I don't know much about Harry Reid, but he blew it.

[rpgamerd00d]

When Frist pushed for a vote on the Censure, he should have accepted it.
Win or lose, it would have the impact we wanted - getting Repukes to vote no on record.
Now, it will get buried in committee and die, and we won't have the votes to club the repukes over the head with.

We really need a better minority leader, one that can think on his feet.

[bryant69]

1. Totally disagree

Getting Repukes to vote no on the record is meaningless if we don't have the time to educate the American people on what this is all about.

I think Reid is kind of screwed because he doesn't have a unified party, and because his party isn't in power. But within those limitations I think he does pretty well.

Bryant
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[koopie57]

9. I think you are right Bryant

Reid did something else several months ago that made me feel he was a whimp, but it turned out that after a couple weeks it was the perfect set up. I can't recall what it was, but ever since I have had faith in him cuz he is there, he knows the rumblings. But it sure is hard sometimes.

[Wheezy]

12. Could that event several months ago

have been showing support for Harriet Myers for Supreme Court?

[mattclearing]

2. Damn. You are 100% correct.

Though the Republicans would have likely beaten us to death with it on National Security grounds.

Of course, if we got five minutes on TV to explain that getting a warrant with FISA is easy, and you can do it after the fact, that argument wouldn't wash.

But getting that five minutes is the tough part.

[acmejack]

7. Wimp factor seven.

[Greyhound]

15. How do you figure that getting the TV time is tough.

I see several Democratic "leaders" every week, spouting useless BS while ignoring the issues, on the TV. We have the microphone, we just don't use it.

[KittyWampus]

18. Those leaders are INVITED by the mediawhores because they know

they're spineless DINO's.

It really is that simple.

[Greyhound]

20. This is true and the solution is simple. If the usual suspects aren't

willing to play to us, they should get a "strong suggestion" to refuse the invitation. Eventually the invites will go a Democrat that will play the game the way the re:puke:s do, stick to the talking point regardless of the question, just ignore it and make the point. If pressed for an answer, repeat the same point as many times as they can, every show, every time.
The media whores must have a Democrat on the show to lend an air of objectivity, if the Democrats refuse to play except, on their terms, the shows producers and front men are really screwed. All it takes is unity.

[mattclearing]

19. You see Lieberman and Biden on TV all the time.

Where is Boxer? Feingold?

Hell, you barely even see Kerry or Clinton on.

You know why? Because they destroy conservative commentators when they go live.

I saw Kerry make a mockery of Katie Couric last month.

Feingold tore someone apart yesterday.

Every time they put them on, they destroy the myth.

Dean was great on the Today show talking about Abramoff.

That's why they keep throwin up Lieberman and Biden...because they play softball.

[IsItJustMe]

3. Hell, they're polititions, what do expect? Courage

These guys are afraid of their own shadow. They don't do much of anything unless they have a 100% guarentee.

God forbid if they took a stand on anything. We all cave to some degree to get by from day to day. But I could never bring myself down as low as they go. And even if this stratagy would work, What would be the ultimate result.

[NoAmericanTaliban]

4. I agree - He wimped out

Everytime the dems look like they got their act together & are demonstrating strenght they wimp out, which is why they aren't gaining on the GOP as they should. The right wing bastards are self-destrucing in front of our eyes & the Dems aren't taking advantage of it. Hit the GOP while they are down & keep hitting. If it were reversed you can bet that the GOP would have asked for a censor vote. Oh thats right - they all ready did with Clinton & their stock went up after that.

Reid showed some balls a few months ago, but wimped out on this one. Maybe they are afraid of some backlash.

[Patchuli]

5. They'd best fear backlash from voters

and grow a spine.

[ewagner]

6. Agree with Bryant

If the vote had gone down yesterday it would have been a page three headline for one day...

now

We have time to define the issue on OUR TERMS

We have time to keep it in the headlines for another couple of days

We have time to make the rest of the public more aware of the issues at stake and defeat the "soft on defense" meme of the Republcians....(make them look ridiculous_

[KoKo]

11. Agree..... and as much as I don't like Reid, he did the SMART thing on

this. Frist was pushing to have a vote last night which the Repugs could have carried on about how they won ..plus many Dems would have voted with them...like Joementum and the other DINO's and it would have been talk show fodder to trash the Dems. Reid managed to pull a maneuver and cause Frist to back down. Frist tried again to get a vote for the next day..today, and he failed on that.

In this case Reid was good. But, maybe someone like Byrd was helping him in the background. Byrd knows the parliamentary tricks.

[IsItJustMe]

8. It seems to me that the Repukes were looking forward to the vote. I heard

a couple of right wing news programs yesterday (Joe Scarborough, Carle Tuckerson) and they were calling Feingold a terreist and said this would rally the Repuke base. How dare he in a time of war and all that other BS.

They are probably right on this point, but people are finally beginning to see the light and I don't know if all of these calls to false patriotism will work like it use to.

[mb7588a]

10. What if it's that he wants time to debate it?

Everyone seems to miss that tidbit.

[madfloridian]

13. You are wrong. Thom Hartmann just covered this on radio. Hearings.

They do not want to censure without having hearings. The GOP does NOT want hearings at all.

Reid is handling this well.

[Clarkie1]

14. I agree. Hearings first, then censure. Feingold was premature. n/t

[madfloridian]

17. Feingold was right. Good way to call attention to getting hearings.

Feingold was correct. The people who make a difference always stand up ahead of time. This is a good way to get the attention that hearings need to be held.

[Clarkie1]

21. I agree there is a benefit in that it gave attention to the issue.

I'm not saying that Feingold was wrong, but I'm also saying it would be premature to call for a censure vote before the hearings.

Once the hearings are done, our position will be stronger for censure.

[Greyhound]

16. He specifically mystifies me. He fought the actual mafia, and won,

in Nevada. There were threats and actual attempts on his life, but he stood up and, in the end, defeated them. How can a guy like that turn into what he appears to be? :wtf: