. Observers not enough.
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 06:05 PM
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31. Good info. Thanks for sharing.
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:54 PM
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40. yes, thanks a lot!
very helpful and I think I'll follow your advice and contact the Obama campaign in my area about poll workers.
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disndat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:43 AM
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66. The first thing Obama must do
is to reform the election system and get rid of all computer machines from polling places. Not even the much touted electronic scanners are not tamper proof, according to Prof. M.C. Miller. "Jim Crow" must be on top of Obama's agenda. "President Obama," what a fantasy! But the Oregon turnout last weekend should give us all hope.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:21 PM
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sansatman Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:39 PM
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8. Something to keep on the radar...
"What is the Federal Emergency Management Agency? Simply put, it is the "secret government". This agency has powers and authority that go well beyond any other agency in the nation. What can FEMA do? It can suspend laws. It can move entire populations. It can arrest and detain citizens without a warrant and can hold them without a trial. It can seize property, food supplies, and transportation systems. And it can even suspend the Constitution of the United States."



http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/fema.htm
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:43 PM
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11. :eyes: Love the FEMA "concentration camp" link
I guess evacuating the New Orleans residents to the concentration camps would have spilled the beans, huh?
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chelaque liberal Donating Member (981 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:40 PM
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9. self delete
Edited on Mon May-19-08 01:42 PM by chelaque liberal
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:42 PM
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10. This should be seen by everyone. Seriously.

Wake up America!:kick:

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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:44 PM
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12. Here's the problem...
Personally I have stated for several years that we have a 50/50 chance of having elections, or Bush leaving power.

They can't destroy all the evidence of their guilt, and if the next president isn't McCain, they know it will all come out. Thus, the chance of "unspecified threats" from "classified sources" claiming "imminent terrorist attacks" during the elections are a real possibility.

That said, the likelihood that the American people would revolt is somewhere around ZERO. Americans are too comfortable, too fat and happy (yes, even now with so many people losing their jobs, their homes and with skyrocketing prices).

Americans have sucked too long on the twin teets of organized religion and television to be capable of revolt in any meaningful way. Those that do revolt will be gunned down by the police or the military without hesitation (it's called "just following orders").

I don't know why BushCo is worried. The chance of these people being prosecuted no matter how compelling the evidence is also about ZERO. Bush could beat kittens to death with puppy dogs, while Cheney ate babies raw on the White House lawn and the media would give it a pass, while the Democratic leadership could be counted on for a sternly-worded letter and a meaningless subpoena.

Yes, I am bitter and yes, I have pretty much lost all faith in humanity in general and America in particular.
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sansatman Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:01 PM
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13. "Those that do revolt will be gunned down by the police or the military without hesitation"

"The Posse Comitatus Act has traditionally been viewed as a major barrier to the use of U.S. military forces in planning for homeland defense.<1> In fact, many in uniform believe that the act precludes the use of U.S. military assets in domestic security operations in any but the most extraordinary situations. As is often the case, reality bears little resemblance to the myth for homeland defense planners. Through a gradual erosion of the act’s prohibitions over the past 20 years, posse comitatus today is more of a procedural formality than an actual impediment to the use of U.S. military forces in homeland defense."





http://www.homelandsecurity.org/journal/articles/Trebilcock.htm#_edn1
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Butch350 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 06:35 PM
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32. They'll Just Contract it Out - H.Burton
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:31 PM
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14. Naomi Wolf was correct, Fascism is creeping into our society
now they have mc insane to soldify the plan, and it is sickening to hear McInsane carry on with we should not talk to our enemies, that is pure BS and if people believe what he saying this country is done. The corporations just want war and more war, to feed their greed. Oil in any part of the world we have to have a war with?? and kill millions of people? what kind of sick twisted BS is that? Now is the time to wake from our slumber, and to stay alert.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:22 PM
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18. Actually fascism has goose-stepped right through the front doors of this country
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:36 PM
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15. The republicans will do anything to stop Obama. Anything. He needs to get
some more protection because Bush**-Rove controls his security now.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:48 PM
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16. Do we need a new political category, the Paranoid Left?
Also, while most of this is valuable, the psychological tenor, one of despair,
discourages voting at all as futile. That is anything but helpful!
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:15 PM
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38. Hmm, obviously you didn't pay attention, or for that matter, actually watch both vids.
Miller does not discourage voting. In fact he cautions that voting--and in large numbers--is exactly what we need. Miller points out we need more than a 10-percentage point difference to curtail outright electoral theft. Perhaps you missed the second video, also accessible on the OP.

And on a personal note, don't give me this "Paranoid Left" crap. Only an idiot or a collaborator would discount warnings about the potential and probable electoral misconduct of cheney*/bush*. If there is the "Paranoid Left" than I am a card-carrying member. I also predicted--in 2000-2001--the Iraq invasion and occupation, the cheney*/bush* assault on civil rights and personal freedoms and the attempted destruction of the unbiased, impartial American judiciary. Was I a prophet or seer able to see the future? No, just someone familiar with the circumstances and possessing a modicum of common sense.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:07 PM
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44. Attack the messenger? Try rereading what I wrote. It may help your comprehension,
which is obviously deficient. You missed my point.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:50 PM
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47. I didn't attack the messenger, I commented on your message.
I read your post several times. Perhaps you should reread mine.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 12:29 AM
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50. You accused me of not paying attention, an ad hominem attack.
FYI: An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacy. "Ad Hominem" means "against the person."

An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. Typically, this fallacy involves two steps. First, an attack against the character of person , second, the attack is taken to be evidence against the claim or argument.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 12:54 AM
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51. Whatever. Have a nice day.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 06:51 AM
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59. Mark has proven, in EXTENSIVE DETAIL, the theft of 2004...
Edited on Tue May-20-08 07:32 AM by Junkdrawer
and his second point, that these folks are capable of anything and are giving EVERY indication that they are preparing a backup plan that might very well include martial law is compelling and, unfortunately, anything but paranoia.

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OnTheOtherHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:57 AM
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74. like hell he has
You're entitled to your own opinion, but not your own reality.

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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:00 PM
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85. Likewise. nt
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tullyccro Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:55 PM
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17. Please see my discussion from Daily Kos as well....The timeline for conflict with Iran is below.
As the primary is all but decided, and Democrats are largely focused on defeating McCain at the polls this fall, it's worth remembering that the current administration is not yet out of office, and still primarily composed of radicals, criminals, torturers, liars, thieves, and basic tormentors of the other 99% of humanity.
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As the primary is all but decided, and Democrats are largely focused on defeating McCain at the polls this fall, it's worth remembering that the current administration is not yet out of office, and still primarily composed of radicals, criminals, torturers, liars, thieves, and basic tormentors of the other 99% of humanity.

These are the people who now have control of our government, and command of our armed forces. Let's not take up too much time celebrating "change," which is coming whether we like it or not.

That being said, the recent shake-up in Lebanon and the timing of the President's visit to the region should remind us that the neo-conservatives and their timid opponents within our government, will have one last major attempt to bring the country to the brink of war before the elections, if we take into account how wars are planned and how tactical operations are carried out.

Let's take a little stroll down memory lane.

On May 4th, 2007, the president issued National Security Presidential Directive NSPD-51/Homeland Security Presidential Directive HSPD-20. This was largely discussed on DK but typically absent from any major mainstream forum.

Executive Order 51, as it is usually called, basically outlines a plan for a "Continuity of Government" procedure which is to take place in the event of any "catastrophe," which is, of course, to be defined by this insane, delusional, criminal administration.

In the event that the implementation of Executive Directive 51 is judged appropriate, national elections are to be postponed indefinitely.

Until order is restored.

In the president's opinion.

Catastrophe is defined as "any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions."

In January of 2008, shortly after the incident in the Strait of Hormuz between Iranian speedboats and the USS Harry Truman, many provisions of the directive were repealed by H.R. 4986, the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008.

However, President Bush attached a signing statement negating the aspects of the bill which demanded the repeal, stating simply:

"Provisions of the Act, including sections 841, 846, 1079, and 1222, purport to impose requirements that could inhibit the President's ability to carry out his constitutional obligations to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, to protect national security, to supervise the executive branch, and to execute his authority as Commander in Chief. The executive branch shall construe such provisions in a manner consistent with the constitutional authority of the President."

GEORGE W. BUSH

THE WHITE HOUSE,

January 28, 2008

A few months later, as the Naval presence in the region was due to reach a crucial interlude known to strategists as a critical junction in the "6+2" method of deployment, which I will discuss below, Admiral Fallon resigned his command of Centcom ,in early March, temporarily forestalling a strategic build up aimed at establishing a unique window of opportunity to occur around the end of April.

It is worth noting that Fallon, as the Centcom commander, would have had the personal authority of ordering the USS Harry Truman not to fire on the allegedly belligerent Iranian boats in January, and as most visitors to DK probably know, he is rumored to have left his position due to disagreements with the administration about U.S. priorities and strategy in the region, to be replaced by General Petraeus, the administration's saving grace in the "surge" pitch last summer.

Shortly after Admiral Fallon's resignation, actually, less than a week, Vice President Cheney traveled to the Middle East, presumably to discuss the administration's plans for the region with his counterparts in Saudi Arabia and Israel, you know, the real planners and power players of governments and multi-billion dollar financial actors.

Fast forward one month to the beginning of April, when Andrew Cockburn at counterpunch.org, among others, reported that the president had been given Congressional authorization, and an initial $300 million, to pursue covert offensives against the Iranian regime and Hezbollah, through the funding of militant groups in the region which oppose the Iranian government.

Israel and other allies in the region also completed major domestic security operations at this time, spanning 5 days, most of which dealt with facing a two-front war against both regional enemies in Lebanon and the risk of Israeli cities being attacked by chemical warheads from neighboring Arab states.

On April 29th, the USS Abraham Lincoln arrived in the gulf to replace the USS Harry Truman, and Secretary Gates stated that the extra naval presence in the region should serve as a "reminder" to the Iranians.

On April 30th, the State Department released a report clarifying the classification of Iran's Revolutionary Guard as a terrorist organization in 2007, stating that "Iran remained the most active state sponsor of terrorism" in the region.

It's worth noting that both Senator Obama and Senator Clinton voted for the label or co-sponsored similar legislation in 2007.

By May 8th, the USS Truman was in Rhodes and out of the Gulf, however, mainstream press reports confirmed that Centcom plans for comprehensive naval and air strikes on Iran had been approved, meaning the strategies that Fallon had refused to address were now firmly in place and plans for the Pentagon's "long war" in the region, to be fought with cooperation of Israel and on multiple fronts, were ready for action.

A few days later, two tentative ceasefires were strangely reached almost simultaneously with Shiite militia groups in both Sadr City and Lebanon, just as the President prepared for a visit to the region, his second in 5 months, efforts which will undoubtedly be sold to the public in the next few months as our "one last attempt at diplomacy" with the now officially demonized Iranians.

Also, Jenna Bush got married on May 10th.

So to review:

i. our Congress labeled the Iranian Army as a terrorist organization in 2007

ii. the President declared that he can suspend Consitutional government and elections in the event of another major conflict with a terrorist organization in that same year, which would mean any conflict with Iran could be classified as such,

iii. all non-compliant military commanders have been removed or have resigned,

iv. any questioning of Bush's Martial authority by the members of Congress has been disregarded by his signing statement,

v. the official military plans are confirmed,

vi. guns and funds are going to local militia throughout the region with the expressed consent of the Congress, that is, on the books

vii. the navy's tactical timeline, which will bring us to the brink of war by placing a substantial force in the region over the summer, is set to culminate shortly after the Olympics

viii. George Bush's direct line of descent might be preserved if Jenna procreates with her lawful husband in the next few months

ix. VP Cheney, the real power broker in our government, has been to the region to discuss our plans with our strategic allies.

The 6+2 strategy discussed above is a hot topic of discussion in navy forums, especially among those who are in support of action against Iran and look forward to a "September Surprise" as many retired Navy strategists and Bush supporters are calling it.

The 6+2 carrier theory was designed to insure that the Navy has 6 aircraft carriers available within 30 days to anywhere in the world, with 2 more available by 90 days. Hence, the 6+2.

Here's how the ex-navy buffs have it lining up:

"6 & 30 Days:

USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN 72) - Deployed to Gulf
USS George Washington (CVN 73) - Deployed on way to Japan
USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN 71) - Next Atlantic Fleet Carrier to Deploy
USS Ronald Reagan (CVN 76) - Next Pacific Fleet Carrier to Deploy
USS Dwight D. Eisenhower (CVN 69) - Surge Atlantic Carrier Behind Roosevelt
USS John C. Stennis (CVN 74) - Surge Pacific Carrier Behind Reagan

2 & 90 Days:

USS Kitty Hawk (CV 63) - Rotating from Japan to San Diego (Currently Deployed)
USS Harry S. Truman (CVN 75) - Currently Deployed, Returning Home

2 & 180 Days:

USS Enterprise (CVN 65) - 16-month Extended Docking Availability Began April 11th
USS Nimitz (CVN 68) - Currently Deployed, Extended Drydock Availability Begins After Deployment

Nuclear Refueling:

USS Carl Vinson (CVN 70) - Unavailable until end of 2008

Check closely, we list both carriers for 60 days as deployed today, plus a 180 day carrier as deployed today. In other words, they won't be unavailable until the Navy decides them to be.

I don't know what it means, but a scheduling "coincidence" has generated a considerable amount of naval power availability this summer, and we note the first strike weapons are on the move. The next big sign is to wait and see what the Peleliu ESG does when the Iwo Jima ESG deploys. If both are in the Middle East at the same time late this summer, that is a pretty solid sign of a September Surprise. 4 reasons why: Abu Musa island, Sirri, and the Greater and Lesser Tunbs. Check the map, those islands are arsenals on the deep water channel in and out of the Gulf, they will require Marines to secure in a war against Iran."

I spent days trying to confirm that the USS Truman had exited the Gulf and sadly, only confirmed it by reading Greek newspapers.

Any tactical redeployments or "bumping up" of Marine deployments in the region, unrelated to developments in Iraq or Afghanistan will also be a sure sign that imminent action is planned to seize positions in the Strait of Hormuz, or face down the Iranians with a serious threat of war.

Indeed, this nation will be at the brink of a much larger war.

And just months before the election, if not simultaneously.

I hope to start some real discussion about this because I think a few scenarios are possible.

One is that this administration will leave us with yet another burden, and perhaps the most grave, serious one yet. I know that a lot of analysis has been dedicated to strategic deployments in the past, but this one is important because it will be their last one, their last real chance to bring all the plans together.

Another scenario is that we might see an extraordinary usurpation of power and further defilement of the Constitution by this administration, which is truly unprecedented and an insult to the laws of the land, as we've already seen this administration repeal two of the liberties guaranteed to us by the Bill of Rights.

In the first case, how will either of the candidates respond to such a crisis, should it occur?

Will Obama inherit a new war, and be handcuffed both by the neo-cons and his own statements about the U.S. remaining loyal to Israel for "600 years?"

Will either candidate be inevitably forced to institute a draft?

Is conflict with Iran really manageable in the sense that military planners believe it to be? The messages from the Pentagon and the State Department are contradictory. If Iran truly possesses nuclear know-how and materials, and supports worldwide Jihad, then is it not possible that they've already planted materials and cells in either the domestic U.S. or Israel?

And will this administration concede power to the newly elected president, whoever that may be, contrary to it's own statements?

Let's not forget how Bush Co. gained power in 2000, and no, it was not Ralph Nader's fault, it was because an election was corrupted and the people of Florida defrauded, and the Court was complicit in that theft, thinking that people would rather have good news and a return to the mall rather than justice.

And do we not also know from the irregularities in Ohio in 2004 that the criminal elements operating our government, with their talent for dirty tactics and sheer lust for power, must not be taken lightly? I think it is incorrect to attribute rightfully conceived suspicions surrounding the behavior of this government during past elections solely to the realm of fantasy, to simply dismiss all of the evidence we have regarding this rampant corruption because it is often endorsed by overly eager liberal paranoiacs. The fact is, these are very, very, cruel, inhumane, and intelligent creatures we're talking about, who are truly capable of almost any action if it will preserve their ability to exercise power.

I think we should be preparing for a unique, unprecedented Constitutional showdown this year, judging from both the escalating situation with Iran, which is going along as planned, and the challenges that another conflict will pose to a newly elected president, who might then have to face a criminal executive.

While the Democrats have remained timid on impeachment, perhaps some kind of proceedings need to be aimed at this administration, to shackle them from abusing our forms of government any longer and to prevent them from walking brazenly into yet another crisis, largely of their own making.

I believe that this country faces, for the first time since the Cuban missile crisis, the serious threat of global catastrophe involving the widespread use of nuclear weapons, and more startlingly, that in the event of just such a crisis, the lives of the domestic population and the letter of the law will rely solely on the "pleasure of the president" and his advisor's seemingly limitless talent for embracing the sadistic and absurd.

Enough of the regurgitated, TV pundit-inspired, psychobabble. The primaries are all but over. What must we demand from the next president? And what can we do to restrain President Cheney?

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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 07:51 AM
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63. Here's the links to dkos...
Edited on Tue May-20-08 07:54 AM by Junkdrawer
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:24 PM
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:38 PM
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20. Until this post I never heard of Mark Crispin Miller, so for others who
...are also uninformed, here is some information on Mark:

<snip>
Mark Crispin Miller is professor of media studies at New York University and the author of the book: Fooled Again, How the Right Stole the 2004 Elections. He is known for his writing on American media and for his activism on behalf of democratic media reform. His books include Boxed In: The Culture of TV, Seeing Through Movies, and Mad Scientists, a study of war propaganda.

Miller writes in his book, Fooled Again, that the 2000 U.S. Presidential election and 2004 U.S. Presidential election were "stolen". Miller presents extensive documentation, backed by 56 pages of notes, supporting his contention that the outcome of both elections was altered and controlled by a small minority. He states that the American voting populace can no longer assume that their votes will be accurately assessed, and that the installation of electronic voting machines in state after state is a fundamental flaw in the U.S. electoral system. He appeared in the 2004 documentary Orwell Rolls in His Grave, which focuses on the hidden mechanics of the media, its role as it should be and what it actually is, and how it shapes (to the point of almost controlling) U.S. politics.

He is a signatory to the 9/11 Truth Statement. <1>

His new book Loser Take All: Election Fraud and the Subversion of Democracy 2000-2008, due out in April, covers U.S. election fraud and its acceptance in those years.

<MORE>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Crispin_Miller
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SlingBlade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:03 PM
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21. Mark Crispin Miller’s Logic is impeccable K&R
They really are, capable of ANYTHING !
And what ever did happen to those “Missing Nukes” ?

:nuke: Jericho Anyone ?:nuke:
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:08 PM
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26. Bingo, Jericho was a survival manual, probably why it was cancelled.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 04:34 PM
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100. Scary thought
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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:04 PM
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22. Miller on the radio today - 5.19.2008
http://216.240.133.177/archives32/Chossudovsky/2008/05/Chossudovsky_051908_120000.mp3

"Mark Crispin Miller is a noted media activist, critic, and writer on modern propaganda, history and tactics of advertising, American film, and media ownership. He's also Professor of Media Ecology (studies in communication) at New York University's Steinhardt School of Culture, Education, and Human Development. He's written numerous books, including Cruel and Unusual: Bush/Cheney's New World Order, Fooled Again: How the Right Stole the 2004 Elections, and his newest as editor, Loser Take All: Election Fraud and the Subversion of Democracy. Miller also has an active blog site, www.markcrispinmiller.blogspot.com - News From Underground."

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8983
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 01:50 AM
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52. thanks for the link--i'm playing it now. n/t
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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 07:22 AM
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60. Commercial Free Version here:
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wowimthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:46 PM
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24. Correct! K&R! Republicans cannot win any other way but by cheating...
Gore won. Kerry won. Perceptions were conjured to create reasoning. These elections were stolen in 2000 and 2004. Democrats lost by being the party of too little too late. 2008. Not this time. Obama is smarter.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:46 PM
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25. his premise that McCain can't win legitimately is false
in fact, McCain has some strong points, such as his heroism in Vietnam, his appeal to moderates, and the media's friendliness toward him.

I think he's toast because of Bush and the republicans, because conservatives won't be motivated to get out for him, and because of McCain's own flip-flops, and because of the general problems of the republicans.

But Miller is basing his whole thing on the idea that McCain can't possibly win, which is just false.
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:22 PM
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27. Are You Kidding?
McCain has 0 chance. We have turned out 3-1 to vote in this primary. We have millions of new voters registered.

Stop drinking the Repuke Kool-Aid. Stop listening to the MSM. The REAL polls aren't close at all. The polls they are feeding us don't take into account the HUGE number of Dems voting.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:37 PM
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29. that kind of sloppy thinking is what Miller is taking advantage of
and yes, I think Miller is being grossly and deliberately deceptive.

You are listing reasons why you think McCain is at a great disadvantage, all of which I agree with.

That is very different from saying McCain has no chance of winning, but Miller knows that a lot of very partisan people won't grasp that huge difference, and so will buy his argument.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:38 PM
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46. Yeah, to sell books. "truths about what is to come" ROFLMAO Glass ball paranoia
and negativity appeals to ignorance and emotion.
This is an old trick, combine a bunch of good point with some total CRAP! The future is unknown, not a truth!

The election system is improved, not in "even greater shambles"
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eagertolearn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:52 AM
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70. And how many republicans do you know who will vote repub in Nov. ?
I see so much dissatisfaction among the republicans. You've got Ron Paul who may run independent. You've got repugs loosing special elections as we speak. The only way McCain can win is through another corrupt election. Thats why Mark is right we have to win by a huge margin. War with Iran, marshall law these are all very obvious moves already talked about by others. This is reality. We can't keep our eyes closed.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:04 AM
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72. you don't grasp Miller's deception either
he knows that partisan people will be open to the very convincing arguments that McCain is at a disadvantage against Obama. Which I agree with. I think McCain is toast.

But Miller doesn't say Obama is a weak candidate, he says that McCain has no chance. He states it like it's a truism. This is utterly false. And to use it as the premise for his conspiracy theory is just ridiculous.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 02:24 AM
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53. The Only Way that McSame & Co. Can Beat Obama in the GE is by Stealing It
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 03:53 AM
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54. Enrique - I have to admit you have a point there
Looking at national polls and State-level polls, it looks like John McCain has a good chance of winning the election in November. We might not like it, but that's what most polls are showing.

It's a shame that Miller makes this claim that McCain "cannot win a legitimate election", because it undermines a lot of the other valid points that he includes in this monologue.
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Serial Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 07:30 AM
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61. Heroism in Vietnam????
Edited on Tue May-20-08 07:31 AM by cmt928
So flying over cities, bombing the so-called enemy along with many innocent men, women and children, then flying back to a safe ship is heroism? Or is being shot down and becoming a POW heroism?

Come on, look up the definition! He was what many on the ground in Vietnam called a FLY BOY - somebody who did NOT KNOW what was happening on the ground to the troops!

Being a POW does not make him a hero NOR DOES IT GIVE HIM ANY FOREIGN POLICY EXPERIENCE!
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:50 AM
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69. yeah, McCain was a hero
denying it is as shabby as denying Kerry's heroism.
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:28 PM
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28. Me and
Millions of others have been alert about 9/11 and where has that gotten us? Proof of Thermite at ground zero. Nothing has been done other than make 9/11 truthers look like lunatics. They took over our country that day and almost 7 years later nobody has been found guilty of anything concerning 9/11 except false terrorist. And now with Osama Bin Laden tapes (probably fake) another 9/11 could be on the horizon. And like last time they will get away with it. But I fear this time it is going to be worse. Worse to the point of declaring Martial Law including closing the house and senate. Including shutting down the internets and the google. And only Fixed News will be able to get a signal to spew shit across the country. I wish we could persuade other countries to help us get rid of the terrorist that rule us now rather than after the fact. We need other countries to speak up about 9/11 and see it for what it is. A Power Grab. 9/11 brought other countries into the War on Terror so they have every right to investigate and oversee this process. For their own good as well as ours somebody better get on the ball before we no longer have any way of communicating with others to find out what is going on in the world. And also will China have a margin call for us after the terrible earthquake they had? It wouldn't surprise me if Bush gives the US to China and he moves to Paraguay and since we have no real news we wouldn't even know we are going to be invaded.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:46 PM
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30. Constant vigilence.
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Holly_Hobby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 06:47 PM
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33. Honest question
Elections are a state thing, aren't they? How could Bush stop an election that's state-run
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Butch350 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 07:55 PM
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36. Whaaaaat?
Edited on Mon May-19-08 07:56 PM by Butch350
There are republicans out there in those states. There are republicans out there in polling places too you know.

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Holly_Hobby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:11 PM
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37. I wasn't clear, I apologize
How can a President stop an election, which is run by the States? He doesn't have jurisdiction, does he?
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:54 AM
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71. Executive Directive 51 (see post 17 above)..
In the event that the implementation of Executive Directive 51 is judged appropriate, national elections are to be postponed indefinitely.

Until order is restored.

In the president's opinion.
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rambler_american Donating Member (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:16 PM
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39. Martial Law nt
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Butch350 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 07:52 PM
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35. It Is Strange...

That the conservative party would run a guy, (mccain), in the race for president that a blind muskrat could beat.

I'm confident The Conservative Party will pull some god awful shananigan to sway the vote in their favor.

Just keep watching the news as we get closer and closer to november.
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:48 PM
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41.  Even the ReichWing is Scared. - Here's one from the Right - same subject
Edited on Mon May-19-08 09:49 PM by Phred42
Here's one from the Right - same subject

Even the ReichWing is Scared. This guy is one of the original Swiftboat group and Ph.D. in Political Science from Harvard University in 1972, and has since published several works on political protest and terrorism. His 1972 dissertation was titled Prior Restraint, Prior Punishment, and Political Dissent; a Moral and Legal Evaluation.

Video:

Bush / Cheney to Attempt Possible Coup

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3dAnSMzUlo&feature=related

This Interview was on C-SPAN with Right Winger Jerome Corsi of the right wing Worldnet Daily.
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:14 PM
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45. Wow, that's really something,
seeing such a conservative saying almost the exact same thing as Miller. I'd love to see with both of them being interviewed together by Moyers, that would make pretty powerful argument that might play with both the left and right.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 05:50 AM
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58. not just any conservative
Corsi is a leader of the Swift Boat Vets and author of the lying "Unfit for Command."

Yes, I agree this conspiracy garbage sells lots of books on both left and right.
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 07:53 AM
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64. You're right. These two with Moyers - That would be a Huge event
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 05:48 AM
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57. "even the right wing" ?
no reason to be surprised, the RW has always had their paranoid fantasies. Remember the militia movement and the black helicopters?
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 07:56 AM
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65. The point of course is that they Seem to agree on this particular bit of paranoia
To have the True Left and the true Reich parallel each other on such a potential catastrophic event should at least make you stop and think (and maybe prepare yourself) - if only for a moment.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 11:16 PM
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93. You may be dissing Corsi --
but he's telling it like it is regarding this directive. Don't discount the information because of the messenger.
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mls Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:42 PM
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42. United Technologies has been trying to buy Diebold
Now why would a defense contractor and major donor to political campaigns want to purchase a company that makes vote counting machines? Hmmm...http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/do-you-want-the-military-industrial-complex-counting-your-votes/
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:52 PM
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48. my god. thanks for posting this, reprehensor
i really like mcm--i trust him.

and this video (along w/part 2) chills me to the fucking bone.

and he's got a great, basic point: they can't afford to lose.

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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 12:20 AM
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49. k&r nt
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santamargarita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 04:37 AM
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55. I believe him!
K&R
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caseycoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 05:06 AM
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56. K&R All very possible
And don't forget Blackwater when it comes to gunning people down.
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 07:49 AM
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62. Resistance? What specific actions is Miller suggesting here?
Edited on Tue May-20-08 08:06 AM by boloboffin
ETA: To anyone here who seriously is considering that there will be no transfer of power in January 2009, I promise to do your toilet scrubbing duties in the FEMA relocation camps if you will promise to come back here when President Obama is sworn in and admit that this is all a bunch of dark fantasies.
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uberllama42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:34 AM
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68. I think it's pretty clear that he does not mention specific actions
Perhaps he is intentionally vague, but from the tone of his voice and the context I think it's likely that he is advocating violent resistance in the event that martial law is imposed. Do you feel morally vindicated now that someone has admitted that?

It's clear that Miller is uncomfortable with the prospect of violence. He acknowledges that the contingencies that he is talking about are far-fetched. But it's at least possible that a group of people with so little respect for the rule of law and for electoral legitimacy might try to hold on to power. Am I stockpiling guns and canned food, waiting for them to impose martial law? No, I think it's highly unlikely that martial law will be implemented. I don't think it's reprehensible to suggest that an illegitimate government which uses violence against its citizens justifies violent resistance. That it merely self-defense.

Do I advocate violence against the Bush administration as it stands? Absolutely not. For years I have been opposed to the declaration that the Bush regime is a fascist regime, precisely because it does not use force against the public to maintain order. In the unlikely event that that changed, however, self-defense would be justified.

Don't worry about toilet duty; you're right that the situation probably won't come up. But it's reasonable at least to think about the possibility. It's remote but not inconceivable.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 07:09 PM
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77. He's not "advocating violent resistance" QUITE the opposite. He's advocating developing a SMART
reaction NOW -- using the legal system. We have to act so as not to be blindsided to election theft: that means putting in place the mechanism to fight back within the system.

If Kerry had kept his promise to demand an audit/recount/examination of Ohio, we'd already have precedent and procedure in place to address election problems. We basically have to build this from the ground up, should they use black box voting or rig the vote.

That Kerry didn't ask for an examination of Ohio has weakened our ability to conceptualize a response to election theft other than "violent resistance" or dummying-up. It's like, that's all we know. Sad.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 07:12 PM
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78. HERE'S YOUR SPECIFIC ACTIONS:
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 07:14 PM
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79. DEMAND access to Presidential Directive 20 (also known as NSPD-51)
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 07:15 PM
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80. DEMAND "No Immunity for Telecomms!


As of this writing, DeFazio, Thompson, and the other 433 members of the House are debating the so-called Protect America Act, after a similar bill passed in the Senate. Despite its name, the act offers no protection for U.S. citizens; instead, it would immunize from litigation U.S. telecom giants for colluding with the government in the surveillance of Americans to feed the hungry maw of databases like Main Core. The Protect America Act would legalize programs that appear to be unconstitutional.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 07:16 PM
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81. DEMAND Lierberman be RELIEVED of his Chairmanship of the Homeland Security Committee
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 07:18 PM
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82. DEMAND Deauthorization of NORTHCOMM

More troubling, in 2002, Congress authorized funding for the U.S. Northern Command, or NORTHCOM, which, according to Washington Post military intelligence
expert William Arkin, "allows for emergency military operations in the United States without civilian supervision or control."

"We are at the edge of a cliff and we're about to fall off," says constitutional lawyer and former Reagan administration official Bruce Fein. "To a national emergency planner, everybody looks like a danger to stability. There's no doubt that Congress would have the authority to denounce all this—for example, to refuse to appropriate money for the preparation of a list of U.S. citizens to be detained in the event of martial law. But Congress is the invertebrate branch. They say, 'We have to be cautious.' The same old crap you associate with cowards. None of this will change under a Democratic administration, unless you have exceptional statesmanship and the courage to stand up and say, 'You know, democracies accept certain risks that tyrannies do not.' "
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 07:19 PM
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83. DEMAND Audited, verified voting
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:10 AM
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67. I appreciate the message of us needing to stay alert, but...
in reality, Ohio has been increasingly cleaned up under a Democratic SOS, and election personnel around most of the country, I am certain, will do their jobs honorably. There will be patches of problems, but I don't think it's going to be nearly enough to stop the tidal wave of Obama.

As for this regime declaring martial law, I don't see that happening either. I am confident that the Republican Party wants to see Bush gone in an orderly fashion according to the Constitution they commonly say they strictly support, and that higher-ups in their party are in the acceptance mode of Democrats having power for four years (in their thinking) while they regroup. They are not interested in tearing down the country to maintain power -- their business base would suffer too much for that to even be a consideration.

That said, the GOP is most likely interested in playing mind tricks on the American people to try to convince them to stick with Republicans. They will try to dredge up Obama's relations with particular figures again. They will attempt to play the fear card again. Bush will do even heavier saber-rattling with respect to Iran, and may even conduct pin-prick strikes on facilities there. Osama bin Laden will rear his ugly head again, mysteriously. They will even try some racial smears.

However, the GOP knows it can't steal this one. But they hope that they can manipulate the American people into at least making it a closer race than it should be. They will rationalize that Obama can win (for now), but as long as his mandate is minimized as much as possible.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:29 PM
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84. "They are not interested in tearing down the country to maintain power" -- what, in your experience,
Edited on Tue May-20-08 08:30 PM by nashville_brook
of this administration, has given you this impression?
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:01 AM
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87. I said that the GOP isn't interested in that, and they will ensure Bush is out in 2009. n/t
n/t
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:38 AM
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73. K&R...I was just preparing to post this! Here's part 2:
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 12:54 PM
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75. I have been finding information to support Crispin's concerns
First, found this:

snip:
According to Pentagon officials referring to a classified military document:
"Another attack could create both a justification and an opportunity that is lacking today to retaliate against some known targets , according to current and former defense officials familiar with the plan." (WP 23 April 2006).

The above Pentagon statement suggests that a "Second 911" attack characterized by a "mass casualty producing event" is part of military doctrine and planning. A real "false flag" attack or even the threat of a terrorist attack could be used as a justification to wage war on Iran.

In the month following the 2005 7/7 London bombings, Vice President Dick Cheney is reported to have instructed USSTRATCOM to draw up a contingency plan "to be employed in response to another 9/11-type terrorist attack on the United States". Implied in the contingency plan is the certainty that Iran would be behind a Second 9/11."

source:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=6997
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and most importantly...
Continuity Of Government Drill Run In DC
( May 7, 2008)

"This week's "continuity of government" drill is one of the largest by the federal government since 9/11, officials said. It is part of a national eight-day exercise in which officials are responding to a cascade of nightmarish events. The drill started Thursday, with terrorists sabotaging a tanker carrying poisonous gas in Washington state."
link here:
http://www.roguegovernment.com/news.php?id=8962
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Secret Government database:
"According to a senior government official who served with high-level security clearances in five administrations, "There exists a database of Americans, who, often for the slightest and most trivial reason, are considered unfriendly, and who, in a time of panic, might be incarcerated. The database can identify and locate perceived 'enemies of the state' almost instantaneously." He and other sources tell Radar that the database is sometimes referred to by the code name Main Core. One knowledgeable source claims that 8 million Americans are now listed in Main Core as potentially suspect. In the event of a national emergency, these people could be subject to everything from heightened surveillance and tracking to direct questioning and possibly even detention."

Google: Main Core
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also found on the net, stories on Russia, Japan, Canada and other countries
running the same type drills, in conjunction with USA. for the past several years.

and lastly, this link:

http://www.roguegovernment.com/news.php?id=9221


I am going to crawl under bed now..where's my blankie???

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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 07:12 AM
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88. Thanks for the links
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 05:30 PM
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76. Kick
:kick:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:16 PM
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86. I have purposely avoided this thread
We've known this for so long but it's very difficult to hear Mark say the words


I am so blue

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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 12:08 AM
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94. me too
Edited on Wed May-28-08 12:08 AM by libnnc
bookmarking anywhoo

:-(
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 09:44 AM
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90. Keeping this visible
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 07:06 AM
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91. Again
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 06:47 AM
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92. And yet again
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 10:26 AM
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95. and again
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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 04:41 PM
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96. MCM on Malloy 5.29.2008
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 06:13 AM
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97. Keeping this visible
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 05:53 AM
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98. Bump
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 07:30 PM
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99. Still here
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 11:03 AM
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101. well....
:kick:
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 07:58 AM
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102. Yep
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