" Bush is TOO liberal for me"

[serryjw]

A female,about 45, said this to me while I was petitioning in Downtown Denver today. What does this mean? HOW can someone be MORE conservative than Bush/Chaney? What do they believe? Whom that is alive represents this political ideology?

[Skidmore]

1. Should have asked her who would satisfy her definition

of just right? Would be good to know this.

[lvx35]

24. Yeah, ya never know.

I've heard classic conservatives make that argument, and sometimes its entertaining. Like complaining that Bush has spent $200,000,000,000 "liberating" the people of Iraq, and this being basically a huge welfare operation on foreigners while our own poor starve.

[_testify_]

2. David Duke? n/t

[benburch]

9. Great minds think alike...

:)

[BushOut06]

3. I've heard this before also

They want full military patrols on the borders and protesters thrown in jail (for aiding & abetting the enemy). Bush isn't doing it fast enough for them.

[hfojvt]

20. well I used to confound people

by saying that Clinton was too conservative for me. I still think that makes sense objectively, whereas Bush is further right than any of the last 3 Republican presidents and fully enabled by not having a more liberal Congress to force him to compromise.

[serryjw]

36. Clinton was NOT liberal

enough fo me either. I was a DK delegate for 2004

[wryter2000]

4. I know one like that

Only on e-mail, so maybe he's shitting us. But he claims that carpet bombing is a very effective tool for peace. The woman you spoke to probably wants Bush to nuke the whole Middle East.

[Warpy]

10. That's what the fools who say that to me really want

Death and destruction to anyone who isn't a white male Stupid supporter although maybe they'll let enough doormat women live to provide breeding stock.

These people are sick, twisted inside and out with hatred. Pity them but fear them.

[deadparrot]

5. Fred Phelps?

:shrug:

[ProfessorGAC]

6. Well, I Can Understand Her Feelings

He's too STUPID for me!
The Professor

[FreedomAngel82]

Uhh

my head just exploded.

[hwmnbn]

22. Yours too?!?...

:banghead: :nuke: :banghead:



:hi:

[Viva_La_Revolution]

7. NeoCon is fairly new term. Straus's followers used to be called

NeoLiberals. I really hope that's what that lady meant, otherwise :scared: !!

[serryjw]

35. Two great definitions of

Neoconservative v Neoliberal. Let me know if you agree!
http://www.answers.com/neoconservative&r=67
http://www.answers.com/neoliberal&r=67

[Viva_La_Revolution]

42. so much to absorb there!

They seem to fit both categories well. How bout we just call them Criminal Traitors and be done with it? :)

[serryjw]

45. RFLOL!

There are differences, however subtle. Print it our and read them. I'm still doing that. Want to see which Bushit is.

[fujiyama]

53. Neocon is a new word

and at times, an overused word.

The neocon movement actually has an intellectual basis, as twisted as it may be.

The majority that support repuke policies, especially those with freeper tendancies are a mix. Many are dead set against immigration, don't give a shit about Democracy in the middle east (and don't even agree with Bush's talk about freedom) and would rather just nuke the damn region. Their ideaology rests on little if any thought. It is simply reactionary and ignorant, often times giving way to clear racism and xenophobia as well. They rant about Bush hosting Saudi royals at his ranch but keep quiet because he throws them bones like Alito and gay marriage amendments. A few bitch and moan about "nation building" as well...but they also swallowed the Saddam=responsible for 9/11 myth.

When I think of neo cons I think of Wolfowitz, Kristol, Pearl, Rumsfeld, Cheney, etc... These people are not brilliant, but they have a clear ambition and world view and plan to fully exploit their power. The people that vote to enable their policies are simply tools and nothing else (ie the religious right). It's fascinating, because it's actually a convergance of various interests. In one set, I think you have the "true believers" like Wolfowitz, who I believe was completely deluded by Chalabi's claims of roses and candy being thrown at soldiers. I believe this is also the crowd very close to Likud and the likes of Netanyahu. On the other hand, you have the Cheney/Rumsfeld crowd who really were in it to mainly enrich themselves and their corporate cronies, mainly in the energy sector. They are about as cynical as they come.

[benburch]

8. David Duke?

That is the only one I can imagine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Duke

[rox63]

11. A former friend of mine

who has become a raving religious-right looney (this is why she a FORMER friend) told me the same thing during the 2004 campaign. She said she was going to write in James Dobson for president. :puke: :puke: :puke:

[serryjw]

25. Fred Phelps and James Dodson are just

religious loonies and opposed to Gay anything( In the name of the damn bible), But she LOOKED NORMAL !!I can even accept (:puke:) their prejudices against blacks BUT bombing the ME to get rid of an entire race is nothing short of what Hitler tried to do. When I was finished today, someone who is equally as crazy( we have had screaming fights in the middle of a supermarket!) said that all liberals should be locked up in detention camps( he also think Iran has NUKES!)........God has one hell of a sense of human. FREE will/FREE speech is sometimes a tough thing to swallow.

[Initech]

12. Anyone who thinks Bush is a liberal is a huge, huge idiot

[Caution]

13. Bush isnt really a conservative

He's a straight up corporatist and classist.

[never_get_over_it]

48. THANK YOU

this is exactly right and I would add he isn't a Christian either...he is however an elitist, greedy, racist, murderous rat bastard.

[Jokerman]

14. She may not know what a "liberal" really is.

The media has trained her to believe the liberal=bad and conservative=good. If she recognizes that shrub is destroying the country then her carefully washed brain tells her that he must be a liberal.

[Hawkeye-X]

15. Send her to Ft. Logan Mental Health Center immediately.

...after calling the police.

She's obviously a fruitcake.

What are you petitioning in Downtown Denver? :)

[serryjw]

38. State Petition

to allocate 65% of our state K-12 education fund to classroom instruction v administrative costs...WE are 48th in the country in allocation

[deutsey]

16. Some conservatives are pissed that he has increased government

(or parts of it anyway) instead of dismanteling it.

[NewJeffCT]

46. I've heard that reason given, too

bigger government, lack of fiscal restraint, not forcing the nuclear option on his regressive judges...

[fujiyama]

55. Yeah

but those are usually fiscal conservatives with some discernable ideaology.

The people the OP is talking about are just reactionary, religious fanatics - basically your average "nuke the middle east, kick out all furriners", freeper or "Moran" man.

[EFerrari]

17. Maybe she meant "libertine" ? Bush is no conservative.

any more than he is a devout Christian. That lady was half right because he's not a liberal either.

He's a criminal.

[Neshanic]

18. She said, as she zipped the mouth opening to her space suit closed.

[hwmnbn]

19. I just was on another forum....

and the same line was thrown out.

Heck, if there ever was a true conservative, you know, one that was pro-constitution, pro-liberty, pro-civil liberties, pro-fiscal conservative, etc....I would vote for that person in a second....Bush is more liberal then most democrats!

I pressed the poster to explain and he couldn't. I didn't let up and he's just sloughing it off. It sounds like some talking point misdirection. This guy is normally left wing, maybe he got some bad weed or something. I won't give up trying to drag out an explanation or a recantation.

WTF is going on in this planet?

[Just Me]

21. How are they "conservative"? They spend like gambling addicts,...

,...expand "big brother", shift the wealth to the wealthy, open our borders to cheap labor for the benefit of corporations, wage an aggressive rather than defensive war, spend hundreds of billions of our treasure on 'spreading democracy', abandon our vets, FORCE the populace to burden the power of a few.

None of the above is "conservative". The foregoing describes NEO-consters - global imperialists of the 21C.

[GreenPartyVoter]

23. 1) Big spender 2) 'Immigrant-friendly' 3) Promised big social plans for

rebuilding the Gulf 4) Not an isolationist.

Basically, this is what I hear from Repubs who would qualify as paleocons.

[EstimatedProphet]

26. What does she want? Slaves? People kept waiting for her to torture them?

How do you get more conservative than Bush without physically murdering people? at least in the minds of Freepers who equate conservate and goodness with dead foreigners and subservient "mud people".

[tjwash]

27. Oh hell yeah, I can name that tune in one note....

...LOONEYTARIAN! That unique meld of a selfish, repugnant personality coupled with such extreme Right-wing bullshit, that they often refer to people such as Rush Limbaugh and Bill Oreilly as "fucking liberals".

And yes, I knew a couple of idiots that actually renounced the Republican party became Libertarians because GWB was not conservative enough for them.

[Yollam]

28. Probably in terms of his profligate spending.

Sure, he has slashed some crucial programs for the poor, but he has allowed a lot of entitlement programs to grow much more than they ever did under Clinton.

Of course it all pales compared to the amount he is squandering on the military and the war...


The thing these idiots don't understand is that a lot of these programs for the poor - like school lunch programs, for instance, cost only a tiny fraction of what the military, or big entitlements like medicare cost. So they tend to support slashing them because they think the biggest items in the budget or foreign aid.

I think I read recently that we could pay for thee school lunch program for a year for what we spend on the Iraq occupation in only a few days.

[Book Lover]

29. She may be an old-fashioned conservative

who thinks that the ancient and hardly-adhered to "Republican" platform of fiscal responsibility and non-interference in foreign affairs ought to be a restraint on a Republican office-holder. Or, she could be a whacked-out freak who thinks Bush isn't shoving gays into ovens fast enough to suit her.

[jackster]

30. well in the traditional sense,

Bush is NOT conservative

idiot conservatives therefore automatically assume he's liberal

did they all run away when God was giving out reasoning skills?

[ThoughtCriminal]

31. It's a way distance ideology from failure

NOw that his popularity has crashed to Nixon-like territory, claiming that Bush failed becasue he was not "Conservative enough" is a way for RW-nuts to try avoiding getting blamed him.

The other new line I'm seeing along these lines, is that former Bush worshippers are now claiming that they don't like him, but that he was still better than Kerry...

[serryjw]

41. In the last year

I have heard the 2nd one many times:eyes:....I ALSO heard ( MY FAVORITE) that he couldn't vote for Kerry because he didn't TRUST:crazy: what Kerry was saying about his military record!!!!!!!!:spank:


This is WHAT you get when you embrace freedom of speech :nuke:

[sandnsea]

49. They're all corrupt

is mostly what I'm hearing these days.

But my favorite in 2004 was "Kerry isn't going to be able to fix anything anyway".
:banghead:

[serryjw]

52. Yes, let me add

It doesn't matter, they are all corrupt"

The problem is they are right a good deal of the time. Doing NOTHING is as bad as doing bad. In Colorado Springs a few years ago they voted in a bond issue for new schools and voted down a bond issue for new jails. Isn't it amazing how the jail got built and NOT the schools?

The thugs are not going to kill this country but 'left' apathy will. The 40% that does not vote comes from the left

[fujiyama]

57. "They're all corrupt"

It's a very clever way for parties in power to paint the situation whenever they are either in trouble or guilty themselves.

In the case of the GOP, they've been using that line for years, and it's been very effective. They can say "all politicians are corrupt", and the looting and stealing are secondary because they'll still keep you safe ('bomb them A-rabs') and save your Christian way of life ('damn f@gs can't get married').

[never_get_over_it]

50. Couldn't trust what Kerry was saying about his military record

that has got to be one of the most FREAKING STUPID things I have ever heard. even if Kerry was lying his ass off about his military record - HELLO AT LEAST HE HAD A MILITARY RECORD.... whoever said this please get them some help - freaks freaks freaks freaks freaks

[serryjw]

54. RFLOL!

:headbang: :spank: :headbang: :spank: :headbang: :spank:

You have to admit; the shit that comes out of their mouths are funny. There is no way to respond to them.

[sandnsea]

47. Ding

That's exactly what's going on. They don't like what Bush is doing, but can't stand with the Democrats either. We still have alot of work to do to correct 25 years of lies and reassure voters Democrts have not been the source of the world's woes.

[thereismore]

32. I know one like that: he believes that Clinton disgraced the US by

withdrawing from Somalia. He thinks the middle east (Arabic part) should be destroyed and nuked if necessary.

[Nederland]

33. Fiscally Liberal?

I know an awful lot of fiscal conservatives that really don't like what has happened to the federal deficit under Bush.

[Rocknrule]

34. If he doesn't support slavery

he's too liberal
:puke:

[MrSlayer]

37. They don't understand the difference between a conservative and a Neo-con.

A lot of people don't.

[sheelz]

39. Ewww! Are you talking to Ann Coulter?

[FormerRepublican]

40. What's to the right of a Nazi? Something new and disgusting, must be.

:shrug:

[bleedingheart]

43. she doesn't go to Boulder very often I take it....she would probably

be unable to take it...

[SammyWinstonJack]

44. ROFL! So she listens to Sean Insanity and Pigboy Limpballs?

Figures! :eyes: Bush liberal? OMG! Pure insanity to believe that! What the hell has Pinhead** done that even remotely resembles being liberal, let alone too liberal? :rofl: Wait, he is very liberal with regard to cutting taxes for the wealthiest among us, I'll give her that. Is this woman among that group? :evilgrin:

[Serenades]

51. haahahahahahahha

I had a guy tell me that Rush Limbaugh was too liberal for him. I vomited upon his shoes right in that instant and walked away.

[Cocoa]

56. immigration probably

Bush does get attacked from the right, hard as it is to believe. Witness Harriet Miers.