Good news! The skinhead from the gay bar attack was shot and died.

[benburch]

Saves us millions of dollars. :)

Too bad he killed a woman and a small town cop in the process. :(

[Lefty48197]

1. Why don't we just shoot skinheads BEFORE they go on killing sprees?

Is it really that f*cking hard to figure out which nuts are going to murder a bunch of people?

[Catch22Dem]

3. Yeah, no shit.

[jonnyblitz]

10. you DO realize not all skinheads are racist i hope,

before you go around shooting everybody. :eyes:

[benburch]

11. Well, of course...

The ones with the swastikas tatooed on their knuckles, though...

[jonnyblitz]

29. i am sure some people think they are all racist..

there are "redskins' who are far left, there are S.H.A.R.P's (skinheads against racial prejudice) and there are even "Queerskins", of which a few are my friends. just sayin...:shrug:

[Rose Siding]

Because that would make us a lawless mob?

And yes, it's not just hard, but impossible to preemptively determine which messed up person will murder, or turn themselves around instead.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

17. Um, that "due process" thingy....

Are you saying it applies only to people we don't find disgusting? Sorry, but the nasty POS skinhead has a right to due process, the presumption of innocence and a fair trial just like everybody else.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

26. Umm because there's no way to prove that someone's gonna do this?

It'd be like shrubco assassinating terror "suspects" in the U.S.:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11180519/site/newsweek/

[LisaL]

27. He was shot in a shoot out with the police. He had killed

a police man. Still not justified shooting? I guess the police didn't do everything they could have to save his life, they should have just let him to murder the rest of them?

[salvorhardin]

35. Damn right!

Because killing everybody that we're afraid of or don't understand makes it all better.

Now that's a winning plank for the Democrats.

[LisaL]

43. Well, i think it's reasonable to be afraid of someone who is

trying to shoot you to death. But hey, maybe it's just me. I suppose the police should have read to him from a book or something, even though he was shooting at them.

[Catch22Dem]

2. Yeah, I read that this morning.

Can't say I feel the least bit bad about it.

[no_hypocrisy]

4. It's a shame that it had to happen in the first place.

Vigilante justice is being promoted as an activist citzenry.

[Mz Pip]

5. I didn't feel bad either.

At least he's out of the gene pool.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[benburch]

6. Racial purity...

but not in the way he intended...

[Stephanie]

7. That's not good news, ben.

Rule of law, trial by jury, innocent until proven guilty, truth and justice. You can't set aside basic rights and beliefs just because the guy is reprehensible.

[benburch]

9. Hey, *he* decided to shoot it out with the cops after killing one.

When you do that, you ought to expect to go down.

[johnnie]

13. The kid started his trial when he opened fire on armed cops

I don't like to see anyone killed, but this guy was an asshole and a coward.

[Mz Pip]

18. There isn't anything

to suggest that the cops didn't follow the rule of law in trying to bring him to a trial by jury.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[soothsayer]

8. Wow, this thread could fit right in on the freeper's board.

Am I in an alternate universe?

[Puglover]

19. Bullshit....I'm totally anti death penalty however

when you've killed two people and engage in a shoot out with police your chances of due process are poor at best. The whole situation is completely sad.

[joeybee12]

22. That's exactly the way I feel...

...geesh. God have mercy on us all! Hey, and I ain't even religious!

[hiley]

23. yes

[donco6]

12. Ben, jeez . . .

I've read the articles about him. And not that I have a whole lot of sympathy, but it sounds more like he had some kinda psychotic break than anything.

You just tryin' to stir up trouble missy?

[benburch]

21. I'm always stirring up trouble.

But mad dogs need to be taken out. If you can do it peacefully, fine, otherwise, aim well.

[smirkymonkey]

32. Unless of course they are violent Muslim fanatics, then it's

wrong. They should be met with kindness and understanding.

[FormerDittoHead]

14. Rush Limbaugh loses another listener! n/t

[hiley]

15. This is appalling &^ grotesque thread

shame

[ThatsMyBarack]

16. Some skinheads are actually gay....

....and I think they're kinda cute that way. :silly:

[Blue-Jay]

20. Good lord, that's a reprehensible attitude.

Everything about your position is entirely wrong.

And creepy.

[Fox Mulder]

24. How is it good news when someone dies?

No one deserves to die...not matter how horrible they are.

[benburch]

30. When you shoot it out with cops...

after killing several people including a cop...

then yes, you do deserve to die.

Now, should you live through it, I am against the death penalty, but due process has no place in a shootout. Cops have to shoot to kill.

[SmokingJacket]

25. Great, now he's a martyr.

I'd rather a trial, verdict, unromantic prison sentence.

[Puglover]

31. Totally agree however

this case is vastly different from the old guy with the pocketknife in New Orleans who the police (IMO) murdered. This guy had already killed and way trying to kill the police. I think he was planning on the outcome. Which again is horribly sad.

[LisaL]

38. So, when he was shooting at police men, killing one, I might add,

they should have worried about him going to trial? He had died in a shoot out. How on Earth that is not justified murder? He had murdered one police man already.
Geez.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

28. It is so sad that so many people were killed

One has to wonder what caused this young man to become so filled with hatred. What was his home life like? Was he abusing mind-altering drugs like speed? One has to wonder if anyone will take the time to answer these questions. Some might say why bother? My answer is, so that maybe another soul won't be lost in this living hell of hatred, but will be rescued from an abusive home or from taking drugs that change your personality.

I do not find satisfaction or happiness from these events, and I wish the outcome had been different. Far better if the young man had been arrested and taken to trial, convicted and sent to prison, for in jail he would have had a chance (which he could choose to take) of changing his attitude so that he could eventually obtain peace. Now that he is dead, that chance is gone.

[Punkingal]

42. Thank you....

Well said.

[hlthe2b]

33. I'd be lying if I said this was not my first thought....

but I'm not particularly proud for thinking it. 'Too easy for us to step into the RW mindset and that scares me.....:shrug:

[demgurl]

34. We are a part of one.

So many people would like to shoot all Dems but that would not make it right.

Whether we realize it, we are all connected. That person could have been someone's husband, son or brother. That one death had more impact than any of us will ever realize. Death and shootings are not the answer. Neither is anger or hate.

[Puglover]

37. Agreed Demgurl

and I take no joy at things like this. But what would have the police do in this situation? The guy was TRYING TO KILL THEM.

[benburch]

39. He should have thought of that before he killed all those people.

And then shot it out rather than surrendering.

[LisaL]

40. When someone points a gun at you, you can tell them that

death and shooting are not the answer.
No one is stopping you.

[Coyote_Bandit]

36. "Hate is not a family value"

This was a tragedy.

[neverevergivein]

41. Are we better off without him? Yes. Then Ben is right n/t

[Lex]

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It's getting awfully flamey in this thread.

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