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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 12:16 PM
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The 157mpg car is here.

German Loremo AG will introduce their ultra Efficient Car at the Motor Show 2006 (site) in Geneva next week.

The car start-up developed a light-weight passenger car with outstanding aerodynamics. The Loremo LS is powered by a 2 cylinder Turbo Diesel engine with 20 hp and 160km/h top speed. The amazing thing is that the Loremo only needs 1.5l per 100km. This is approx. 157MPG!
The Toyota Prius hybrid has only 55MPG (combined city and highway).
With one tank (20l) you could drive 1,300km.


http://www.i4u.com/article5165.html
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 12:18 PM
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1. 20 hp? Good luck merging onto the expressway!
Edited on Tue Mar-07-06 12:19 PM by BlueEyedSon
Motor scooters get good mileage to, IIRC.....
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 12:24 PM
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6. Heck, some lawn tractors have more than that. But the turbo should
help. And only $13,000! I wonder if one could burn MacDonald's french fry oil in it? Proly negate the warranty.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 12:29 PM
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12. it claims 0-100 km/hr in 20 seconds
that's not too slow (I bet my old subaru wagon does 14 seconds these days or so) still, the 2 cylinder diesel scares me a bit.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 12:32 PM
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18. Maybe with Kate Moss driving and no other passenger or cargo
:evilgrin:
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 12:34 PM
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21. don't forget the 25 knot tailwind!
that would help.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 01:27 PM
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34. How? By Dropping It Out Of A Helicopter?
The Professor
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 12:32 PM
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19. Yeah, and my 9hp scooter, with the manual four speed
Tops out at 60 mph. Sure, at a curb weight of 263 pounds, and with the normal speed of traffic running at 70 mph and above, I'm not going to take my scooter out on the highway. But I do just fine on the two lane blacktops out in the country, and can keep up with traffic easily. Oh, and I get aprox 100 mpg with it too.

Don't underestimate the power and speed that a small engine can generate. I'm sure that with a 20hp engine, this car does just fine. Besides, things like start up speed and merging speed are as equally influenced, if not more so, by the quality of the transmission. Like I said earlier, I've got a 9hp scooter with a four speed manual tranny. It picks up off the line as fast or faster that the much bigger crotch rockets and Harleys.
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nickinSTL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 12:20 PM
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uh, 20hp?
I hope that it does better than that sounds, because virtually no one will buy a car with 20hp regardless of the fuel cost savings.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 12:26 PM
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8. yeah, I have trouble believing that a 20hp engine
Edited on Tue Mar-07-06 12:28 PM by northzax
can get a car carrying a human being to 168 km/hr. and it only weighs 450 kg? empty? hell, I weigh 100kg.
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GreenCommie Donating Member (320 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 12:31 PM
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15. Well...
If you don't like it, you could always upgrade to the 50 HP model.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 12:34 PM
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20. I still want to know what kind of weight was in the car
when they did the acceleration and speed testing. those weight limitations, carrying a passenger is going to change your experience a whoolehell of a lot.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 12:40 PM
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25. Let's just say you wouldn't want to get rear ended by a large SUV
going 70 mph as you were trying to get up to speed in the acceleration lane. Plan accordingly.
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GreenCommie Donating Member (320 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 12:57 PM
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32. Me too
With that little weight, it seems every pound would make a difference. I wonder how much fuel efficiency would decrease and acceleration time increase with four persons inside.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 12:40 PM
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24. My 9hp scooter cranks to 60 mph just fine
And with a combined weight of myself and scooter, we're a little over 500 pounds curb weight. A good tranny will pull you off the line at a fine speed.

I have absolutely no problem believing that this car will function well, and at the speed and pickup as promised.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 12:45 PM
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26. right, you havea 500 pound curb weight
this thing has a 450 kilo + a couple of hundred kilos for passengers. sure, it's all about the gear ratios, but let's not forget that it is rare to have a car that actually can do what the spec sheet says, since those are under ideal conditions.
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TAPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 12:20 PM
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2. Sweet!
Great price and looks pretty cool too! :headbang:
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slaveplanet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 12:20 PM
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3. good job
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 12:20 PM
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4. 20 HP? Typo?
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 12:21 PM
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5. How big is the tank?
Wow! With a 12 gallon tank, that could give me 3 months without a fillup!!
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 12:27 PM
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10. 20 liter tank - a little over 5 gallons.
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genie_weenie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 12:26 PM
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7. Is this model based on the car Momamar Gaddafi invented?
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 12:30 PM
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14. Cool! That's still 4-6 weeks
with the ave miles I drive.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 12:27 PM
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9. Kind of sporty little car as well for $13,000
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BushOut06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 12:29 PM
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11. Does it use the oscillation overthruster?
Anyone who gets this is a true friend of mine :)
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 12:31 PM
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17. look, Buckaroo
that shit don't work, you hear? Didn't work when the Professor stole it and threw it into a Delorean (remember how much power was needed for that thing? hmm? not very efficient.)
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 12:55 PM
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31. Laugh while you can, monkey boy.
:evilgrin:
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 12:30 PM
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13. Everyone's commenting on 20HP. I'd be more stunned to hear they
Edited on Tue Mar-07-06 12:30 PM by DS1
were actually planning on selling it in the US. The Auto industry would come up with some new crash test it could never pass, or minimum passenger car weight requirement, or SOMETHING that would kill it before it ever hit the shores.

Besides, we're not ready for it yet as a culture. Some of you might be, but as others have pointed out, you'll probably end up smashed into your steering wheel within a week of purchase by some SUV that "thought'd you'd be going faster by now" as you merge onto the highway.
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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 12:38 PM
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gah
Edited on Tue Mar-07-06 12:38 PM by missb
itchy trigger finger this morning.
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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 12:38 PM
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22. Well, shit. Compare 20 hp to 270hp.
How the fuck can you even get beyond that?

20 fucking hp?
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 12:38 PM
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23. Sure 20HP. Why are you in such a rush all the time?
:shrug:
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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 12:47 PM
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29. Because I like guzzling gas?
:shrug: I dunno. I just cannot imagine trying to go up the hill in a car that can only muster 20 hp.

It would take me like an hour to go half of a mile.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 12:47 PM
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28. well ,as madhound points out above
it's about power on the floor, not power generated by the engine. I don't really care about the power generated by the engine, what's important is how fast can it spin the wheels of the car when they're on the ground?
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 12:31 PM
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16. Call me if they figure out how to give it 200 h.p.
I need speed (at least a little bit) and 20 h.p. won't get it. Flame away if you must.

You can make a washing machine go 100 mph if you put enough gears on it and give it enough time.

Bake
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 12:46 PM
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27. per the article:
they plan to put a 50 hp engine that goes 220 km/hr for the german autobahn.

plus, it weighs less than 1000 lbs (990 to bee precise). it might be quicker than one would first believe.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 12:50 PM
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30. hmm, most 200hp sedans weight in excess of 3000 pounds
this is one third of that, so it's comparable to a Honda Accord in power-to-weight. With aerodynamics suited for its application, I can't see why a 50HP version, that gets even half the mileage wouldn't work.

Cool stuff, I'd get one. If an entire town could be convinced to buy one with tax incentives, they'd only need one gas station, that was open during normal business hours.
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 01:21 PM
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33. HP is misleading when it comes to diesel engines - torque is a
more accurate figure to represent the pulling power of the engine. Diesel engine torque numbers are always much higher than the HP numbers, while the numbers are about equal for gas engines. Still, the torque wouldn't be too high when the HP is only 20.
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