Lets not WAIT for Impeachment. Lets throw them out now.

[benburch]

I think we should all get in our cars, get on trains, rent busses, go to DC, and exercise our rights to Petition the Government for Redress and peacefully occupy the entire city and keep anything from happening there until the whole Bush Administration resigns. The whole fucking thing. Top to bottom.

The worlds biggest flash mob.

[liberal N proud]

1. America Storms the White House to remove the corrupt regime

Any where else it would have happened already.

[MadisonProgressive]

21. Make sure Gore get's up on a tank!

[KansDem]

100. Sort of like storming the Bastille... in reverse...

This would be letting people out to put in prison.

[Radio_Guy]

2. Not a bad idea

Imagine the same number of people that marched through L.A. showing up at the White House gates.

[sable302]

5. what the hell would they do?

Nothing could stop a million people from going and doing wherever the hell they wanted to. It's a very scary thought.

[helderheid]

3. MOSH

[shadowknows69]

30. MOSH Now or die

"If I get sniped tonight you'll know why, cause I told you to fight."

[AuntiBush]

69. MOSH

Really...

[helderheid]

73. watch the video if you haven't

http://www.gnn.tv/videos/viewer.php?id=28&spd=hi

[Imagevision]

88. LA. cops reacted accordingly to mexican protests surprisingly

LA. cops are like gustopo's, but when there are large numbers of people banding together, obviously when your non-violence and the camera's are rolling you got a shot at the title...

[helderheid]

70. Thanks

http://www.gnn.tv/videos/viewer.php?id=28&spd=hi

[kiteinthewind]

90. I LOVE that song!! I listened to it repeatedly before heading

to DC in Jan '05 (for the counter-inaugural) and last Sept. for the Stop the War march!! There is something very motivating about it, and I always have to remind people that he's not advocating violence, only civil disobedience!
BTW, how's the $17.76 campaign? I still haven't heard from Pamela. Do you know anyone in the DC area?
:hi:

[5X]

4. I am broke, but I would pull money out of savings...

and take a bus.
Nothing is more important than ridding
this country of the lying, pre-emptive warring,
nuke-mongering, murdering regime.

[LeftHander]

6. LETS DO IT! - nt

[poverlay]

7. Count me in... n.t.

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[benburch]

10. Now now, no violence!

A massive occupation of the capitol by peaceful Americans exercising their Rights to redress ought to be sufficient!!!

If they are going to use force against us, make them use force against PEACEFUL petitioners.

This isn't even a protest. This is citizens using a constitutional right that is rarely used.

[PublicWrath]

22. I don't think they'd be able to do much about it.......

A million+ sincere and hopefully orderly citizens showing up to glare at them (peacefully) is not an insurrection.
They would think long and hard about Kent State and Tianenmon Square before they used force against a peaceful gathering. I think they'd try to just wait us out.

Four dead in O-HI-O wasn't very good publicity for 'em last time.

[Bucky]

68. Right, Kent State was bad for them. So was Seattle. & Miami. & Houston...

Somehow I get the feeling Mr Cheney would be all too willing to order a few heads cracked if it could help show swing voters how badly they need to curtail the Bill of Rights.

[Xithras]

9. July 28, 1932...it's been tried before.

FYI, Washington DC is considered federal property and is the only part of the United States where the Posse Comitatus Act does not apply. At the first sign of "insurrection" in DC, the pResident is legally permitted to call in the military and forcibly evict you from the area. The last time a large group actually tried to stage any kind of rebellion or large scale shutdown in DC, a bunch of people ended up dead (tragically, mostly children and babies who were overcome by tear gas).

Bush is a far more evil person than Hoover, so I wouldn't expect anything different.

[benburch]

11. Then let them shoot me first. nt

[havocmom]

17. Nope, you get behind my, youngster!

Let us geezers be the shock troops in front.

[benburch]

19. I bet we're nearly the same age. nt

[havocmom]

28. Bet my bones are older

And I make a sweet target... railing and waving my cane in the air!

Edited to add: I have a camp stove and can't cook much of anything in small quantitites. We can set up a mess area.

[AuntiBush]

71. I'll Join You...

if I have to crawl at this point. "Can't believe we have to do this again, huh!"

[EstimatedProphet]

81. I'll help you cook

[5X]

12. Would it be worth the risk? Is it worth it to our troops

that are supposedly fighting for our freedoms?
Is the idea of the US worth fighting for?

I say it is. I say it is worth it to save the
countless lives of our soldiers and the Iraqi
people. I say it is worth it to stop world war 3
from starting when we attack Iran.

[Xithras]

58. It's only worth the risk if it has a chance of succeeding.

Aside from the obvious threat to life and limb (and * has a notoriously short temper), there's another question to be asked...does this actually have a chance at accomplishing anything?

Lock down DC, and * will be on a chopper out of the city before you jump the fence and make it halfway across the Rose Garden. Once out of there, he can still run the country from Air Force One or any number of military installations and bunker sites. Congress as well has a handful of alternate sites they can meet at.

My worry is that * would use something like this as a pretense to declare martial law.

[ldf]

105. and then the media doesn't report it and

walla! IT NEVER HAPPENED!

but you can count me in.

[KAT119]

84. Scwartzenegger had tanks in side streets last year during LA Peace March!!

I can readily imagine * circling the WH w/ tanks & opening fire....Helicopters overhead w/ missles, ear piercing new weapons they are v. proud about. We would have to be ready to die for liberty like Patrick Henry.

Another idea is for NO ONE to pay their income taxes on April 15th. Boycotts work-esp. when big $$$ is involved. Why should we support the corporate/gov't evil??

OR-everyone stay HOME for 2-3 weeks. No work, or purchases or trades of any kind. Go to your keyboards & stay resolute. Hands in pockets. This also would work and would perhaps only require 15-20 million irate Americans who have lost key liberties-jobs outsourced-relatives dying in illegal, immoral wars-our planet being destroyed-dollar collapsing in trillions of dollars of all time record debt. Social Security Fund is rumoured to be emptied--etc.etc.etc.

Any more ideas...hopefully we can remove these mass murderers BEFORE they strike again & it may then be too late!!

[Cleita]

13. All who can should, but herding cats comes to mind. n/t

[lonestarnot]

14. I'm a cat... throw him out on the lawn!

Is this a DU insurrection? And here is another good reason: http://www.insidebayarea.com/trivalleyherald/news/ci_3678818

[Bonhomme Richard]

15. For that... I'd go. n/t

[5X]

16. A couple of more people need to vote this thread up. n/t

[GrpCaptMandrake]

18. Done! n/t

[MadisonProgressive]

20. If there was really a way to coordinate that - I'd be right at the rear!

[KAZ]

23. NOW! Our forefathers are watching.

We've been given so much from those who have come before. We can't let them down.

[Catamount]

24. I'm already there!

(well at least in spirit)
Could we really pull this off?
Mobilizing the masses hasn't been easy lately---but we should do it!
K&R

[PublicWrath]

27. I think it will happen, sooner or later, maybe quite spontaneously

If just one more ugly thing comes out, people will start showing up in masses. Just one more unbearable thing. I think it would have to be something hideous, though, like Abu Ghraib.

[Bucky]

25. With all due respect, that's a stupid idea

We have a Constitution. Let's use it. More importantly, this has MAJORLY fucked Bush for the midterms. Besides the fact that a Republican Congress won't act on this, it's the best campaign issue we could get, give Bush's rep for being dishonest and a screw up.

[5X]

26. Yeah, ok, lets just sit back and wait, that works, NOT. n/t

[Bucky]

41. You clearly didn't read my post. This is an AWESOME election issue.

Bush has done all the damage he can do. Handle this right, and he's dead in the water as an opinion leader of even the Right. I like those odds. I like what those do to the coming elections. Sit still? NEVER. Play it smart is always my advice.

[ldf]

106. so, we all play nice

and go vote, but the media, a few days before the election starts releasing these polls that say americans are reconsidering, and republican poll numbers are going up, the race is tight......

and we all go vote on the machines manufactured by the republican party.

yeah, that sounds like a sure fire winner to me.

and, of course, since there is no way to verify votes, there is not a damn thing we can do about it....

except all go to washington, en masse, and do what we should have already done.

except now, with the media shouting that we are trying to OVERTURN the election, we will get great traction.

THEN the media will show the most hair-brained amongst us demonstrators, as proof that we are nothing but a bunch of freakish america haters.

why do i feel so hopeless?

edit for spelling

[AuntiBush]

72. Yup. It's been working pretty well thus far...

:sarcasm:

[Catamount]

29. Shrub is busy destroying the big C, every single day and those

pesky little checks and balances are now in the hands of Diebold and others.
How do you suppose we can use the Constitution then, as things stand now?

[Bucky]

40. The OP is suggesting NOT using the Big C. Go to Washington? Yes. Coup? No.

Sorry, but we still have elections and we still have options and we still have hands and eyes and hearts and feet. When those are gone, we fight. When there is still law and all options are not exhausted, we don't fight. Seems like I've telling people that a LOT these past few years. Please be different and listen.

[benburch]

42. Bullshit.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

What I suggest we do it the very essence of Constitutionality.

Or hadn't you ever read that part?

[Bucky]

65. Your sarcasm, while clever, is ignorant. Actually, it's not really clever.

First I refer you to the OP:

I think we should all get in our cars, get on trains, rent busses, go to DC, and exercise our rights to Petition the Government for Redress and peacefully occupy the entire city and keep anything from happening there until the whole Bush Administration resigns. The whole fucking thing. Top to bottom.

"Peacefully" occupying the city and keeping anything from happening is not what the Constitution is referring to as "the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." Principally because it's not actually an example of being peaceful. That is a description of nonviolent resistance. Now I certainly don't disagree with nonviolent resistance. It's a valuable tool and there are certainly times it's appropriate. But it needs to happen only when the system has been shown not to work.

While you're reading the Constitution, you might wanna pick up some Gandhi, King, or Thoreau and see what the threshhold is for resisting the system from without. It's not while the system is still in process. To go storming into Washington now to shut down the city as the OP suggests, now just when the lawful prosecution of the administration is starting to kick into gear, is self defeating. In effect, it would be little more than an impudent temper tantrum. A tantrum kind of like the childish suggestion that someone hasn't read the Constitition just because you disagree with them.

But worse than being an anti-social insurrection at a time when the legal proceedings are working for our side and in our favor, and at a time when the non-anti-social public is starting to turn decisively toward our party, calling for a governmental shut down is crappy marketing. It will turn off swing voters and discourage new voters. And it might even give the administration an excuse to crack down on dissidents and whip reluctant moderates back into his column.

You may believe a proposal for a massive shut down of the federal government is "the very essence of Constitutionality." But it's still the essense of a dumb idea.

Next, I refer you to my post, which you pronounced as "bullshit." Perhaps you didn't understand what my title line meant when I wrote "Go to Washington? Yes." I'll try to simplify it for you. That means, yes, do go to Washington. Perhaps you didn't understand that by "go to Washington" I am favoring peaceably assembling to petitition the government. But if you think this thru carefully, I'm sure you'll see that that's exactly what it means.

What I suspect got you to dismiss my post as bullshit, however, is my comment "Coup? No." But if you think that is bullshit, then you might want to look up what the phrase "peaceably to assemble" means. A demonstration against a corrupt party controlling our government is peaceful. That's what we should do. But even a nonviolent insurrection is not protected by the Constitution.

[benburch]

75. I guess you think Concord and Lexington were bad ideas too?

I couldn't disagree with you more.

And a million on the streets of DC could not fail to shut down government work just by being there, or hadn't you considered that?

I've been there with about 150,000, and that came close to ending any pretext of useful work in the city.

[Bucky]

87. I'll line up with Sam Adams, George Washington, Patrick Henry...

...and a whole generation of patriots who saw a world of difference between rebelling against foreign rule, as they did at Lexington and Concord, and rebelling against a duly constituted, frame of American government. As long as the system is working and open to popular pressure, it is right to work in the system to apply pressure for the right outcome and it is wrong to try and tear the system down as you seem to propose. We got rid of Nixon by demonstrations, not by rebellion. The heroes were lawyers and the only bullets were ballots, words, public opinion polls, and people gathering peacefully to support the country, not hijack it.

But I see that we're going to disagree here. I will only advise that you watch and always remember these coming months. You won't see Bush driven from office. You'll see something even better. You'll see an electorate between now and November finally (finally!) forcing their representatives to grow backbones and kicking record numbers of Republicans out. You'll see Republican rats like Libby jumping ship and backstabbing their way to clear ground and trying to act like they never abandoned the Bill of Rights. This will be a historical election, if we hold the Dems' feet to the fire. That's what I call people power--not just fucking up a bureaucrat's commute to work for one day.

[benburch]

93. Britain was not foreign rule. America was part of Britain.

Unless you suggest that Hawaii is being ruled by foreigners???

[Bucky]

94. Americans in the mid 1700s did NOT think they were part of Britain.

You don't get to just make up facts in the middle of an argument.

American revolutionaries consistantly referred to rule from overseas as rule from outside their own country. They thought of themselves as Viginians, Carolinians, New Hampshirites, Yorkers, etc. They thought of their respective colonies as their countries, just like the Irish did (they rebelled in 1798, but lost) and some Scottish nationalists did in their rebellion of 1745 (also lost, tho the story is more complicated than just that).

I don't think Hawaii is ruled by foreigners. It's rule by the Hawaiian voters. See, not being able to vote is one of those justifications for insurrection I was talking about. Google "no taxation without representation" for more insight on this topic.

Finding out that the president committed a crime is NOT a justification for insurrection (until he proves willing to break the law to avoid prosecution, of course).

[Zen Democrat]

79. Do you disregard the Declaration of Independence? eom

[novalib]

31. Keep Anything From Happening?

I would hope that we would let some things happen in Dc.

Like payment of Veteran's Benefits.

And payment of social security.

And lots of other stuff.

Let's not completely paralyze the government. The Government does lots of good things.

[benburch]

32. Those things don't happen in DC.

Those are all mailed out from computer centers far, far away from DC.

[Karenca]

33. Please make a list of all the good things B*sh has done........

If that's too hard....
list:
ONE
GOOD
THING!!!!

[Bucky]

67. Re read the post. Novalibr was not praising Bush.

Bush is not responsible for paying of Veteran's Benefits (which is, yes, a good thing) or paying social security (another good thing). Bush is actually against these things. By trying to shut down the government, you'd be fulfilling Bush and Rove's dreams. I simply don't understand the need of some people on this board to attack fellow Democrats when they don't hop on board for the most extreme and counterproductive expressions of Bush hatred.

I dislike the president. But I'm not so hateful of him that I'm willing to fuck up payments to social security and veterans and research grants and arts grants and education programs to express my hatred. Frankly that's the sort of shit the fundy Republicans are supposed to favor, not us.

[5X]

34. Now bush says he can wiretap domestic calls as well....

everybody ready to march yet?

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[benburch]

36. So, Benj. Franklin wasn't an adult?

Thos. Jefferson wasn't an adult?

John Adams wasn't an adult?

Hmmmm...

I guess we should give this all back to the Queen then...

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[benburch]

39. Not a coup, a capitualtion.

Make them resign, and then replace them Constitutionally.

Yes, that does mean President Denny Hastert.

But even he is not as corrupt as Bush.

[DoYouEverWonder]

48. I don't think we need to settle for Danny Hastert

Since there is no longer any doubt that the 2000 and 2004 elections both were rigged by the Republicans, it is time to put the Dems back in the WH and the Majority and start getting our house in order again. Nothing less will do. Let's just call it an 'early election'.

[Catamount]

46. I too have envisaged this! I too am very old!

What is it about us oldies?
:shrug:

[lonestarnot]

49. What about you, I'm old too, but that's not going to stop me.

[Karenca]

51. The 1960's maybe?

THE AGE OF THE INTELLECTUAL RENNAISSAINCE (sp?)

That era stays in my mind and my heart.
(tho I was just a little young to be really in the middle of it).

[Catamount]

54. Just call me Mom !

I agree,(about the sixties) and I like your terminology--- the Enlightment years!
It's our duty to pass it on now--don't you think?

[Karenca]

55. I'm trying to get my 22 year old to march at the protest April 29th

He's a Liberal through and through,
yet I can't seem to get him involved with activities
such as
protests
letter writing campaigns, etc.

sigh

[Catamount]

56. Whatcha gonna do!

Just setting a good example is really all you can do!
Keep it up!
Don't despair!
:kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick:

[AuntiBush]

74. Aw

Catamount knows history. If one has not heard of the Enlightenment era, google it.

On note to original post, I think a peaceful protest is our Constitutional Right, not violent, but with signs.

[Dora]

37. Yes. yes. Yes. Yes. yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Yes.

[HamdenRice]

43. But don't we need the ANSWER Coalition to lead us ... so

So the message of the march could be "sharpened" to be mainly about differently-abled Palestinian lesbians who are denied custody rights in the rain forests of East Timor?

[benburch]

45. AMEN.

ANSWER is part of the reason we still have BUSH.

[stevietheman]

60. Yep, A.N.S.W.E.R. is I.N.S.A.N.E. n/t

n/t

[benburch]

62. If I never hear the name "Mumia" again.

It will be too soon.

:puke:

[Jersey Devil]

44. Let's just go to the windows and yell

"I'm mad as Hell and I'm not going to take this anymore!"

[lovuian]

47. We will in 2006

Democrats take over House and Senate!!!

[benburch]

50. If the votes get counted.

Which I am not betting on at this time.

[Swamp Rat]

52. KICK THE MUTHERFUCKERS OUT NOW!!!!!!!!!!

For those who can't go that far away, we should all do something locally this weekend!!!

:patriot:

[Geek_Girl]

53. I think It will take more than DUers to pull this off

We need something organized as well as the Million Man March.

[Catamount]

57. You're right....perhaps this is the start! n/t

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[benburch]

61. Surround it like we surrounded his Ranch.

Make it impossible for him to live there. Make it impossible for the government to conduct business. No need to storm the White House! A million people in the streets will do the trick.

[stevietheman]

63. Possibly. But Bush will just have food/things helicoptered in.

...Or, use his underground tunnels. Heh.

Yeah, a million in the streets in Washington will do something.

But I think it might be even more effective if we crowd around all the offices of the Reps and Senators around the entire country, and basically continuously yell "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!"

[Maraya1969]

64. It could work if we ask "Impeach Bush" "Move On" and the hundreds

of grass root organizations that want the exact thing to happen. Oh yea, "World can't wait" is one.

[ZRB]

66. Kicked and nominated!

Agreed entirely. I like the term "occupy" in the OP, because that is exactly what we need to do. We should form a human barrier around the capital and lock the fascists in.

[benburch]

77. No need for affirmative action.

Just by being there we would make it impossible to move around even though we would take no action to prevent that.

[Zorra]

76. I'm packed and ready. n/t

[Liberty Belle]

78. Unite the immigration marchers & peace groups to march for voting reforms!

The immigrants managed to do what no other progressive groups have managed -- get millions out in the streets all over America! Even the anti-war marches pale in comparison. Unite those forces, with help from MoveOn, PFAW, DFA, PDA and others, and you could have the biggest march ever.

[fooj]

80. This is what we, as Americans, are all about...

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

IMO, we've got a responsibility as Americans. Period.

Peace.

[RagingInMiami]

82. Fuck that

I'm marching with the Mexicans.

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[cascadiance]

85. And have a V for Vendetta moment on Halloween right before the election...

and get all of our V masks, our Russ Feingold masks, etc. and storm the capitol just like the movie.

If we get screwed again in the election, then the day after that we go out again and chant:

"Remember, remember, the 7th of November!"

If we still don't get anything to happen towards the end of the month, we go crowd the Supreme Court with our Sibel Edmonds masks and chant.

"Remember, remember, the 28th of November!"

[FogerRox]

86. Right on Ben, KNR

[understandinglife]

89. Every Democratic member of Congress, and any Republican members ...

... actually serving their oath of office should be at the White House at 9am EDT, 7 April 2006, demanding the immediate resignation of Bush And Cheney.

We then would begin the decades-long, arduous task of rebuilding the Republic and restoring America as a law abiding member of the community of Nations.

"The President of the United States willfully violated National Security to cover-up his willful launch of a war of aggression."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=865543&mesg_id=865543


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[kiteinthewind]

91. Ghandi said

"Civil disobedience becomes a sacred duty when the State becomes lawless and corrupt."

:patriot:

[benburch]

92. "lawless and corrupt"

Describes the present situation to a "t".

[kiteinthewind]

102. Sometimes I think this can't possibly be real, you know, people walking

around like nothing is wrong. I keep thinking I will wake up and it will just be this horrible nightmare. :cry:
Who's going to NYC on the 29th? Some of us Kansas City area DUers are flying in on Sat. morning and were hoping to come up with a central meeting location for DUers! Wouldn't it be great if we could all march together? I so look forward to our Sunday afternoon protests here in town, you know, hanging out with good and caring people who "get it". It gives me hope, when little else does. The National protests make me euphoric!! Sounds weird, I know, but I so need HOPE!! Do you think it's unrealistic to walk in block at the march?? Just a thought.
:grouphug:

[ooglymoogly]

95. one more kick won't hurt....also see V FOR VENDETTA if you need any

help deciding.

[KyndCulture]

96. Hell YES Ben... I'm in! nt

[Thtwudbeme]

97. Right there with you

when? Set a date-

[toymachines]

98. I am so there.

[BreweryYardRat]

99. Perhaps.

I say wait until after the election. If things turn out in our favor, all well and good. If they rig the vote, we go and demand a re-vote with hand-counted, voter-verified paper ballots. No matter if it takes a month to count them all.

Besides, that'll give me time to order the 8-foot pole I'm going to use as a base for all protest signs in the future. ;)

[Karenca]

101. Kick......nt

[yellowdogmi]

103. I'm with you Ben.

Please pick me up on your way through. Just north at harlem to edison park. When do we leave?

[KyndCulture]

104. Let's set a date... I'm totally down with this idea.

Let's do this. With the just posted article about nuking Iran, I'm not sure we can wait til October.

[Jack Rabbit]

107. Related discussion on impeachment

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